The full interview can not be made public, some things I had to leave out such as other artists in gospel who are gay, but have not made anti-gay rants. Also, a relationship with an R&B legend who, as ?Rob? said, married a ?bisexual?, famous pastor. I only wanted to focus on the relationship with McClurkin and no one else. I am presenting a story for people to make up their own minds.
Disclaimer: This is not my opinion but alleged facts brought to my attention. The facts alleged in this article are the sole expressions from the interviewee and his experiences with the subject. ClayCane.net does not have any independent corroboration of the alleged facts as stated in this article.
Tell me how you first met Donnie McClurkin.
I was at a gospel event backstage. We were introduced?I guess it was just you looked across the room, this person looked at you and you just knew there was something. This person had some type of interest because you walk in and they look at you. You look up throughout the evening and you keep seeing this person staring at you. Emails were exchanged and cell phones numbers were exchanged so that was the beginning. But, it was strictly just music, things in common that type of thing?but for some reason I felt there was an attraction. That was that.
What year was that?
Did you instantly know that it was Donnie McClurkin?
I knew that because of his prior success with the song "Stand", Oprah Winfrey used to always talk about it. "Stand" came out late like '90's so he was already starting to rise although he had a major group back in the '80's, which Kelly Price was a part of, different people. But, "Stand" was the one that sort of said, okay, let's take notice. So, I already knew who he was.
This may sound like a dumb question but what made you know he wasn't straight. Was he around other gay people? Was it just blatantly obvious? What made you know that he wasn't heterosexual?
Well, in gospel music everyone knows who messes around and who is straight. I've always known it.
It wasn?t just you knew that knew so people in that circle knew that Donnie McClurkin?
Oh yeah! A lot of people know, even some of the heavyweights. Now he's heavyweight, but some of the ones that are well known and highly regarded.
What were your first conversations like?
He'd explain how it is on the road, it's lonely. How sometimes he'd just get in his room and cry. He said, "And you're single?" It came out of nowhere, I said, "Yeah, I am." He said, "Wow, the person that would have you would be lucky." I said, "Well, I guess so, you know, I consider myself a good person." Blah, blah, blah...he said, "What do you think of me?" I said, "I think you're very talented. Handsome, you look good." He said, "You don't sound so sure." I said, "No, you do, you do."
This already doesn?t sound like the ex-gay, gay people are vultures?the Donnie McClurkin we see in the media. We're you aware that he was an "ex-gay" at this point?
I wasn't aware then. "We Fall Down" was really starting to catch everyone's ear. There was talk he was going to start a church out on Long Island.
Was there any talk in your conversations about being gay is wrong; this is an abomination, or conversion?
Early on, no?he would relate it to being lonely. Not being able to be who you really want to be, who you are and that was a little later. I said, "What do you mean?" He said, "Well, I'm in gospel, I have fans, I'm about to start this church and the church has a lot of promise. It can be a big thing", which it ended up being. He said, "I have a position to uphold and I have an image, but the thing is I know who I am and I?m going to have to work on some things; I have some things to work on." I said, "Is it that simple? Can you just work on it like that? Cut on a switch."
When was the first time you were intimate?
Like I said we met winter, the first time was in May.
What was that like?the first time you guys were intimate?
It was uncomfortable because...it was uncomfortable because he gets into role playing, which is of course he's the bottom and he wants you to treat him rough. He wants to talk rough and that's not my demeanor, that's not in me. I can play a role and I did it, but I didn?t feel comfortable because it wasn?t me. I felt stupid actually. Like, what did I just do? It was just strange.
Did you have any foreplay?
It wasn?t that much, it was an embrace, a hug, a kiss and then just immediately something went in another direction. He was like a different person, the tone of his voice. He referred to his ******* as ?p.ussy?. Stuff like that, "You want to f.uck this p.ussy, don't you?" You know that type of thing.
Where did this happen?
This was at a hotel. That was the first experience, but each time I always had to play the role. You get tired of it. He'd often say, "I don't want the lovey dovey stuff." Those were exact words, "I don?t want the lovey dovey stuff, the hugging, the cuddling, I don?t want the lovey dovey stuff?I just want sex." That's how it was and so I sort of knew?this is not going to be anything. Not that I thought it would. I knew this was going to be an occasional thing when time permitted.
But it keeps going, right?
It did, it was off and on, but sometimes when he'd get in his stage of I guess when he'd go in ?remission?. When he didn't want to take the calls, or when he didn?t want to get together. I couldn?t deal with that?not that I felt any strong way toward him. I didn?t know what was going on, I just got on the ride and just decided I?d just ride this thing out and see what's going on and what's going to happen. But, the thing is when he'd go on his moments, on this is wrong, I can?t do this, blah, blah, blah. It was because "We Fall Down" was becoming so popular. The church had just started in the summer of 2001 and they were growing. They started with 350 [members] by the next month it was another 100 onto that. Then another 100 so it was growing.