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    Can eating too much peanut butter (14+ tbsp a day) be bad for you?

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    I've been eating 2-3 tbsp of peanut butter with each of my six meals. I feel like I might be gaining fat but I'm sure it's just my mind playing tricks on me as my calorie intake even with the PB have been under control while bulking. Are there any detriments in eating so much peanut butter in one day ie, too much saturated fat? I just love it so much!
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    That's a fair bit of fat...but if it fits in with your macro's/calorie requirements then it's fine I guess...
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    i would vary your fat a bit more. 14 Tbsp is over 100 grams of fat
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    Originally Posted by kyokushin1 View Post
    That's a fair bit of fat...but if it fits in with your macro's/calorie requirements then it's fine I guess...
    Yeah here's what my diet looks like as of now. Note that prior to this, I was eating a healthy mix of almonds and peanut butter. Now it's like I'm addicted to peanut butter and I've been eating them like crazy!!! (Note that I substituted the 2.33 tbsp of peanut butter with 21 almonds before)

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    6 egg whites
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    1.75 tbsp PB
    .5 cup oatmeal
    2 tbsp raisins
    1.33 cups spinach

    Meal 2 (1:30 p.m.)
    4 oz chicken breast
    2.33 tbsp PB
    6.5 oz grapefruit

    Meal 3 Pre-workout (4:30 p.m.)
    4 oz chicken breast
    2.33 tbsp PB
    .5 cup oatmeal
    1 cup broccoli

    Meal 4 Post-workout (7:00 p.m.)
    6 oz chicken breast
    3/4 cup oatmeal
    2 tbsp raisins

    Meal 5 (9:30 p.m.)
    4 oz chicken breast
    2.33 tbsp PB
    .25 cup oatmeal
    1.5 cup broccoli

    Meal 6 (11:30 p.m.)
    4 oz chicken breast
    2.33 tbsp PB
    1 cup broccoli

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    Fat: 85g
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    are counting the fat in your carb and protein sources, and accounting for the same overlap for your other macros.
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    Originally Posted by Mr.Hombre View Post
    are counting the fat in your carb and protein sources, and accounting for the same overlap for your other macros.
    No I'm not. I figured all the other foods in my diet only have trace amounts of other macros. (IE almonds have trivial amounts of protein/carbs, chicken breasts have trivial amounts of fats and carbs), so I don't count those.
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    Originally Posted by Beansent View Post
    I've been eating 2-3 tbsp of peanut butter with each of my six meals. I feel like I might be gaining fat but I'm sure it's just my mind playing tricks on me as my calorie intake even with the PB have been under control while bulking. Are there any detriments in eating so much peanut butter in one day ie, too much saturated fat? I just love it so much!
    14 tablespoons lets see here
    thats 7 servings
    and a serving yields about 200 calories

    so ur getting 1400 calories from ur PB,
    16g of fat x 7 = 112g of fat

    are u playing in ur macros the fat u get from ur other foods and protein sources?

    does about 120-140g of fat fit ur macros? if it doesnt then i would suggest u lower it and go with some alternatives such as almonds and olive oil's to get more omega 3's and balance out ur omega 3 and omega 6 fractions.. also consider maybe getting some cheeses, or fatty meats in ur diet to make up for this.. whole eggs and milk also work well..

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    Yeah 14tbsp of PB is quite a bit of fat lol. I'd try reducing it to probably 10tbsp range max. Maybe 6-8 and add some 2% milk, beef etc to your diet as well.
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    ur eating almost 1500 calories alone in peanut buter.... lol r u just not counting it in ur daily intake.. wtf
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    Originally Posted by MattyH7688 View Post
    ur eating almost 1500 calories alone in peanut buter.... lol r u just not counting it in ur daily intake.. wtf
    and at a minimum, 20g of fat from the chx breast......
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    Originally Posted by Jkurz1 View Post
    and at a minimum, 20g of fat from the chx breast......
    Total Fat 2.5g 4%
    Saturated Fat 0.5g 3%
    Trans Fat 0g
    Polyunsaturated Fat 0g
    Monounsaturated Fat 1g
    Cholesterol 65mg 22%
    Sodium 180mg 8%
    Total Carbohydrate 0g 0%
    Dietary Fiber 0g 0%
    Sugars 0g
    Protein 23g 46%


    thats from 4oz

    since he eats about 20g of chicken that would prob yield about 15 max.. on top of that 100 or so he gets from PB alone and from his other sources of incompletes.. in other words A ****LOAD of fat

    ive read on the main site that many bodybuilders only consume aroudn 40-65 even in some of layne's articles.. how true are these??

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    right on bro......see, many people think carbs are the devil, reality is it's calories....and at 9cals/g fats add up!

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    Total Fat 2.5g 4%
    Saturated Fat 0.5g 3%
    Trans Fat 0g
    Polyunsaturated Fat 0g
    Monounsaturated Fat 1g
    Cholesterol 65mg 22%
    Sodium 180mg 8%
    Total Carbohydrate 0g 0%
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    Protein 23g 46%


    thats from 4oz

    since he eats about 20g of chicken that would prob yield about 15 max.. on top of that 100 or so he gets from PB alone and from his other sources of incompletes.. in other words A ****LOAD of fat

    ive read on the main site that many bodybuilders only consume aroudn 40-65 even in some of layne's articles.. how true are these??

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    Originally Posted by Beansent View Post
    Yeah here's what my diet looks like as of now. Note that prior to this, I was eating a healthy mix of almonds and peanut butter. Now it's like I'm addicted to peanut butter and I've been eating them like crazy!!! (Note that I substituted the 2.33 tbsp of peanut butter with 21 almonds before)

    Meal 1 (9:30-10:30 a.m.)
    6 egg whites
    1 whole egg
    1.75 tbsp PB
    .5 cup oatmeal
    2 tbsp raisins
    1.33 cups spinach

    Meal 2 (1:30 p.m.)
    4 oz chicken breast
    2.33 tbsp PB
    6.5 oz grapefruit

    Meal 3 Pre-workout (4:30 p.m.)
    4 oz chicken breast
    2.33 tbsp PB
    .5 cup oatmeal
    1 cup broccoli

    Meal 4 Post-workout (7:00 p.m.)
    6 oz chicken breast
    3/4 cup oatmeal
    2 tbsp raisins

    Meal 5 (9:30 p.m.)
    4 oz chicken breast
    2.33 tbsp PB
    .25 cup oatmeal
    1.5 cup broccoli

    Meal 6 (11:30 p.m.)
    4 oz chicken breast
    2.33 tbsp PB
    1 cup broccoli

    Macro Breakdown:
    Carbohydrates: 225g
    Protein: 189g
    Fat: 85g
    Total Calories: 2421
    I have to say that IMO that really is a horrible diet, especially for a young person (not in pre-contest mode I assume) presumably doing this for more than a few weeks. No variety, huge amounts of omega6, no omega3, not nearly enough fruit and veg. Blah.

    And of course its probably closer to 4000kcal than 2500kcal.

    EDIT: When I say 'horrible' diet, I do mean for someone looking to get fit and healthy. It is most likely still better than what many people eat. But still, I would personally think some 'junky' food in there would be actually be more healthy, simply from getting some variety.
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    Originally Posted by Jules Verne View Post
    I have to say that IMO that really is a horrible diet, especially for a young person (not in pre-contest mode I assume) presumably doing this for more than a few weeks. No variety, huge amounts of omega6, no omega3, not nearly enough fruit and veg. Blah.

    And of course its probably closer to 4000kcal than 2500kcal.
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    I usually don't use a spoon to scoop out some PB, so I don't really know, exactly, if I'm taking in a tbsp, especially since it's hard to exactly level that off and then put it all in your mouth, since some stays on the spoon, etc..

    I usually just take a butter knife, scoop some and eat it. I usually do this maybe 2 or three times in one setting, and do this maybe twice a day, is this too much?

    so i'm basically, all day long, taking about 6 or 7 tbsp of PB. I do this once for a snack and another before bed.
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    Originally Posted by Dubl10 View Post
    question:

    I usually don't use a spoon to scoop out some PB, so I don't really know, exactly, if I'm taking in a tbsp, especially since it's hard to exactly level that off and then put it all in your mouth, since some stays on the spoon, etc..

    I usually just take a butter knife, scoop some and eat it. I usually do this maybe 2 or three times in one setting, and do this maybe twice a day, is this too much?

    so i'm basically, all day long, taking about 6 or 7 tbsp of PB. I do this once for a snack and another before bed.

    no one can really tell you because we cant really tell how much is gonna be on the kinfe..

    and im curious.. is that all you have for ur snack and pre-bed if so i would suggest reading up on some pre-bed nutrition and some snack nutrition
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    Originally Posted by Dubl10 View Post
    question:

    I usually don't use a spoon to scoop out some PB, so I don't really know, exactly, if I'm taking in a tbsp, especially since it's hard to exactly level that off and then put it all in your mouth, since some stays on the spoon, etc..

    I usually just take a butter knife, scoop some and eat it. I usually do this maybe 2 or three times in one setting, and do this maybe twice a day, is this too much?

    so i'm basically, all day long, taking about 6 or 7 tbsp of PB. I do this once for a snack and another before bed.
    I had the same problem. So I took a tablespoon of peanut butter, scraped it off into a bowl and looked at it for a while. Then I spread it on a piece of toast and looked at that for a while. Once you do that, you'll be able to approximate how much a tablespoon really is when you use a knife.

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    FWIW, most of my daily fats come from a tablespoon of peanut butter, 7 walnuts, and the olive/safflower oil or olive oil and butter (1 to 1-1/2 tablespoons) I might fry my dinner in (chicken breast, or turkey, or tilapia, or salmon). Sometimes, I might put a small amount (1/2 tablespoon) of olive oil in the oil/lemon dressing I make for my dinner salad (usually spinach and tomato).

    If I've reached my fat limit for the day, it's no dressing on the salad (or just lemon, garlic, salt, and pepper), and broiled protein-source-of-choice.

    14 tablespoons of PB strikes me as way too much. If you really need that much fat in your diet, replace some with olive oil and/or fatty fish and/or nuts.
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    just out of curiosity on here.. what else do u guys do for healthy fats instead of olive oil, milk,avacaods, fatty meats, PB, and almonds?

    just curious to see ur responses
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    Originally Posted by LayzieBone085 View Post
    14 tablespoons lets see here
    thats 7 servings
    and a serving yields about 200 calories

    so ur getting 1400 calories from ur PB,
    16g of fat x 7 = 112g of fat

    are u playing in ur macros the fat u get from ur other foods and protein sources?

    does about 120-140g of fat fit ur macros? if it doesnt then i would suggest u lower it and go with some alternatives such as almonds and olive oil's to get more omega 3's and balance out ur omega 3 and omega 6 fractions.. also consider maybe getting some cheeses, or fatty meats in ur diet to make up for this.. whole eggs and milk also work well..

    just my 2 cents
    Yep, it is important to watch that omega 6 to omega 3 ratio. If you enter your diet into www.nutritiondata.com, it will tell you your omega 6 and omega 3 totals (just make your whole diet a "meal" in the pantry).
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    What if I changed my meal to this? It's just exchanging peanut butter for almonds, same amount of fat in each meal. I don't see how switching fat sources changes anything except different foods, etc. The reason why I'm taking in so much fat (which some posters above asked) is that it slows down digestion of foods, thus lowering the GI of the meal. Another reason why I eat so many fats is, coming off the Cut Diet, it seems that fats help me stay fuller longer and I'd prefer eating fats over carbs anyway. I'm eating carbs surrounding my workouts only because it gives me more energy. I'm carb-sensitive so that's another reason why I'm eating more fats. On top of that, fats lower the acidity of the meal (possible pseudoscience) so there's less likely of fat gain while I'm bulking. I feel there's just too many reasons to avoid the amount of fat intake in my diet. So, how does my diet look now since I've substituted all that PB?

    Meal 1 (9:30-10:30 a.m.)
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    15 almonds
    .5 cup oatmeal
    2 tbsp raisins
    1.33 cups spinach

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    4 oz chicken breast
    3 oz. avacadoes
    6.5 oz grapefruit

    Meal 3 Pre-workout (4:30 p.m.)
    4 oz chicken breast
    2.33 tbsp PB
    .5 cup oatmeal
    1 cup broccoli

    Meal 4 Post-workout (7:00 p.m.)
    6 oz chicken breast
    3/4 cup oatmeal
    2 tbsp raisins

    Meal 5 (9:30 p.m.)
    4 oz chicken breast
    21 almonds
    .25 cup oatmeal
    1.5 cup broccoli

    Meal 6 (11:30 p.m.)
    4 oz chicken breast
    21 almonds
    1 cup broccoli
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    Originally Posted by Beansent View Post
    What if I changed my meal to this? It's just exchanging peanut butter for almonds, same amount of fat in each meal. I don't see how switching fat sources changes anything except different foods, etc. The reason why I'm taking in so much fat (which some posters above asked) is that it slows down digestion of foods, thus lowering the GI of the meal. Another reason why I eat so many fats is, coming off the Cut Diet, it seems that fats help me stay fuller longer and I'd prefer eating fats over carbs anyway. I'm eating carbs surrounding my workouts only because it gives me more energy. I'm carb-sensitive so that's another reason why I'm eating more fats. On top of that, fats lower the acidity of the meal (possible pseudoscience) so there's less likely of fat gain while I'm bulking. I feel there's just too many reasons to avoid the amount of fat intake in my diet. So, how does my diet look now since I've substituted all that PB?

    Meal 1 (9:30-10:30 a.m.)
    6 egg whites
    1 whole egg
    15 almonds
    .5 cup oatmeal
    2 tbsp raisins
    1.33 cups spinach

    Meal 2 (1:30 p.m.)
    4 oz chicken breast
    3 oz. avacadoes
    6.5 oz grapefruit

    Meal 3 Pre-workout (4:30 p.m.)
    4 oz chicken breast
    2.33 tbsp PB
    .5 cup oatmeal
    1 cup broccoli

    Meal 4 Post-workout (7:00 p.m.)
    6 oz chicken breast
    3/4 cup oatmeal
    2 tbsp raisins

    Meal 5 (9:30 p.m.)
    4 oz chicken breast
    21 almonds
    .25 cup oatmeal
    1.5 cup broccoli

    Meal 6 (11:30 p.m.)
    4 oz chicken breast
    21 almonds
    1 cup broccoli
    thats ok, and your previous diet was fine IMO, you had enough fruits and veggies.
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    Originally Posted by Dubl10 View Post
    so i'm basically, all day long, taking about 6 or 7 tbsp of PB. I do this once for a snack and another before bed.
    I suggest not eating anything about 2-3 hours before bed time. As to your question regarding 6 or 7 tbsp of PB, it depends on how much fat you take from other sources.
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    thats a lot....1300ish cals from PB alone? And if you're being a little lenient with your "TBSPs" those could be up to 50% off..an extra 650 cals you don't want coming from fat unless your maintenance is higher than you think
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    Originally Posted by LayzieBone085 View Post
    no one can really tell you because we cant really tell how much is gonna be on the kinfe..

    and im curious.. is that all you have for ur snack and pre-bed if so i would suggest reading up on some pre-bed nutrition and some snack nutrition
    no it's not all i have, felt like just commenting on the PB.

    yeah, your right, can't really tell whats on the knife to help. I just take a nice and scoop some out, like you would with a spoon. it varies, but i would think it's a tbsp, maybe a little bit more, who knows. I don't ever feel like getting exact with PB, cause not all of it comes off the spoon and do you level it or just scoop it with the tbsp??? too much of a judgement call lol.
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    Originally Posted by NeonQwerty View Post
    I had the same problem. So I took a tablespoon of peanut butter, scraped it off into a bowl and looked at it for a while. Then I spread it on a piece of toast and looked at that for a while. Once you do that, you'll be able to approximate how much a tablespoon really is when you use a knife.

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    Originally Posted by Merkava View Post
    I suggest not eating anything about 2-3 hours before bed time. As to your question regarding 6 or 7 tbsp of PB, it depends on how much fat you take from other sources.
    yeah but isn't it good to consume something before bed, keep your body fueled through the night? keep you from getting catabolic?

    I know cottage cheese is the best, but I can't do that, eww.

    I would take some PB though, or casein protein. Shouldn't you do this or no? something slow digesting.
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    Originally Posted by LayzieBone085 View Post
    just out of curiosity on here.. what else do u guys do for healthy fats instead of olive oil, milk,avacaods, fatty meats, PB, and almonds?

    just curious to see ur responses
    my fats come from milk, oats, CC, CLA, turkey and chicken, i just bought red meat for the 1st time in 4 months so ima hit some of that up this week..you made me realize i defly didn't have enough fat in my diet.
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    Originally Posted by Dubl10 View Post
    yeah but isn't it good to consume something before bed, keep your body fueled through the night? keep you from getting catabolic?

    I know cottage cheese is the best, but I can't do that, eww.

    I would take some PB though, or casein protein. Shouldn't you do this or no? something slow digesting.
    I personally believe it's not necessary and highly overrated. I usually stop eating 2-3 hours before bedtime and can't complain about my results. Eating late at night also forces your body to use its energy on digestion. You sleep in order to recuperate from the day, so your body should be as relaxed as possible.
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