The best steroid alternative?

[musclebound04]

There's a lot of advertised "steroid-like" substances out there (like D-Bol). I'm curious if anyone's tried a "steroid-like" substance and actually got steroid-like results.

[wiseguy1111]

Closest thing was PH and they are banned.

[PSKlifter]

Closest thing was PH and they are banned.

and half of what used to be called ph's were steroids in nature anyways.

[Growin Guns]

Superdrol (Methasteron) legally available. Three week cycle - 18.9 pounds lean mass gained, body fat % down 2%. In the third week of PCT have lost 2 pounds of the gain but lost none of the strength gains made. Don't just jump into this stuff though, as it is serious. Do the research, get the right support supps and PCT supplies BEFORE starting.
GG

[KrushR]

Superdrol (Methasteron) legally available. Three week cycle - 18.9 pounds lean mass gained, body fat % down 2%.

18.9 lean pounds in three weeks? Right. Maybe if you hung a bunch of t-bone steaks around your neck on string. I'd have to see legit before/after pics. Feel free to post links to any studies as well.

[Rage (SoCal)]

18.9 lean pounds in three weeks? Right. Maybe if you hung a bunch of t-bone steaks around your neck on string. I'd have to see legit before/after pics. Feel free to post links to any studies as well.

yea thats a little rough to believe.

[KrushR]

found a great Superdrol article here explaining the usage, but I didn't see any reports of gains in the thread. I'm still looking. I see people pimping it all over, but want to see the results in the form of pics. I give e-stats absolutely no credit.

[nni]

I give e-stats absolutely no credit.

why is that?

are you saying i am not 5'2 300lbs at 5% bf!!!!!

[Growin Guns]

Then this won't convince you either, but you can check out the log over on the supplement science forum under "superdrol advice for a 40 year old geaser". I'm not going to argue with you over it, because it's simply not worth it, believe it or don't believe it. I have better things to do than to try to impress a bunch of people that I don't know with false statements. No hard feelings, that's just the way it is.
GG

[ironLifeBG]

although superdrol is legal, its not a steriod alternative, its chemically a steroid and if you aren't careful it will cause similar side effects and even worse side effects then steroid use. (it can cause worse because its an oral where most roids with the exception of 17aa and methylated ones are injectable)

look at the superdrol write-up stickied to the main thread in the supplements section.

[KrushR]

why is that?

are you saying i am not 5'2 300lbs at 5% bf!!!!!

nah...I believe you. just make sure you get that e-bench up to 600 for 5 reps next week!!!

[Krzna]

18.9 lean pounds in three weeks? Right. Maybe if you hung a bunch of t-bone steaks around your neck on string. I'd have to see legit before/after pics. Feel free to post links to any studies as well.

Well on m1t I gained 24lbs in 4 weeks and kept around 20 in that. If you know how to use ph's you can gain PERIOD.

[KrushR]

If you know how to use ph's you can gain PERIOD.

I guess I'm just questioning the quality/timing of the gains, that's all. Sure, you put on 20-24 lbs in 4 weeks. Great. I believe you. Have you done it again? I believe that PHs can give you great one-time gains, and that will depend on your current build. No problem putting 20 pounds of mass on a 160 lb frame, but what if the frame is 240? I know they work differently for different people, but I'm wondering if the large gains reported are on mostly smaller people, that's all.

[KrushR]

Then this won't convince you either, but you can check out the log over on the supplement science forum under "superdrol advice for a 40 year old geaser". I'm not going to argue with you over it, because it's simply not worth it, believe it or don't believe it. I have better things to do than to try to impress a bunch of people that I don't know with false statements. No hard feelings, that's just the way it is.
GG

Actually, if there is more info than people saying "it works", then it just might. I was just looking for links, that's all. Stop amping if someone demands a little proof. No hard feelings is right...remember this is teh intarweb, not the real world.

[ironLifeBG]

just for some info

i was able to increase my weight from a relatively lean 225lbs to 247lbs in 28 days on m1t, now 12 days into the PCT i still weigh 239 pounds (i am also cutting for summertime) and have been even making strength gains well off m1t (doesn't surprise me though because m1t isn't very androgenic)

[Cell-Tech]

There's a lot of advertised "steroid-like" substances out there (like D-Bol).

Uhh bro...


D-Bol is a steroid...

[Krzna]

I guess I'm just questioning the quality/timing of the gains, that's all. Sure, you put on 20-24 lbs in 4 weeks. Great. I believe you. Have you done it again? I believe that PHs can give you great one-time gains, and that will depend on your current build. No problem putting 20 pounds of mass on a 160 lb frame, but what if the frame is 240? I know they work differently for different people, but I'm wondering if the large gains reported are on mostly smaller people, that's all.

I started using ph's at 165 lbs. My first cycle with 1ad/4ad i was up to 177. Did my next @ 174 went up to 190, did my third at 185 now am around 215 something. I am planning to give up ph's though. does'nt mean that ph's will work only for first timers. With right amount of time between cycles and effective dosages anyone can gain with ph's.

[PSKlifter]

I started using ph's at 165 lbs. My first cycle with 1ad/4ad i was up to 177. Did my next @ 174 went up to 190, did my third at 185 now am around 215 something. I am planning to give up ph's though. does'nt mean that ph's will work only for first timers. With right amount of time between cycles and effective dosages anyone can gain with ph's.

^^agreed^^

[KrushR]

just for some info

i was able to increase my weight from a relatively lean 225lbs to 247lbs in 28 days on m1t, now 12 days into the PCT i still weigh 239 pounds (i am also cutting for summertime) and have been even making strength gains well off m1t (doesn't surprise me though because m1t isn't very androgenic)

finally...some of the info I was looking for. Someone my size that has benefitted. I might just have to drag the m1t out of the closet. Thanks.

[PSKlifter]

finally...some of the info I was looking for. Someone my size that has benefitted. I might just have to drag the m1t out of the closet. Thanks.

if you decide to go that route, just be wary of the sides. it can be one of the harsher compounds out there, but powerful as all hell.

[ironLifeBG]

make sure you have your PCT before you start because i am not kidding when i say m1t is the real deal. and i definately would not exceed 20mg a day.


also i would run it with 4ad or else you will retain alot of water.

[pologq]

best current steroid alternative is something you can get legally and in my opinion that is ErgoMax

[PSKlifter]

make sure you have your PCT before you start because i am not kidding when i say m1t is the real deal. and i definately would not exceed 20mg a day.


also i would run it with 4ad or else you will retain alot of water.

your actually more likely to retain water w/ the use of 4ad. but the 4ad is effective in combatting the sides of lethargy and loss of libido.

[KrushR]

make sure you have your PCT before you start

I've heard everyone talk about the hardcore sides...I'm a firm believer in PCT, don't worry. I plan on a much 'harder' stack later in the year, but I might run this for a little while. BG - how long is your cycle going to be in total?

[ironLifeBG]

I've heard everyone talk about the hardcore sides...I'm a firm believer in PCT, don't worry. I plan on a much 'harder' stack later in the year, but I might run this for a little while. BG - how long is your cycle going to be in total?

my cycles was 28 days total, i started only taking 5 mg for the first couple days, then to ten mg for a couple days and then finally 15 mg for the remainder, i took 20mg a couple of days but seriously only like 2 days max, near the end.


i was also super loading EAAs and BCAAs

using CEE, EFA's and AE2


i couldn't get any novla for pct, so i am currently taking tribolan, 6-0x0, novadex XT but if things get bad, i am going to the doctors, fessing up and doing whatever it takes to get some nolva but so far i am 13 days into the PCT, i have been just demoing my gf in bed everynight, have seen some puffy nipples but never for more then a couple hours and have always had considerable acne on my back and shoulders.

[Brooklyn Zoo]

M1T has too many sides for my liking.. and many people report that much of their gains are lost after use.

Superdrol is methylated masteron. The methylation changes its properties, but it's still somewhere between masteron and anadrol. Fairly lean gains, sometimes lethargy, nice gains with proper diet, mostly retainable with a good PCT. Effective when used properly. May cause exessive cramping/muscle pumps.

Ergomax (and soon, Phera-Plex) is, accoridng to Patrick Arnold, DMT/Madol (desoxy-methyltestosterone), and was the coumpound recently found by the World Anti-Doping Agency. It's a synthetic version of a hormone found in elephant urine. (Thus the forthcoming unmethylated version "Elephant Max") Ergomax should be highly effective and Phera-Plex is supposed to be even more anabolic, although with a greater number of side effects.

[Purge]

Uhh bro...


D-Bol is a steroid...

He's referring to the dejecta that SDI Labs tries to pass off as real juice.

[85_305]

Uhh bro...


D-Bol is a steroid...

Lol, ya that gave me a good chuckle too!

[Danik]

just for some info

i was able to increase my weight from a relatively lean 225lbs to 247lbs in 28 days on m1t, now 12 days into the PCT i still weigh 239 pounds (i am also cutting for summertime) and have been even making strength gains well off m1t (doesn't surprise me though because m1t isn't very androgenic)

If I'm not mistaken M1T is moderately-highly androgenic. Quite a few people had to worry about hair loss while running it.

[KrushR]

It's a synthetic version of a hormone found in elephant urine.

mmmm...elephant urine...