The Truth About Creatine...Or Is It?

[Lean2Mass]

http://www.foxnews.com/health/drrosenfeld/index.html

Watch the video on Dr. Rosenfeld's (FoxNews) take on creatine. He discusses whether it's safe or not, while also pointing out that it virtually has no benefits to people who take it. I found it very interesting because he claims:

1. Our bodies already produce enough creatine

2. Any extra creatine will be flushed out by our kidneys

3. Creatine is not recommended for long term use, and it will only provide temporary energy and muscle growth

I don't know how much of this I believe, but I do know that whenever I use creatine, the effects of it aren't placebo. I can see the results in the mirror and others can too. How much credibility does Dr. Rosenfeld hold and have there been other scientific studies that support his theories?

[projectpat06]

interesting, iknow from my exp its been very effective for size and strength, period...

[CrunK-fLeXx]

idk, creatine seems to have a pretty high success rate.

[Adawg4929]

http://www.foxnews.com/health/drrosenfeld/index.html

Watch the video on Dr. Rosenfeld's (FoxNews) take on creatine. He discusses whether it's safe or not, while also pointing out that it virtually has no benefits to people who take it. I found it very interesting because he claims:

1. Our bodies already produce enough creatine

2. Any extra creatine will be flushed out by our kidneys

3. Creatine is not recommended for long term use, and it will only provide temporary energy and muscle growth

I don't know how much of this I believe, but I do know that whenever I use creatine, the effects of it aren't placebo. I can see the results in the mirror and others can too. How much credibility does Dr. Rosenfeld hold and have there been other scientific studies that support his theories?

He said creatine only works for short burst of energy like a quik sprint or lets say the last 2 reps on a set. Although its not constantly effecting you so he says no long term effects, but being able to get a couple more reps out on every set consistently will obvious result in more growth.

[Jonesy_5603]

idk, creatine seems to have a pretty high success rate.

agreed, creatine seems to work quite well for the majority of users, some might lose weight because of water retention when coming off, but i dont think that the muscle you build while using creatine is only temporary, thats just craziness ... but hey what he is saying my be right for some people using certain type of creatine because everyone will respond or not respond differently to different forms of creatine... this has always been a hot topic tho

[Tarkana]

well, it is on fox news, so that lowers its credibility right there.
seems like one of those things where they pull something outa nowhere and start talking bout how bad it is to get attention cause they have nothing else to fill time, like that one time bill o'reilly had dana white and rich franklin on via satellite and started to badmouth ufc saying how terrible and dangerous it is without actually making valid points. i only watch fox news so i don't feel like im being biased, but they're pretty sketchy.

[u5711]

He said:

-I think that most of us have "ENOUGH" creatine produced -TRUE! But he doesn't say more is not beneficial

-I dont think there's any evidence to support the use long term. - see below

He really didnt discount creatine by any means if you watch the video. And he's right, we don't know if unregulated products contain what they say (hello deca in sport supps). We trust that some companies are more reputable, thus we use it. And I dont know of any long term studies that looked at the safety of creatine. However, it has been around and used for a long time (became popular in the early 90s) without any significant health risks. Nonetheless, understand he is coming at this from a medical doctor's standpoint. His standard for safety should be and is higher than the supplement industry.

Having said that, the poll isn't worded right at all and the OP didnt quite pick up on the language the doctor used.

[samsam12341]

I would say creatine works to an extent. Do I think that I can rep 225 and then after creatine, I can rep 235 for the same? No. I would say it helps me have more energy to help me pump out a few more reps like someone said above. Obviously there might be some placebo included. But hey, 30$ to get some extra reps outta some the weight room is worth it. If it works then it's worth it, atleast to me.

Sam

[samsam12341]

He said:

-I think that most of us have "ENOUGH" creatine produced -TRUE! But he doesn't say more is not beneficial

-I dont think there's any evidence to support the use long term. - see below

He really didnt discount creatine by any means if you watch the video. And he's right, we don't know if unregulated products contain what they say (hello deca in sport supps). We trust that some companies are more reputable, thus we use it. And I dont know of any long term studies that looked at the safety of creatine. However, it has been around and used for a long time (became popular in the early 90s) without any significant health risks. Nonetheless, understand he is coming at this from a medical doctor's standpoint. His standard for safety should be and is higher than the supplement industry.

Having said that, the poll isn't worded right at all and the OP didnt quite pick up on the language the doctor used.

Not only do we "trust" companies to please not put any crap other than pure creatine, but alot of these dshea compliant companies are cGMP certified so you know you are getting quality stuff with no contamination!

Sam

[DallasRG]

Creatine comes into play when you're body has run out of sources for ATP. It accounts for one ATP molecule when there's an oxygen or glucose deficit, which is actually not that much. However, it is enough to get that extra 1 or 2 reps in, or not tire out as quickly when sprinting. Obviously getting that extra rep assists in muscle growth so it does have it's benefits. But it IS already in your body and yeah most people should have more than enough. I don't know how beneficial it could be by supplementing with it. If you think it works, use it. But like everything else cycle on and off of it. Me personally, I just think there are better products and better ways of getting gains :O

[MrOneEyedBoh]

Dallas, what other kinda of products do you think work better than creatine? ( no bashing, just an honest question )

[EMISGOD]

http://www.foxnews.com/health/drrosenfeld/index.html

Watch the video on Dr. Rosenfeld's (FoxNews) take on creatine. He discusses whether it's safe or not, while also pointing out that it virtually has no benefits to people who take it. I found it very interesting because he claims:

1. Our bodies already produce enough creatine

2. Any extra creatine will be flushed out by our kidneys

3. Creatine is not recommended for long term use, and it will only provide temporary energy and muscle growth

I don't know how much of this I believe, but I do know that whenever I use creatine, the effects of it aren't placebo. I can see the results in the mirror and others can too. How much credibility does Dr. Rosenfeld hold and have there been other scientific studies that support his theories?

Sorry, kid, but this entire thread is idiotic. Creatine is one of the most well-researched and tested supplements on the planet and a lot of evidence is pointing to it as leading to faster recovery from tissue trauma. It is not especially useful for energy, either, which should be your first major clue that the tv doctor dip**** is making some rather dramatic leaps for the dumb**** tv audience that don't know any better, probably have not heard of it and would have little to no reason to use it if they did...

You really need to start doing searches before starting **** threads like this or you're going to wind right back there in the red again...

[sonicology]

Creatine is one of the most widely studied ergogenic aids of all time, both by bro-science and by real-science. If it was unsafe and uneffective it would have been exposed long before now.

Also I don't want to appear shallow, but that doctor looks like an old coot to me.

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

http://www.foxnews.com/health/drrosenfeld/index.html

Watch the video on Dr. Rosenfeld's (FoxNews) take on creatine. He discusses whether it's safe or not, while also pointing out that it virtually has no benefits to people who take it. I found it very interesting because he claims:

1. Our bodies already produce enough creatine

2. Any extra creatine will be flushed out by our kidneys

3. Creatine is not recommended for long term use, and it will only provide temporary energy and muscle growth

I don't know how much of this I believe, but I do know that whenever I use creatine, the effects of it aren't placebo. I can see the results in the mirror and others can too. How much credibility does Dr. Rosenfeld hold and have there been other scientific studies that support his theories?

The truth is SPELLED out in the now over 500 peer reviewed published studies on creatine showing it to be effective. Nothing more needs to be said and no individual can ever change that.

It also has many clinical applications that go FAR beyond sports performance. For example, the spinal cord research institute I did my internship at back in the day, had MULTIPLE creatine studies going, using individuals with varying degrees of spinal cord injuries.

[ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION]

Sorry, kid, but this entire thread is idiotic. Creatine is one of the most well-researched and tested supplements on the planet and a lot of evidence is pointing to it as leading to faster recovery from tissue trauma. It is not especially useful for energy, either, which should be your first major clue that the tv doctor dip**** is making some rather dramatic leaps for the dumb**** tv audience that don't know any better, probably have not heard of it and would have little to no reason to use it if they did...

You really need to start doing searches before starting **** threads like this or you're going to wind right back there in the red again...

LOL!!

Creatine is one of the most widely studied ergogenic aids of all time, both by bro-science and by real-science. If it was unsafe and uneffective it would have been exposed long before now.

Also I don't want to appear shallow, but that doctor looks like an old coot to me.

LOL again "both by bro-science and real-science"

[Lean2Mass]

Sorry, kid, but this entire thread is idiotic. Creatine is one of the most well-researched and tested supplements on the planet and a lot of evidence is pointing to it as leading to faster recovery from tissue trauma. It is not especially useful for energy, either, which should be your first major clue that the tv doctor dip**** is making some rather dramatic leaps for the dumb**** tv audience that don't know any better, probably have not heard of it and would have little to no reason to use it if they did...

You really need to start doing searches before starting **** threads like this or you're going to wind right back there in the red again...

Hey, no need to jump down my throat. I believe that creatine works as well. I made that clear in my original thread, but I just thought this was interesting because it was on the news just recently. I'm not trying to discredit creatine at all. I'm just addressing what a doctor has said about it, whether true or not. There is nothing wrong with debating this topic.

[DallasRG]

Dallas, what other kinda of products do you think work better than creatine? ( no bashing, just an honest question )

I don't know if I would say any ONE product is better. I would just wrather spend my money in other ways, ie. buy a 5 lb. tub of protein, get some fish oil, stock up on your steak meat (I'm a big fan of regularly eating steak). There's one product that I know does the same thing creatine would do for you and works all the time. As much as I hate to say it because I hate the company, MuscleTech's GAKIC works great if you're needing that extra few reps. I think it's a little more expensive though :P I know a lot of runners who use it because it delays that muscle fatigue in the legs when they're running. Works the same way for weight training, that's why people think they get stronger, cause they're getting a couple more reps in. I don't know for sure I'll have to look at it again but I think all GAKIC is is like 10 grams of glycine and arginine or something hahaha. But like I said I wouldn't go as far as to say "get this product because its way better than creatine." Me personally, I just wouldn't spend my money on it, there's other essentials I'd want (vitamins, fish oil, herbs, ect..)

[xologist]

oops, I messed up on the vote... darn.

But over all, "celltech is the best creatine known to man kind"

LOL

[EMISGOD]

Hey, no need to jump down my throat. I believe that creatine works as well. I made that clear in my original thread, but I just thought this was interesting because it was on the news just recently. I'm not trying to discredit creatine at all. I'm just addressing what a doctor has said about it, whether true or not. There is nothing wrong with debating this topic.

This is a bit like debating whether water's wet or whether the sun's hot, et. al.

Also, it is not jumping down your throat. It is illuminating to you the complicated futility of ignorance. Consider it your education.

[DallasRG]

oops, I messed up on the vote... darn.

But over all, "celltech is the best creatine known to man kind"

LOL

That's about as dead on as saying Nitro-tech is the best protein known to man, lol

[xologist]

That's about as dead on as saying Nitro-tech is the best protein known to man, lol

and its about as dead old as you copying my post to make fun of me.

its still something fun to say anyways.

w/e im out for today.

[Lean2Mass]

This is a bit like debating whether water's wet or whether the sun's hot, et. al.

Also, it is not jumping down your throat. It is illuminating to you the complicated futility of ignorance. Consider it your education.

If you want to get philosophical, we can be here all night. But to get back on track, I personally disagree with what the doctor claimed. In fact, he didn't mention anything about scientific studies or how it's been proven to be effective. His position on creatine was more of a "this is what I think, so take it or leave it". I agree with what you said:

the tv doctor dip**** is making some rather dramatic leaps for the dumb**** tv audience that don't know any better, probably have not heard of it and would have little to no reason to use it if they did

When it comes to the mainstream, everything has to be simplified. The fact that it only lasted about a minute and 1/2 is more reason to believe that a lot of information was left out regarding this supplement. Notice how he mentioned that the "FDA" doesn't approve or monitor this stuff, so it's not recommended. When it comes to doctors, if the pharmaceutical companies aren't providing it, then it's not recommended. With that said, I'm so happy that these supplement companies aren't regulated by the FDA, and don't need a doctor to prescribe them.

[Dalamara]

There's nothing to debate here.

Unless you can show conclusive, scientific evidence that creatine doesn't work... which, by the way, would have to first overturn all of the scientific evidence that shows that creatine is effective, then, there is nothing to discuss. That Dr. is wrong.

[DallasRG]

and its about as dead old as you copying my post to make fun of me.

its still something fun to say anyways.

w/e im out for today.

lol I wasn't making fun of you I was making fun of whoever you quoted just like you were. I'll get you a tissue if you got your feelings hurt, hahah

[Dr Nick]

Creatine is proven in multiply studys.
This doc dont know what he us talking about.

[Death From Above]

a few thoughts....

this is probably directed or the claims being made, are from users who start taking creatine, gain 5lbs, feel all proud, then stop the creatine and lose the water weight.

Creatine is most effective for mass building/strength cycles which go hand in hand with low rep sets.

Personally Ive seen the best gains with creatine.

Fox news is dumb.

[drxmn]

i call buh-buh-buh-bulls***