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11-29-2007, 01:02 PM #61
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11-29-2007, 01:03 PM #62
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If Dr. Johnsbod doesn't mind me stepping in here, I believe genetics plays a minor role in musical ability. Some people are just not meant to be playing a certain instrument just as some are not necessarily good players (relatively speaking) but understand theory on a level that I can't even fathom. I had a friend who was AMAZING at trombone. Literally, in the next few years, his name will be all over. He is on a full ride at CalArts. He practiced about 30 minutes a day. He constantly smoked pot and used to mix coke, x and speed before orchestral performances (in which he always had solos). He was into the avante garde stuff and just blew every one in the school out of the water. Some argued that he was better than the grammy-winning trombone professor. Back on topic, to an extent, yes, genetics plays a part.
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11-29-2007, 01:05 PM #63
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Hate is a powerful word; I, in turn, am a powerful man, borne from it. Your fear is my strength, your insecurity, my pride. All i have ever known is loathing... You toss aside my teachings to preach of love, which you know nothing of?! I know love... Let me show you the way. Hate... Hate was my first love.
The demons are sleepless and immaterial, death is at hand, and I am weak. Lord, help me; do not let Thy creature perish, for Thou carest for me in my misery.
St. Peter of Damascus
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11-29-2007, 01:06 PM #64
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11-29-2007, 02:27 PM #67
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11-29-2007, 03:03 PM #68
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Hate is a powerful word; I, in turn, am a powerful man, borne from it. Your fear is my strength, your insecurity, my pride. All i have ever known is loathing... You toss aside my teachings to preach of love, which you know nothing of?! I know love... Let me show you the way. Hate... Hate was my first love.
The demons are sleepless and immaterial, death is at hand, and I am weak. Lord, help me; do not let Thy creature perish, for Thou carest for me in my misery.
St. Peter of Damascus
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11-29-2007, 04:50 PM #69
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11-29-2007, 05:29 PM #70
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Hate is a powerful word; I, in turn, am a powerful man, borne from it. Your fear is my strength, your insecurity, my pride. All i have ever known is loathing... You toss aside my teachings to preach of love, which you know nothing of?! I know love... Let me show you the way. Hate... Hate was my first love.
The demons are sleepless and immaterial, death is at hand, and I am weak. Lord, help me; do not let Thy creature perish, for Thou carest for me in my misery.
St. Peter of Damascus
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11-29-2007, 05:53 PM #71
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11-29-2007, 06:20 PM #72
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Hate is a powerful word; I, in turn, am a powerful man, borne from it. Your fear is my strength, your insecurity, my pride. All i have ever known is loathing... You toss aside my teachings to preach of love, which you know nothing of?! I know love... Let me show you the way. Hate... Hate was my first love.
The demons are sleepless and immaterial, death is at hand, and I am weak. Lord, help me; do not let Thy creature perish, for Thou carest for me in my misery.
St. Peter of Damascus
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11-29-2007, 09:14 PM #73
Hey guys, quick question. I've played guitar for about two years now and would say I am OK hand skill wise at this point. I don't know how to read music, I know some basic scales, but not much more, usually I just play tabs. I jam with friends who are pretty good musicians so I'd really like to learn more.
Where would you all suggest I start? Learning more scales, modes, learning how to read music? I really have no idea...
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11-30-2007, 03:10 AM #74
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Admittedly I don't know as much as Johnsbod and Tromboner, but I will try my hardest still to answer any questions that I can and I rest assured with the idea that almost all of the questions asked by the people on this forum will fit into what I know. Nonetheless, here goes!
Originally Posted by tikitariki
First thing you need to understand is that things you learn about harmony and all that in music theory are not rules, but are in fact guidelines. Just because your fourth grade theory book tells you not to employ the use of parallel fifths in four part harmony doesn't mean you're not allowed to. One very famous composer (his name has slipped my mind) was renowned for his excessive use of parallel fifths in his harmony. Did he ever get "fired" from composition??
In my experience, the knowledge I gained from understanding music theory has actually helped me write more unique music and also allowed me to appreciate moreso music that isn't based on typical IV-V-vi or IV-V-I progressions !
Originally Posted by tikitariki
First method is to study the instruments themselves or buy certain books (also, studying up to grade 5 AMEB [Australian] music theory will require you to know the range for most orchestral instruments) to learn their general range.
Second method is to use Sibelius, haha. The noteheads will appear blue if you are in the instruments range and red if you exceed it, lol!
Originally Posted by tikitariki
Please, ask as many questions as you would like! I have a lot of time on my hands, haha.
Originally Posted by Hesh
I myself believe to have been gifted with innate talent for piano and guitar playing, considering that in under a year I was able to get myself from grade 4 standard to A.mus standard (approximately the equivalent of grade 10) with maybe 30 minutes of actual practice every two days (but maybe an hour per day of general piano playing). Also after picking up the guitar for only one year I was at a standard that certain friends had not yet reached in several several years (but this could be due to my dexterity achieved from piano playing). My mother and my mother's mother and my father's mother and my great great great etc grandmothers have all been exceptional piano players and thusly I have been exposed to the instrument since before I was born!
Plus, I ain't the best at sports so I gotta be good at something, ..
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Originally Posted by Self Discipline
That said, I will gladly post up some MIDI interpretations of compositions of mine but must admit that I am rather self conscious around intellects such as johnsbod as my compositions are rather basic because I am too afraid to write music that is not tonal in a sense defined by pop music, haha. Nonetheless I will give it a shot sometime in the near future.
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11-30-2007, 11:34 AM #75
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11-30-2007, 12:22 PM #76
Johns and tromboner, I don't know if it would be a lot of trouble, but could you post a comprehensive reading list of texts and workbooks for the aspiring theorist. Or if that would be too much trouble, what are some authors I should look for?
I have been trying to find materials myself, and have found some decent things, but I don't really know where to look and what texts are worth buying.To crush your enemies, drive them before you, and to listen to the lamentations of their women. This is what is good in life.
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11-30-2007, 04:42 PM #77
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Definitely the Kostka/Payne Tonal Harmony with the workbook. Secondly, in my opinion, you should learn an instrument to apply these principles to. Piano is the best, voice is the easiest but they are all fun, again, just my opinion. There is also a book on sightsinging (an important skill to everyone sa you must KNOW it to sing it) that is critical, I think the author may be Oppenheimer. Pick up those and read them front to back. If you master all the principles that are thoroughly explained in these books, you will be ahead of 99% of the population.
Hate is a powerful word; I, in turn, am a powerful man, borne from it. Your fear is my strength, your insecurity, my pride. All i have ever known is loathing... You toss aside my teachings to preach of love, which you know nothing of?! I know love... Let me show you the way. Hate... Hate was my first love.
The demons are sleepless and immaterial, death is at hand, and I am weak. Lord, help me; do not let Thy creature perish, for Thou carest for me in my misery.
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11-30-2007, 06:02 PM #78
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11-30-2007, 06:06 PM #79
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Hate is a powerful word; I, in turn, am a powerful man, borne from it. Your fear is my strength, your insecurity, my pride. All i have ever known is loathing... You toss aside my teachings to preach of love, which you know nothing of?! I know love... Let me show you the way. Hate... Hate was my first love.
The demons are sleepless and immaterial, death is at hand, and I am weak. Lord, help me; do not let Thy creature perish, for Thou carest for me in my misery.
St. Peter of Damascus
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11-30-2007, 11:15 PM #80
I started learning music theory using musictheory.net. I was having fun, especially up to the lesson of the scales. however the lessons started getting less interactive (i have a guitar btw) and was more "learning" stuff, which I didn't see much use in, but I'm sure it is very important. In short, I got bored, speed read, skipped around. Is there a way to learn music theory the fun way? I bet if I was forced to or had to write it down I would do better. :-(
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12-01-2007, 12:03 AM #81
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12-05-2007, 09:12 AM #83
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What you are talking about if really not music theory, but the fundamentals of music. That kind of information really needs to just be memorized. Key signatures tell you what the accidentals will be in a given key (keys are named after the tonic note) so that the sharps and flats do not need to be repeatedly written out before each note.
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12-07-2007, 12:50 AM #84
For you musicians - - how do you memorize tunes? Do you do it by number (II--V7-IMaj)? So you can play it any key or is it easier for you to learn it in the standard key and then just transpose in your mind when the chart is called in a different key?
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12-07-2007, 12:46 PM #85
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Hate is a powerful word; I, in turn, am a powerful man, borne from it. Your fear is my strength, your insecurity, my pride. All i have ever known is loathing... You toss aside my teachings to preach of love, which you know nothing of?! I know love... Let me show you the way. Hate... Hate was my first love.
The demons are sleepless and immaterial, death is at hand, and I am weak. Lord, help me; do not let Thy creature perish, for Thou carest for me in my misery.
St. Peter of Damascus
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12-07-2007, 02:39 PM #86
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12-08-2007, 02:22 PM #88
Yeah, this is how I do it too -- it makes it so easy....It's really nice when you're backing up a vocalist and she calls somewhere over the rainbow (again....) in C and instead of saying "what? who plays it in C?!?!" You say "any key is fine"....always in C, or E....ugh.
For sight reading, what tricks do you guys use? I skim the next few bars and start to sing them (then my brain usually kicks in). This comes in handy and works well because I usually play on a cruise ship and they're bringing in guest acts continuously....www.xccellence.com
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12-14-2007, 09:07 PM #89
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12-14-2007, 09:13 PM #90
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Hate is a powerful word; I, in turn, am a powerful man, borne from it. Your fear is my strength, your insecurity, my pride. All i have ever known is loathing... You toss aside my teachings to preach of love, which you know nothing of?! I know love... Let me show you the way. Hate... Hate was my first love.
The demons are sleepless and immaterial, death is at hand, and I am weak. Lord, help me; do not let Thy creature perish, for Thou carest for me in my misery.
St. Peter of Damascus
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