whats better for delt mass? military press or arnold press?

[pedroso]

which one?

[JoeDirtBody]

military press.

[$AJ]

clean and press

and arnold pres sblows - don't do it - serious safety risks.

[Uriel_da_man]

I don't do neyther anymore - both hurt my right shoulder. BTN is more effective and feels a lot more comfortable (to me at least).

[nick912]

I don't do neyther anymore - both hurt my right shoulder. BTN is more effective and feels a lot more comfortable (to me at least).

For some reason BTN feels soo uncomfortable to me. weird

[Spud]

and arnold pres sblows - don't do it - serious safety risks.

Agree, how about good ol fashion overhead DB presses.

[Uriel_da_man]

For some reason BTN feels soo uncomfortable to me. weird

It does to most people. You'll just have to work your flexibility if you want to do them.

[Old Man Big]

i prefer military/ db press.
hate arnold press
hate behind neck press.

but thats just me.

[nick912]

It does to most people. You'll just have to work your flexibility if you want to do them.

right on!

[Juggernaut33]

I prefer Military Presses as well.

[niCe99]

Push Press.

[mindraper]

Ahnold prezz is more likely to cause you to loose delt mass... You'll be injured and miss 3months of delt workouts

[phonebook123]

clean and press

and arnold pres sblows - don't do it - serious safety risks.

I disagree, If you train your rotator cuffs, you should have no problem with doing Arnold Presses. Needless to say I've had great gains from doing seated military press and Arnold presses.

[$AJ]

I disagree, If you train your rotator cuffs, you should have no problem with doing Arnold Presses. Needless to say I've had great gains from doing seated military press and Arnold presses.

doesn't matter how strong your r/c is.....it's a ****ty movement....not meant to move shoulder though those planes with that much weight (and no, it doesn't matter if you use a reallllllllllllllllllllllly light weight and go for reps). it's a clear cut ****ty movement; if you think otherwise, u really lack kinesiology (or similar) knowledge.

[irishrunt]

i prefer military/ db press.
hate arnold press
hate behind neck press.

but thats just me.

^^^^exactly the same for me

[cutlerfan]

doesn't matter how strong your r/c is.....it's a ****ty movement....not meant to move shoulder though those planes with that much weight (and no, it doesn't matter if you use a reallllllllllllllllllllllly light weight and go for reps). it's a clear cut ****ty movement; if you think otherwise, u really lack kinesiology (or similar) knowledge.

Just out of curiousity.... what exercises do you do? It seems like every time somebody comes on here with an exercise question you automatically say it is a ****ty movement and that it isn't a natural movement. You claim to be a Kinesiology expert but in all honesty you don't know **** about anything. By the way..... upright rows ARE good exercises.

[Lion Heart]

Food

[Dominik]

Just out of curiousity.... what exercises do you do? It seems like every time somebody comes on here with an exercise question you automatically say it is a ****ty movement and that it isn't a natural movement. You claim to be a Kinesiology expert but in all honesty you don't know **** about anything. By the way..... upright rows ARE good exercises.

I've got to go out to bat for AJ here... he is giving you an idea of which exercises have a higher level of risk involved. If you want to keep on doing them, that's fine, but at least you can't say later that nobody warned you.

It's a shame most exercise sites/books don't include risk-to-benefit ratios for all the exercises they illustrate. Bench press for example is a risky exercise but of course the benefits outweigh the risks, provided you exercise care doing them and keep an eye on the elbows, etc. And AJ mentions all this stuff. You don't have to agree with everything he says but at least he's giving you the option of re-evaluating certain exercises. I dropped upright rows because I no longer saw benefits that outweighed the r/c injury risks. It's entirely up to you which exercises you choose to do or not do. It's your body.

[cutlerfan]

Its not that I think he is wrong on all things but I hate people who bash something and then neglect to give better alternatives or "real" scientific evidence as to why its bad.


I could go on and on about why an exercise is bad but fail to give an alternative then have I really helped anyone out? no. AJ just runs his mouth and doesn't end up helping anyone out in the long run. I would probably listen to him if he gave some reasoning and alternatives.

[$AJ]

Just out of curiousity.... what exercises do you do? It seems like every time somebody comes on here with an exercise question you automatically say it is a ****ty movement and that it isn't a natural movement. You claim to be a Kinesiology expert but in all honesty you don't know **** about anything. By the way..... upright rows ARE good exercises.

i don't claim to be a kinesiology expert, just know some of it

upright row does not allow sufficient space for the greater tubercle to clear the acromium = impginment = bad

[bigfurnka]

I could go on and on about why an exercise is bad but fail to give an alternative then have I really helped anyone out? no. AJ just runs his mouth and doesn't end up helping anyone out in the long run. I would probably listen to him if he gave some reasoning and alternatives.

because in the end, if youve prevented someone from getting injured, you havent actually helped them...

[tiny.t]

Just out of curiousity.... what exercises do you do? It seems like every time somebody comes on here with an exercise question you automatically say it is a ****ty movement and that it isn't a natural movement. You claim to be a Kinesiology expert but in all honesty you don't know **** about anything. By the way..... upright rows ARE good exercises.

I was like you at one point.Geuss what?I don't do upright rows no more.I was fine with them ever since i started,then bam one workout they just thrashed my rc,it felt like deep in my shoulder something was just grinding away like a pestal and mortar.It might not happen next workout,or even the one after, or ever.But if it does,just remeber the gracious words of "Told you so".

Newho,i prefer mils, i switch up to btn when im feeling sassy,but partial rep mil presses have given me the best i have ever had in delt size/strength.

[phonebook123]

doesn't matter how strong your r/c is.....it's a ****ty movement....not meant to move shoulder though those planes with that much weight (and no, it doesn't matter if you use a reallllllllllllllllllllllly light weight and go for reps). it's a clear cut ****ty movement; if you think otherwise, u really lack kinesiology (or similar) knowledge.

Do you have a degree? If so from where, and what was your major? I don't really care if you think it is a ****ty movement. It works for me, and a lot of other people. If your rotator cuffs are strong, and you use good form on Arnolds you won't have a problem. I've been doing them for years with no problem, as have numerous other pros.

[phonebook123]

I've got to go out to bat for AJ here... he is giving you an idea of which exercises have a higher level of risk involved. If you want to keep on doing them, that's fine, but at least you can't say later that nobody warned you.

It's a shame most exercise sites/books don't include risk-to-benefit ratios for all the exercises they illustrate. Bench press for example is a risky exercise but of course the benefits outweigh the risks, provided you exercise care doing them and keep an eye on the elbows, etc. And AJ mentions all this stuff. You don't have to agree with everything he says but at least he's giving you the option of re-evaluating certain exercises. I dropped upright rows because I no longer saw benefits that outweighed the r/c injury risks. It's entirely up to you which exercises you choose to do or not do. It's your body.

The thing is he doesn't site why. He plugs his book in, and I don't believe he has any credentials. Sure people can say anything is a risky movement, but that doesn't mean it's not beneficial. If you use proper form, and make sure to train your core, rotator cuff, and take time you shouldn't have a problem with most lifts. I have no problem when AJ gives good advice, but to him nothing is good unless it's his way, and his way isn't the only way nor is it 100% correct.

[CaptainCode]

Did Arnold injure himself doing those presses? I think maybe if you don't do it right then they could hurt you but he did them and said they were his favourite excercise for shoulders(not a big surprise) so you know he did them a lot.

[A-rod]

Clean and presses or lateral raises !

[$AJ]

The thing is he doesn't site why. He plugs his book in, and I don't believe he has any credentials. Sure people can say anything is a risky movement, but that doesn't mean it's not beneficial. If you use proper form, and make sure to train your core, rotator cuff, and take time you shouldn't have a problem with most lifts. I have no problem when AJ gives good advice, but to him nothing is good unless it's his way, and his way isn't the only way nor is it 100% correct.

guess what - i'm tired of citing why this or that is bad. I used to post that way back in 99 and 00, but guess what - this is 5 ****ing years later and i'm tired of it. i'm not writting 10page responses to questions anymore; i have better things to do; i've already proven why, in the past with step-by-step details, something is bad; If you don't want to believe me, then YOU prove me wrong.

If you think benching with a supppppppppppppppppppppppppper wide grip is !OKAY! for shoulders and r/c, don't ****ing sit there and go 'It's fine because I think it's fine', EXPLAIN using anatomy why it's fine. I'm sick of the only reason people giving is 'durrrr, it's fine because i think it's fine and i've done it for a year and my shoulder hasn't fallen off yet, durrrrrr'

my way isn't the only way - i used to think that DC sucked, but I didn't say anything against people who trained that way. Now i like it; and unless somebody's doing something ****ing stupid like HIT or 20sets for biceps, i don't say much other than likey or no likey

Do you have a degree? If so from where, and what was your major? I don't really care if you think it is a ****ty movement. It works for me, and a lot of other people. If your rotator cuffs are strong, and you use good form on Arnolds you won't have a problem. I've been doing them for years with no problem, as have numerous other pros.

and i don't really care that you think they're fine. they arn't. jeese, funny, people with designations like CSCS and doing masters in kinesiology agree with me....wait, we must all be wrong, because musclemag endores them!!!!!!!!!!

chripes, i really wish sometimes that these movements caused serious injury the first time you did them, not a decade later from chronic and cumulative built-up damage.....then i wouldn't have to roll my eyes at people for 10 or 15yrs before they get hurt.

i have a few personal training certifications(most of which lapsed because i only did them for fun yearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs ago), CFA, a CIP, FCIP, Bsc in actuarial science and statistics and doing a msters in stats

Did Arnold injure himself doing those presses? I think maybe if you don't do it right then they could hurt you but he did them and said they were his favourite excercise for shoulders(not a big surprise) so you know he did them a lot.

OMG.
OMFG
This post is so god damned ****ing stupid. ****, i'm not even going to write a response to this. CONGRATULATIONS! Somebody has finally made a post that makes me so disgusted with them that I can't be bothered to write anything. Unless you've only been training for a few months, you should be embarrassed by what you just wrote.

[JFP2026]

guess what - i'm tired of citing why this or that is bad. I used to post that way back in 99 and 00, but guess what - this is 5 ****ing years later and i'm tired of it. i'm not writting 10page responses to questions anymore; i have better things to do; i've already proven why, in the past with step-by-step details, something is bad; If you don't want to believe me, then YOU prove me wrong.

If you think benching with a supppppppppppppppppppppppppper wide grip is !OKAY! for shoulders and r/c, don't ****ing sit there and go 'It's fine because I think it's fine', EXPLAIN using anatomy why it's fine. I'm sick of the only reason people giving is 'durrrr, it's fine because i think it's fine and i've done it for a year and my shoulder hasn't fallen off yet, durrrrrr'

my way isn't the only way - i used to think that DC sucked, but I didn't say anything against people who trained that way. Now i like it; and unless somebody's doing something ****ing stupid like HIT or 20sets for biceps, i don't say much other than likey or no likey




and i don't really care that you think they're fine. they arn't. jeese, funny, people with designations like CSCS and doing masters in kinesiology agree with me....wait, we must all be wrong, because musclemag endores them!!!!!!!!!!

chripes, i really wish sometimes that these movements caused serious injury the first time you did them, not a decade later from chronic and cumulative built-up damage.....then i wouldn't have to roll my eyes at people for 10 or 15yrs before they get hurt.

i have a few personal training certifications(most of which lapsed because i only did them for fun yearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs ago), CFA, a CIP, FCIP, Bsc in actuarial science and statistics and doing a msters in stats




OMG.
OMFG
This post is so god damned ****ing stupid. ****, i'm not even going to write a response to this. CONGRATULATIONS! Somebody has finally made a post that makes me so disgusted with them that I can't be bothered to write anything. Unless you've only been training for a few months, you should be embarrassed by what you just wrote.

LMFAO, I'm with you.

I've been here a few years and AJ always gives great advice.

[BB2K]

Daaaayyyyuuuummm Get'em boy. I agree with you. As someone with experience in the rotar cuff area. Arnold presses and wide grip benches will F*** you up BAD. I listened to the freekin idiots that said these were great mass builders and that I would grow like a weed. Bull crap. I did have people try to tell me that they were not normal moves of the body and that they would hurt me, now or later. I thought they were crazy and did not listen. I believed the dumbass gym owner (lee rorie of lee's fitness in rockingham nc) thanks *******. I have to say I do not like the scars from the shoulder surgeries I got...on both shoulders! Also, going heavy all the time is bull crap too. I also believed that go heavy or go home crap. Now I have sat at home with a busted knee for almost a year and a half. 3 freekin surgeries on my right knee. Doc said it was from using such heavy weight all the time. Wore my joints down to nothing...oh yeah go heavy or go home...bs. If you want to get big and strong...eat right...read up on anatomy and learn what "really works" try to give old aj a listen, he knows what he is saying. Once I heal I will go allot lighter and cycle the weights heavy then light then heavy etc. I will never be able to squat, leg press or leg anything. And no more arnold anything...besides arnold was not as great as everyone made him out to be. Columbo and zane blew him away on stage.

[Lion Heart]

I wouldn't say HIT or 20 sets for biceps are bad if they work for that person. Cause in the end it's YOU that matters.