if americans knew what israel is really doing

[banu_okasha]

How is it laughable. the Palestinians were being deprived of a country by Jordan. Apparently you are not current on the history of palestinian treatment at the hands of the various Arab countries. They were and still are the untouchables of the ME.

WOW untouchables oh really?

let's not make things up now Palestinians owns businesses in Syria and live side by side with us and are like my brothers.


REMEMBER, the Arab nations are taking care of REFUGEES that you guys kicked out.

So lol at bringing that up.


EDIT: One more thing, HALF the population of Jordan is Pally, do you know how many citizenships they gave out to the Palestinians so that they wouldnt become refugees anymore?

[1devil]

Maye the Pallies weren't clammering because they don't get opressed by the Jordanians?

Did this prevent Palestinians from having a state. I believe it did. I suppose the Jordainians were just your garden variety nice oppressors. You need to come up with somthing better than that.

[kajara3]

Did this prevent Palestinians from having a state. I believe it did. I suppose the Jordainians were just your garden variety nice oppressors. You need to come up with somthing better than that.

it would explain why they didn't complain as much as when israel brutally occupies them.

[banu_okasha]

Did this prevent Palestinians from having a state. I believe it did. I suppose the Jordainians were just your garden variety nice oppressors. You need to come up with somthing better than that.

You jsut said yourself the Pallies weren't clammering?

You know why?

Because compared to the Israelis Jordanians are like Santa Claus.

Look at the citizens of Jordan over HALF are pally, Jordan + Syria gave out so many citizenships to refugees at the risk of their own economies.

Do you know how many Iraqis syria has let into the nation> More than a million! And it is draining the economy, but we do it because they are like brothers

[1devil]

WOW untouchables oh really?

let's not make things up now Palestinians owns businesses in Syria and live side by side with us and are like my brothers.


REMEMBER, the Arab nations are taking care of REFUGEES that you guys kicked out.

So lol at bringing that up.


EDIT: One more thing, HALF the population of Jordan is Pally, do you know how many citizenships they gave out to the Palestinians so that they wouldnt become refugees anymore?

Ah the great treatment. sort of like the recent demolition of a refugee camp in Lebanon. Please. they are not granted citizenship by most Arab nations. Jordan is the only Arab nation to grant citizenship.

From the wikipedia:Saudi Arabia
An estimated 500,000 Palestinians are living in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia as of December 2004. They are not allowed to hold or even apply for Saudi citizenship, as the new law passed by Saudi Arabia's Council of Ministers in October 2004 (which entitles expatriates of all nationalities who have resided in the kingdom for ten years to apply for citizenship, with priority being given to holders of degrees in various scientific fields) has one glaring exception: Palestinians will not be allowed to benefit from the new law because of Arab League instructions barring the Arab states from granting them citizenship in order "to avoid dissolution of their identity and protect their right to return to their homeland".


[edit] Lebanon

Nahr el-Bared, Palestinian refugee camp in North Lebanon.Lebanon barred Palestinians from 73 job categories including professions such as medicine, law and engineering. They are not allowed to own property. Unlike other foreigners in Lebanon, they are denied access to the Lebanese healthcare system. The Lebanese government refused to grant them work permits or permission to own land. The number of restrictions has been mounting since 1990.[23] In June 2005, however, the government of Lebanon removed some work restrictions from a few Lebanese-born Palestinians, enabling them to apply for work permits and work in the private sector.[24]. In a 2007 study, Amnesty International denounces the "appalling social and economic condition" of Palestinians in Lebanon

Kuwait
After the Gulf War of 1990-1991, Kuwait and other Gulf Arab monarchies expelled more than 400,000 Palestinian refugees[27]) in response to the PLO support of Iraq during the invasion of Kuwait.


[edit] Egypt
During Egypt's occupation of the Gaza Strip, Egypt denied the Gaza Strip's residents citizenship rights and did not allow them to move to Egypt or anywhere outside of the Strip. From 1949-1967, The Gaza Strip was used by Egypt to launch 9,000 attacks on Israel from terrorist cells set up in refugee camp.[citation needed] Egypt today abides by the instructions of the Arab League concerning Palestinians of not granting them citizenship.


[edit] Iraq
Palestinians in Iraq have come under increasing pressure to leave since the beginning of the Iraq War in 2003. Hundreds of Palestinians were evicted from their homes by Iraqi landlords following the fall of Saddam Hussein. 19,000 Palestinians, over half the community's number in Baghdad, have fled since that time, and remaining Palestinians regularly face "threats, killings, intimidation, and kidnappings". Several hundred refugees are trapped on the border with Syria, which refuses to grant them entry

[ll ReNeGaDe ll]

that's probably because jordan is a muslim country of arab descent.

and, they didn't treat palistinians like crap like israel does.

so, with that being said, that is a laughable comparison to make.

That's a laughable argument to make.

Palestinians are "treated like crap" because of their continuous 90 year old hobby of killing da j00z.

Devil's point is valid.

[ll ReNeGaDe ll]

REMEMBER, the Arab nations are taking care of REFUGEES that you guys kicked out.

"Palestinians" were never kicked out - they left on their own due to the encouragement and promise of Arab leaders that Israel will be destroyed. Now that theyre out - theyre out.

[kajara3]

That's a laughable argument to make.

Palestinians are "treated like crap" because of their continuous 90 year old hobby of killing da j00z.

Devil's point is valid.

how is the argument that palistinians would care less about being occupied by a muslim arab country then being occupied by a jewish country that treats them much much worse then jordan ever did laughable?

lol.

[banu_okasha]

Ah the gret nice treatment. sort of like the recent demolition of a refugee camp in Lebanon. Please. they are not granted citizenship by most Arab nations. Jordan is the only Arab nation to grant citizenship.

From the wikipedia:Saudi Arabia
An estimated 500,000 Palestinians are living in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia as of December 2004. They are not allowed to hold or even apply for Saudi citizenship, as the new law passed by Saudi Arabia's Council of Ministers in October 2004 (which entitles expatriates of all nationalities who have resided in the kingdom for ten years to apply for citizenship, with priority being given to holders of degrees in various scientific fields) has one glaring exception: Palestinians will not be allowed to benefit from the new law because of Arab League instructions barring the Arab states from granting them citizenship in order "to avoid dissolution of their identity and protect their right to return to their homeland".


[edit] Lebanon

Nahr el-Bared, Palestinian refugee camp in North Lebanon.Lebanon barred Palestinians from 73 job categories including professions such as medicine, law and engineering. They are not allowed to own property. Unlike other foreigners in Lebanon, they are denied access to the Lebanese healthcare system. The Lebanese government refused to grant them work permits or permission to own land. The number of restrictions has been mounting since 1990.[23] In June 2005, however, the government of Lebanon removed some work restrictions from a few Lebanese-born Palestinians, enabling them to apply for work permits and work in the private sector.[24]. In a 2007 study, Amnesty International denounces the "appalling social and economic condition" of Palestinians in Lebanon

Kuwait
After the Gulf War of 1990-1991, Kuwait and other Gulf Arab monarchies expelled more than 400,000 Palestinian refugees[27]) in response to the PLO support of Iraq during the invasion of Kuwait.


[edit] Egypt
During Egypt's occupation of the Gaza Strip, Egypt denied the Gaza Strip's residents citizenship rights and did not allow them to move to Egypt or anywhere outside of the Strip. From 1949-1967, The Gaza Strip was used by Egypt to launch 9,000 attacks on Israel from terrorist cells set up in refugee camp.[citation needed] Egypt today abides by the instructions of the Arab League concerning Palestinians of not granting them citizenship.


[edit] Iraq
Palestinians in Iraq have come under increasing pressure to leave since the beginning of the Iraq War in 2003. Hundreds of Palestinians were evicted from their homes by Iraqi landlords following the fall of Saddam Hussein. 19,000 Palestinians, over half the community's number in Baghdad, have fled since that time, and remaining Palestinians regularly face "threats, killings, intimidation, and kidnappings". Several hundred refugees are trapped on the border with Syria, which refuses to grant them entry

Time to foil this weak copy and paste attempt 1 by 1.


Saudi Arabia: It is almost impossbile to gain Saudi Arabian citizenship if you are not originally from there. This applies to a Syria, Pally, Jordanian, Iraqi, ect ect. It is like that all over gulf countries.


Lebanon: Lebanon is a small war torn country, thre are hundreds of thousands of Pallies in Lebanon at the moment, do you know what would happen to the economy if all of a sudden all of them were able to get any job they wanted? Do you know what would happen to lebanons health care system if suddenly thousands of refugees were allowed into it?


Kuwait: kuwait expelled MANY Syrians and man other nationalities from entering Kuwait for their governments support of iraq, so it is not only Pallies.

Egypt: Not sure, need to look into it.


Iraq: Iraq is a WAR ZONE and a lawless nation with bandits all over the place. Of course a few landlords are going to take advantage of the situation!

[banu_okasha]

"Palestinians" were never kicked out - they left on their own due to the encouragement and promise of Arab leaders that Israel will be destroyed. Now that theyre out - theyre out.

Haha the left because of war and having their homes bulldozed not simply because of Arab promises!

Why does Israel still bulldoze pally homes hm??

No you're argument is weak.

Entire Pally villages were wiped out by Israel which sent hundreds of thousands fleeing out.

You think all of them listened to the weak promises of some corrupt Arab government? Not many!

[1devil]

You jsut said yourself the Pallies weren't clammering?

You know why?

Because compared to the Israelis Jordanians are like Santa Claus.

Look at the citizens of Jordan over HALF are pally, Jordan + Syria gave out so many citizenships to refugees at the risk of their own economies.

Do you know how many Iraqis syria has let into the nation> More than a million! And it is draining the economy, but we do it because they are like brothers

Answer my questions please. Did Jordan occupy the west bank for over 19 years. Did this or did this not prevent the Palestinians from having a homeland? Did Jordan invade Israel and lose this land in the process. The Jews never would have been in possesion of this land had the Jordanian not taken such a stupid risk. Maybe the Palestinans should yell at jordan for playing games with their future.

Why didn't the Palestinians or the Arab league ever question Jordan's right to this land? It only became an issue once the jews controlled it

[1devil]

Time to foil this weak copy and paste attempt 1 by 1.


Saudi Arabia: It is almost impossbile to gain Saudi Arabian citizenship if you are not originally from there. This applies to a Syria, Pally, Jordanian, Iraqi, ect ect. It is like that all over gulf countries.


Lebanon: Lebanon is a small war torn country, thre are hundreds of thousands of Pallies in Lebanon at the moment, do you know what would happen to the economy if all of a sudden all of them were able to get any job they wanted? Do you know what would happen to lebanons health care system if suddenly thousands of refugees were allowed into it?


Kuwait: kuwait expelled MANY Syrians and man other nationalities from entering Kuwait for their governments support of iraq, so it is not only Pallies.

Egypt: Not sure, need to look into it.


Iraq: Iraq is a WAR ZONE and a lawless nation with bandits all over the place. Of course a few landlords are going to take advantage of the situation!

Suit yourself. if you think the Arab world gives a rats ass about Palestinians that you are deluded. They are nothing but powerless pawns in the ME.

[banu_okasha]

Answer my questions please. Did Jordan occupy the west bank for over 19 years. Did this or did this not prevent the Palestinians from having a homeland? Did Jordan invade Israel and lose this land in the process. The Jews never would have been in possesion of this land had the Jordanian not taken such a stupid risk. Maybe the Palestinans should yell at jordan for playing games with their future.

Why didn't the Palestinians or the Arab league ever question Jordan's right to this land? It only became an issue once the jews controlled it

You know why it became an issue once the Jews controlled it? Because of the Palestinians claiming there houses were being torn down, curfews, checkpoints, embarassment, living under a military with tanks running down your street and ****.

It seems that the Palestinians do care about a homeland BUT it seems they do accept someone who does not treat them like utter ****, which kind of shows some form of understanding from the Pallies.

It is not like Yes! we are ruled by Arabs now, no.

It was more like Yes! these guys arent as bad as the last.

It basically comes down to this, treat the Pallies with respect and they become respectful.

i mean lol, Pallies even tried to overthrow the Jordanian government once, and the Jordanians are STILL somewhat good to them.

[banu_okasha]

Suit yourself. if you think the Arab world gives a rats ass about Palestinians that you are deluded. They are nothing but powerless pawns in the ME.

The Arab governments are using them as pawns. It is true.

But I don't believe for ONE SECOND you calling them untouchables, I am sorry but when I read that I thought,

1.He is lying.

or

2. He has been reading too many Jewish sources or something

[kajara3]

You know why it became an issue once the Jews controlled it? Because of the Palestinians claiming there houses were being torn down, curfews, checkpoints, embarassment, living under a military with tanks running down your street and ****.

It seems that the Palestinians do care about a homeland BUT it seems they do accept someone who does not treat them like utter ****, which kind of shows some form of understanding from the Pallies.

It is not like Yes! we are ruled by Arabs now, no.

It was more like Yes! these guys arent as bad as the last.

It basically comes down to this, treat the Pallies with respect and they become respectful.

i mean lol, Pallies even tried to overthrow the Jordanian government once, and the Jordanians are STILL somewhat good to them.

*sigh*

you'd think maybe 1devil would have gotten this message the first time you posted it.

it is like going in circles when one argues with 1devil.

lol.

[1devil]

The Arab governments are using them as pawns. It is true.

But I don't believe for ONE SECOND you calling them untouchables, I am sorry but when I read that I thought,

1.He is lying.

or

2. He has been reading too many Jewish sources or something

I think Palestinians are being usedfor shamless political purpose. This relegates Palestinans to the status of second class citizens. If you think my anaolgy is harsh so be it. However, the reality of the situation is harsh and calls for a harsh analogy.

[Dablkjock]

Americans are very selfish people in general.

They only give a **** about themselves and their own country and don't give two ****s about any body else or anybody elses country. They also operate as a nation by bullying weaker countries for natural resources.

Britain was attacked over 1000 times by the IRA and USA didn't even send 1 soldier to help the UK. In fact its a known fact that the US goverment was helping and supporting the IRA.

Spain was attacked almost 1000 times by ETA and the US didn't help once with any soldiers.

Yet when they are attacked they expect every person on the planet to drop what they are doing and run to Afghanistan.

This is the type of country that America is.

Don't expect anything from those guys. They only care about themselves. This is why they support arab puppet dictators because it benifits them.

What does this have to do with palestine? Most Americans couldn't give a **** about how much abuse Palestinians suffer on a daily basis. Even if they knew the facts they still wouldn't give a ****. The only time they would care is if they themselves lived under those conditions then they would force there bull**** down our throats for years about how bad it is and how the world should help America.

Sorry to sound rude and disrespectful but thats just the facts.

The big mistake people make is that they assume the Americans support Israel because they are unaware. Thats pretty much true but even those that do know whats going on do support Israel anyway. Why? it comes down to racism. Most Americans absolutly hate arabs. They will support anybody who kills, murders or destroys Arabs. They don't give a **** about Palestinians because Palestinains are Arabs.

Americans are not going to do **** all for the Palestinians. Thats why its important for the Palestinians to continue fighting until Iran gains the nuclear warhead(hopefully the behaviour of America is recent weeks has convinced the Iranians the need for building some).

Excellent post. And I certainly concur.

[Heeey]

How is it laughable. the Palestinians were being deprived of a country by Jordan. Apparently you are not current on the history of palestinian treatment at the hands of the various Arab countries. They were and still are the untouchables of the ME.

you keep making up these rivalaries between different muslims nationalities. it must be what you pray for at night but anyway your prayers will never be answered

[1devil]

*sigh*

you'd think maybe 1devil would have gotten this message the first time you posted it.

it is like going in circles when one argues with 1devil.

lol.

Jordan occupied the West bank for 19 years, preventing the creation of a Palestinian homeland. Then they decided to invade Israel and lost this land, which really did not belong to them to start with. Remind me again how Jordan represents the good guys.

[banu_okasha]

I think Palestinians are being usedfor shamless political purpose. This relegates Palestinans to the status of second class citizens. If you think my anaolgy is harsh so be it. However, the reality of the situation is harsh and calls for a harsh analogy.

How come I admit at times that the Arab states at dirtbags.

Why don't you admit you used a way too harsh analogy to describe the Pallies living in Arab nations?

Untouchables? Come on theya re the same race pretty much as the surrounding nations, I can't even tell a Pally from a Syria or a Pally from a Leb, it is impossible.

[1devil]

you keep making up these rivalaries between different muslims nationalities. it must be what you pray for at night but anyway your prayers will never be answered

Do you know the history of the ME at all. None of these countries really like each other. Israel provides a nice cathartic outlet for these countries.

[banu_okasha]

Do you know the history of the ME at all. None of these countries really like each other. Israel provides a nice cathartic outlet for these countries.

Is that why Egypt and Syria and Yemen, 3 very diffirent and far off nations almost united.

And Egypt and Syria united for a short while as one nation

[1devil]

How come I admit at times that the Arab states at dirtbags.

Why don't you admit you used a way too harsh analogy to describe the Pallies living in Arab nations?

Untouchables? Come on theya re the same race pretty much as the surrounding nations, I can't even tell a Pally from a Syria or a Pally from a Leb, it is impossible.

I speak of those who have spent decades in the crappy refugee camps throughout the ME. I would love to see a solution to this problem. I actually support a two state solution, even if it means giving up East Jerusalem. This situation can't go on. the life in the camps is not acceptable and needs to change.

[Dablkjock]

Foreign countries need to understand that U.S./British policy is, has, and always will be strictly race-based. That's how the mother*uckers go about things- here in America a good number of native Blacks here (like myself) have always known this, and this is why they avoid ANY DISCUSSION OF POLITICS, particularly foreign policy, with American Blacks like myself. I'd love to have a televised, town-hall meeting with some terrorist so I can expose that ass like no tomorrow. Hell I fantasize about it sometimes. And I'd want it to be shown and translated in every country possible.

Britain and the U.S., for the past 70+ years, have done everything they can to destabilize and undermine middle-eastern governments once they discovered the huge oil reserves in that region of the world. They couldn't give a *uck about any Arab, Palestinian, or any other group for that matter, that isn't at least half caucasian.

Work from that reality. Put aside any religious differences because it really doesn't matter in the end.

[1devil]

Is that why Egypt and Syria and Yemen, 3 very diffirent and far off nations almost united.

And Egypt and Syria united for a short while as one nation

Some countries get along better than others. However, there is strong distrust and dislike amongst many ME nations.

[Heeey]

Do you know the history of the ME at all. None of these countries really like each other. Israel provides a nice cathartic outlet for these countries.

should they be thankful you forced yourselves into their backyards or something?- anyway you re still unwelcome

[Geno]

Maye the Pallies weren't clammering because they don't get opressed by the Jordanians?

Jordan killed 20,000 Palestinians when they got tired of them doing what they always do (cause trouble) and kicked them out of the country. Oppressed? YES. Tolerated? NO.

Egypt won't let them cross the border into egypt because they cause trouble.

Lebanon just killed a ****load of them because they cause trouble.

See a pattern here? It's not racist, it's about acting within the rules of law and being civilized.

[Geno]

Foreign countries need to understand that U.S./British policy is, has, and always will be strictly race-based. That's how the mother*uckers go about things- here in America a good number of native Blacks here (like myself) have always known this, and this is why they avoid ANY DISCUSSION OF POLITICS, particularly foreign policy, with American Blacks like myself. I'd love to have a televised, town-hall meeting with some terrorist so I can expose that ass like no tomorrow. Hell I fantasize about it sometimes. And I'd want it to be shown and translated in every country possible.

Britain and the U.S., for the past 70+ years, have done everything they can to destabilize and undermine middle-eastern governments once they discovered the huge oil reserves in that region of the world. They couldn't give a *uck about any Arab, Palestinian, or any other group for that matter, that isn't at least half caucasian.

Work from that reality. Put aside any religious differences because it really doesn't matter in the end.

Bull****.

[1devil]

should they be thankful you forced yourselves into their backyards or something?- anyway you re still unwelcome

Jews have lived continuously in what is now Israel for over 3000 years. But thanks for sharing your ignorance with all of us.

[banu_okasha]

Jordan killed 20,000 Palestinians when they got tired of them doing what they always do (cause trouble) and kicked them out of the country. Oppressed? YES. Tolerated? NO.

Egypt won't let them cross the border into egypt because they cause trouble.

Lebanon just killed a ****load of them because they cause trouble.

See a pattern here? It's not racist, it's about acting within the rules of law and being civilized.

right, link?

details?

Israel sponsored the Lebanese Christians are Sabra and Shatilla which left thousands dead.