Superdrol - 1st Cycle Ever - Cont. LOG

[31joe31]

Hey guys this is a "continuation" from my last thread http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...drol+1st+cycle
where I got input and information together to build my cycle. I will now be starting a log of my cycle and just wanted to move it to the right section.

Supps:

Pre Cycle: (this has been the past week)

1. 1000mg/ Day Milk Thistle
2. 2 Tabs/Day Omega 3-6-9
3. 1 Pill/Day Multi

Cycle:

1. Superdrol (10mg/day - week 1, 20mg/day - week 2, 20mg/day - week 3)
2. 2 Tabs/Day Omega 3-6-9
3. 1 Pill Day/ Multi
4. 710mg/Day Milk Thistle
5. Red Yeast Rice w/ CoQ10
6. Cellery Seed Extract
7. 5g/Day CEE
8. Lots and LOTS of ON 100% Whey

PCT:

1.Nolva (40mg/20mg/20mg per day)
2.Rebound XT (75mg/50mg/25mg per day)
3.Fenugreek (3pills/4pills/5pills/0 per day)

continue with Omega, Multi, up milk thistle to 1000mg again, RYR w/ CoQ10, Cellery Seed and Whey.

Wait one week into PCT then start up again with CEE and add in some bulk powder AAKG.

Details of my workout plan and diet...etc are included in my last thread which is linked at the top of this entry.

I weighed myself today and Im at 164lbs. I just took my first 10mg of SD tonight to get it in my system. 1st day of my cycle starts tommorow and I'll be hitting Chest and Abs at the gym.

Real excited! All I have been thinking about for like the past two weeks! I'll keep u guys updated.

[Mister_A]

Good luck!!

Subscribed.

[nick912]

Yea man sounds right on target for this stack! Ill be keeping an eye out

[endlessfight]

Cycle looks great man, saw you did lots of research and got the right help. Make sure to take some pre/post pics. good luck

[Krzna]

Watches over good luck and props on the good research u put in before the cycle.

[31joe31]

Thanks Krzna for the props! But couldn't have put my cycle together correctly without ur help! Thanks again.

Anyways guys time for day 1's entry. Today was a real solid day. Weighed in at 167 today, 3lbs up. Took my first 10mg of SD last night to get it in my system. Was at work all day, but luckily my job isn't very time consuming so all I did today was eat, eat, and eat. I was never hungry once today, just kept eating because it was "time" for me to eat. When I wasn't eating I was throwing back a protein shake...startin to get addicted to those things. At my fourth meal my stomach was so full i was stuffin back a tuna sandwich and almost barfed it up. But I held it in and followed it with another shake.

One bit of bad news is that last night I had a slight toothache where my wisdom tooth is growing in. Today it was killing me and I had to take some advil at work to mask the pain. I looked at the tooth later at work and it was bleeding. So I set up a dentist appointment for tommorow. I'm hoping I dont have to get that wisdom tooth removed (as I was told at an earlier visit that they are growing in fine). If that is the case I would prob be down and out for a couple days and I don't want to inturrupt my cycle I just started!!!

But anyways....

When I got home from work at around 530pm took my next 10mg dose of SD then had my pre workout meal then took some creatine. Headed to the gym around 615pm. About a half an hour after takin the SD I was feelin sort of a rush several times...prob a placebo effect seein its only the second dose but whatever I'll take it, because my intensity in the gym today was prob the best it has been in a while.

Today was chest and abs. Did abs first. My endurance on my ab workouts seemed much better today. Got more sets in with more reps than I usually do, seemed like I had more energy. Most likely due to the change in diet.

My chest workout was awesome! Started with four sets of incline. Then moved to flat bench which was great, then to decline, then cable crosses. On my fourth set of flat I pumped out two reps of my previous personal max which I could usually only pump out once or twice before doing any sets of chest exercises. My workout today was obviously more intense then it has ever been. Prob not due to the SD yet, but the SD will surely take advantage of my increase in intensity. My pumps were really solid.

One weird observation I made was usually when I workout at this gym over the summer, the benches there seem to stress my neck or something, and when I do incline or flat bench on high weights I usually get a pinching feeling on like a nerve in my neck. Did not feel that at all today and these were the highest weights I have ever put up...just a weird observation.

An overall solid day. Tommorow I will hit Back and Abs. Gonna keep my calorie and protein count high.

As for before and after pics I didn't have a digital camera on hand when I started the thread but when I finish the log I will post after pics and post before pics that were taken recently that will be pretty accurate to how I looked at the beggining of the cycle.

Thanks again guys for all the encouragement! Cycle started off great, keep ya all updated!

[Krzna]

Nice detail in your log. Hope the tooth becomes better. You will be under some real strong painkillers, I am not sure what to tell you during that time. Maybe some one more qualified will be able to help.

The neck part of it is probably posture, when you exert too much on a flat/incline bench you tend to pull your neck subconciously. When you feel stronger, guess you don't do it as much. I get that problem during the shoulder press on the ISO machine.

Good you are eating, make sure you eat with good intervals and keep the intake small and rich so that it is easily assimilated by your system. Make sure to keep the fats and simple carbs in the morning ( assuming you don't workout in the mornin) and the proteins and complex carbs all through the day.

Throw in a spoon or two of peanut butter before you sleep at night, helps to slow down the digestion and even it out. If by anychance, you feel your system is not accepting so much of food due to the protein, look into partitioning agents like methoxyisoflavione, they are very important for ppl whose system just does not take in food at one shot.

Remember to take in lots of water. The more water you take the safer you are. Also when you have that tooth extraction and lose blood make sure your immunity is at its best and you take in lotsa water. Keep that Vit C @ 3g a day.

[ellipticer]

2. 2 Tabs/Day Omega 3-6-9

Does this = 2 grams of EFA? I would suggest increasing that; at your size, 6 to 8 grams per day is the typical amount.

[Krzna]

Does this = 2 grams of EFA? I would suggest increasing that; at your size, 6 to 8 grams per day is the typical amount.

Yep ellipticer is right am not sure about the brand but his intake suggestion is correct.
Also throw in like 3 tsps of Flaxseed oil with your salad. Don't cook it.

[31joe31]

Thanks for the input guys!

Ellipticer - I'm gonna increase my Omega 3-6-9 to 3 servings of 2 pills per day which will yeild 7.2g of EFA's per day. Thanks for the heads up...i was kinda iffy about how much EFA to take in a day.

Krzna - gonna def throw in some Flax Oil in my salads. Saw some real cheap flax at Walgreens gonna buy some today. Also gonna go ahead and do the two spoonfulls of peanut butter before bed.

Feelin great today! Got about 7 hours of sleep give or take (aimin for 8hrs each night) but it felt like a real deep sleep. Usually when I wake up for work in the morning I am dead and must always have coffee in the morning otherwise the first 3hrs of work will be terrible. Not the case today. Woke up at 7 and had a ton of energy, ate a big breakfast, protein shake and headed to work. 2nd day in a row without coffee, much more natural energy. Been at work all day and my pumps still feel large, my muscles all tight, lovin it.

I gotta buy more whey protein today. I'm goin through a 2lb tub in 4-5 days! I think the most expensive part of the cycle is not the main supps that people think about (the SD and all the stuff u buy to take care of sides) but the damn building blocks...the PROTEIN and the FOOD. I swear my mom goes grocery shopping like once every 4 days cuz I'm eating everything! lol Thank God I'm livin at home for the summer instead of at college...I would be broke!

As for the tooth...it still hurts like hell today. Took some advil again. I'm headin to the dentist in a couple hours to see whats up with it. I'm kinda skeptical with taken perscription painkillers while on SD, just don't know what it will do to my body, liver...etc, if anything. I'm gonna ask my dentist but I doubt he'll know the right answer just because most doctors aren't too familiar with supplements. I hopin I don't have to get surgery, I don't want it to affect my cycle lol. But I was talkin to my friend who got all 4 of his wisdom teeth out last year and said he recovered in one day and went out to party the night he got them out....so I guess it depends on the person but we'll see what happens.

I'll keep you guys posted. Gonna hit the gym real hard today! Real pumped up, lovin it so far.

[31joe31]

Wow! I remember reading someones comment about taking creatine while on SD. They said the pumps are painful....and man were they right. Holy ****in ****! Did bi's and abs today. Ab workout was great and intense. I did my first back exercise which was rows....after my 3rd set i thought my bicepts were going to explode! I was worried about doing a fourth set cuz i thought my muscle was going to tare through my skin lol, but i did it anyways. Can't wait to see how they feel after my arms day. I love it, the pumps are awesome! Workout was real intense again, I feel real pumped when I'm at the gym.

I was starting to feel those dreaded SD "back pumps" though. Tried to do some deadlifts, could only get one set out, my lower back was on fire. If anybody has some alternative lower back exercises please sent them this way.

Weighed in at 167.5 today, up .5 lbs from yesterday. Still feelin good. Bought some more whey today (goin through that stuff like its water). Diet was just alright today. Ran out of bread and milk so missed 1 meal and a protein shake. Gonna buy more tommorow though.

Gonna up my RYR w/ CoQ10 to four pills a day instead of two yeilding 2.4 g of RYR a day...if that sounds insufficient or incorrect let me know.

EDIT: gonna keep the RYR at 1.2 g a day.

Also bought some hawthrone berry today cuz I still haven't been able to find celery seed in local stores. Gonna take 500mg a day for that, maybe 1000mg....if anyone has a recommendations for how much HB it would be greatly appreciated.

EDIT: gonna take 1000mg of HB a day.

Sides so far:

- Sweating more than usual at work for some reason
- Mild lower back pumps (not really painful though)
- Peeing a lot (i'm guessing its from the increased water intake and creatine...gonna space out my creatine servings more)
- insane pumps! whooo hoo!

As for the tooth.....I went to the dentist today and suprise suprise! gotta get all four wisdom teeth out. I gotta call this specialist and set up an appointment for the surgergy. However....I had been taking about 2 advil a day for my tooth pain (one in the morning one in the afternoon, and sometimes at night too)...but today I just took one in the morning cuz it hurt a lot, but didn't take anymore after that, and my tooth didn't hurt anymore. It could be that it was just poking through the gum or something not sure...or maybe the superdrol made my gums stronger too lol. just playin. Well because the pain is gone I'm prob gonna schedule my appointment for after or more towards the end of my PCT so that it doesn't really interfere with the cycle. Just gonna have to suck up whatver pain I feel in the meantime. I figure my teeth won't be too affected by the wisdom teeth in only 5 weeks.

Just ate my two scoops of peanut butter and gonna head to bed. Update again tommorow.

[McDugan]

Subscribes, I got your original post on my stick too, great info going all round.

[ellipticer]

However....I had been taking about 2 advil a day for my tooth pain

As your liver is undergoing heavy stress already, you may want to re-think the use of painkillers. Acetominaphen (Tylenol) is said to be more hepatoxic than Ibuprofen (Advil) but I would avoid ingesting anything unnecessary.

[31joe31]

Thanks Ellipticer. I only took the advil for two days. I have stopped taking them as of yesterday afternoon. Took none today. Yeah when I was deciding what to take for the pain I chose the advil over the tylenol because the tylenol had a liver warning on it.

Thanks for the info it is greatly appreciated.

What was that about in the article saying that RYR and CoQ10 could be bad for the liver too? Seeing that I'm taking those along with superdrol....hmmm.

Thanks again for lookin out.

[McDugan]

Krnza and others,

Figure this is a good place to ask this.

I was in my basic college nutrition class and we were talking about excess protien and kidney damage. As this convo went on, I thought back on all the posts on here about the people who are pissing brown and have the back ache (kidney ache). I don't think I've seen it mentioned that it may just be to much protien.

We all understand that protien intake needs to rise while on SD and similar products, but if someone doesn't keep track, and just goes mega hoss on protien, could that cause kidney damage in the month long cycle time?

Just a thought, I was curious if that was the reason for the brown wiz and the kidney aches. Could be something more simple then a supp overload.

[31joe31]

Another solid day. Diet was great, ate a ton. Still at 167.5lbs. Did legs and shoulders today. Pumps were great in the gym. Squats felt great and my calf workout was great as well. Was a little tired from work though so didn't have as much energy in the gym as I usually do. I took my SD at a different time today, around 1pm instead of my usual time (which is about 30min before I go to the gym at like 6:30pm). I'm wondering if I feel that extra burst of intensity in the gym only if I take the SD right before the workout. Either way, tommorow I'm gonna take my SD at the normal time before I work out again.

Oh and my tooth does not hurt anymore! Just a little pressure on the gums thats about it....so def off those painkillers and can def put off the surgery till after my cycle.

Oh and I also bought some N-Acetyl-Cysteine for my liver. Gonna start taking that at 1000mg along with the milk thistle at 1000mg. I was kinda weary about just doin milk thistle for my liver so just wanted to be safe. I know its prob not a big deal but when it comes to my liver I just don't want to mess around too much. I should get it on monday right before I up the dosage to 20mg and the toxicity is greater.

Tommorow is an off day so I am gonna try to eat a lot, take a lot of protein, and get a lot of rest. Another update tommorow.

[Krzna]

Krnza and others,

Figure this is a good place to ask this.

I was in my basic college nutrition class and we were talking about excess protien and kidney damage. As this convo went on, I thought back on all the posts on here about the people who are pissing brown and have the back ache (kidney ache). I don't think I've seen it mentioned that it may just be to much protien.

We all understand that protien intake needs to rise while on SD and similar products, but if someone doesn't keep track, and just goes mega hoss on protien, could that cause kidney damage in the month long cycle time?

Just a thought, I was curious if that was the reason for the brown wiz and the kidney aches. Could be something more simple then a supp overload.

Back ache from ph levels is because of shortage of Potassium. A way to counter this is to take a banana after your preworkout PH intake. The carbs in the banana help with the pump too and give u the little bit extra energy.
Yes some people shoot up directly from an intake of 50g of protein ED to 400g ED on cycle. The body will not be able to assimilate this intake. That is the reason why many end up with bad bowels while on protein concentrated diets.
The key to this is cycle planning. Up your caloric intake slowly like a ramp even before the cycle so that ON cycle you are around 4500 cals at 250-300g protein.Also the key to protein assimilation is the prescence of PARTIONING AGENTS like methoxyisoflavione. Am yet to hear of anyones kidney failure due to a protein intake though.

[ellipticer]

What was that about in the article saying that RYR and CoQ10 could be bad for the liver too? Seeing that I'm taking those along with superdrol....hmmm.

I'm not a medical doctor nor an expert... but it is my understanding that nearly every pill that goes in your mouth affects your liver in some way. It is the processing and filtering plant for your body; so it will take a hit from every supplement and every addition to your cycle. That makes me question the common addition of 6 to 8 support supplements for a product that is already stressing to your liver.

As that article pointed out, RYR and Coq10, which are taken for their cholesterol and heart benefits, are actually damaging your liver at the same time as well. I don't think anything short of controlled scientific studies would tell us exactly what ancillaries you should and should not take to support an oral methylated cycle.

[31joe31]

Yeah makes sense Ellipticer. Everything you swallow will get filtered by the liver. The real question is just how toxic each supp is I guess. I think in this case Superdrol messes with cholesterol more than RYR messes with the liver, so RYR's cholesterol benifit will outweigh it's slight "toxicity" I guess..thanks for the info man it is greatly appreciated.

[31joe31]

Little update:

Yesterday was an off day, so just rested and ate a lot. Diet was right on target. Took my SD around 530pm. Went out with some friends to go see fantastic four (jessica alba is real hot). Felt this little overwhelming feeling, or like antsy/jittery feeling when I was in the theater, but not really that big of a deal. After that my friends all went to this party and were all drinking. I was walking around with a bottle of water lol. I got bored after a while and went home early, ate a meal, had a protein shake and went to bed.

Got a lot of sleep last night which I think my body needed. Today is arms day and I'm real excited. Gonna head off to the gym right now and update the log after. Also gonna weigh myself today.

Sides so far: Nothing out of the ordinary. My lips were dry/chapped for like the past two days, but just started drinking more water and it went away.

[31joe31]

all I can say about my workout today is that my arms felt like they were gonna explode! lol, the pumps were awesome. Solid workout, intensity was pretty good throughout the whole thing. Took my SD about 30min prior to workout with a bannana which I heard will help prevent the SD back pain.

Weighed myself today at 171lbs. Up 7 pounds so far....I bet a lot of the weight is water weight/bloating from the creatine though. Still good progress though. Arms starting to look a little bit bigger, strength and intensity is up a lot. Recovery time is really good too. Today was one of the most intense workouts I have ever done on my arms and right now my arms are not sore at all, I feel like I could go back to the gym and do them again lol.

Tommorow is an off day. Prob just gonna go to the gym for like a half an hour and do some abs, eat, and rest.

Be back tommorow.

Sides so far: nothing unusual

[31joe31]

Sunday was day six and was an off day. I rested a lot and ate a lot. Overall a relaxing day. However Sunday night had a little trouble sleeping. I woke up like every hour to piss.

Monday was my first day on the 20mg/day dosage. Diet was right on schedule. Took my first 10mg at around 2pm and second around 630pm. Did chest and abs. Incline kinda sucked buy did great on flat bench, crosses, and decline. Intensity was not as good as usual but still got a good lift in.

Still hovering around 171lbs.

Only sides so far that I am experiencing is a little acne on my right shoulder. No real lower back pains yet. I usually eat a bannana after my SD dose.

Update again tommorow.

[vegHead]

hey bro good job so far and good luck with that rest of your log. I jsut have one question you said your takin3/4/5 pills of fenugreek a day. Just wondering how much that is in grams? just curious. thanks

[31joe31]

tplant - thanks for the encouragement bro! 3/4/5 pills of fenugreek in my PCT will correspond to 1.8/2.4/3.0 g.

Alright little update, yesterday was back and abs and was another solid workout. My streangth is still goin up, I am doing more weight each workout. The pumps at the gym were very solid as well. I'm still at 171lbs but I can see myself gettin more leaner and more vascular...so hopefully I am still gaining muscle while loosing fat. Diet was ok last night. I'm tryin to pack in as many calories as possible every day, I feel like I am eating all the time. If I am not eating then I am sleeping or working out. I almost threw up again yesterday when I was trying to each so much lol.

Sides so far: Still just a little acne on right shoulder. Oh and I forgot to mention but for the past four-five days I have been horny as all hell. Weird cuz I was expecting a loss in libido from checking other people's logs. However, I read the SD Writeup thread again and it said many testers experienced an increased libido while on cycle so I guess this is normal.

Alright another update again tommorow.

[31joe31]

Hey guys, yesterday was an off day. Just rested and ate all day. Got real angry at my mom cuz she brought home McDonalds for dinner and I was like are you ****ing kidding me?! lol I felt bad though and apologized. So I went to the store and bought myself a steak instead.

I feel real rested today. Got a solid 8 1/2 hours of sleep last night and feel real refreshed. I work out shoulders and legs today so I will update again after my workout.

lata

[ellipticer]

"Mom, I'm on steroids-- McDonalds is not the type of fuel I need to power my gains!"

[Mister_A]

"Mom, I'm on steroids-- McDonalds is not the type of fuel I need to power my gains!"

"Come on mom. . . what were you thinking?"

[cobain67]

no offense dude, but honestly when you started your cycle, being 6'0 160lbs, you were nowhere near in need of something like superdrol.. You should have waited until you got a bit bigger first, because now there is a possibility that when you come off your hormonal homeostasis is going to be screwed, and your capabilities of gaining naturally could be dramatically impacted.. Just a thought.. Well, I hope you do well with this and keep every last pound you gain..

[31joe31]

Today was an alright day in the gym today. Worked the shoulders real well. When it came time to do legs though the gym started to close so only got 4 sets of squats in for legs. But i was very impressed cuz my squats have gone up 60lbs.

I was pretty tired when i got to the gym however but was still happy overall with my intensity durring my workout. I just bought some low carb monsters to down before i go to the gym each day so hopefully the caffinee will give me an extra boost. Its just tough cuz I workout after work and my job is real real boring so I'm pretty tired when I get home.

Ate a lot today: 4 egg whites this morning with 3 peices toast and 2 servings oatmeal. First lunch had 2 peanut butter sandwiches 3 snackwell bars and a double scoop protein shake. 2nd lunch 2 turkey sandwiches and a bannana. Preworkout had a double scoop protein shake, a steak, and some pasta. Post workout had a double scoop protein shake and 2 tuna sandwiches. Gonna go make myself a salad with some flax oil over it, prob try to squeez in another protein shake, then prob finish off with a couple scoops of peanut butter before I go to bed.

Gonna try to eat as much as possible all the time and keep it consistent. I wanna pack in some more food I just feel like there is not enough time in the day.

Oh and weighed myself today....174lbs, 10lbs up from beggining of cycle, so its lookin good so far, just gotta keep it goin.

Sides so far: Still nothin but mild acne on my upper back/shoulders. Not feelin the dreaded SD back pumps at all. Thought I felt them earlier in the cycle but it was just a result of doin lower back in the gym that day.

lata

[31joe31]

Yesterday was a VERY good workout. Did arms. I was pretty tired after work but drank a sugar free red bull before my workout and it def gave me the intensity i needed. The pumps at the gym were insane! It was almost a bad thing cuz I would finish my first exercise for tri's and my arms were so pumped that I felt like there was no way I could do more. But I still did anyways. I get pissed off though when I get home a little bit later and there was no more pump and I felt like I could go and do more arms and I would wonder if I really worked my arms enough at the gym. Was a very intense workout though, I was very pleased. Also weighed myself, up to 175lbs...up 11lbs.

Got some compliments at work yesterday saying that I look bigger. That made me happy lol.

Diet sucked yesterday, no more food in my house. I had to go shopping again today. Been trying to make up for it today though.

Sides are still the same, nothin too major, except yesterday I was really really irritated and angry. I don't know if I was just in a really bad mood or if it was the SD. I'm usually a really easy goin guy so it was kinda weird. I was just gettin pissed off at the dumbest things in the world. I blew up at my mom again, my friend who was honking the horn outside my house to pick me up....I just went off on him, I was like "i know your ****ing here you don't have to honk the ****ing horn fifty thousand times", and he was like Joe? what the ****?...lol weird. Oh and then I wanted to beat the **** out of one of the guys who works at my gym, he is such a little ****er, hes one of those guys who comes in to like hang out even when he's not working (or working out for that matter), but he thinks he so damn tight... ****ing get a life.

Today I feel fine though, nothin bad at all.

Today is an off day so I got a lot of well deserved sleep and ate food all day.

Another update tommorow.

Lata