Tendinitis and Tendinosis

kb4ever · 10-22-2007, 11:22 AM

So I have tendinits in my left wrist and tendinosis in my right wrist, and rest has not been helpful so I have decided to do some low weight, high rep exercises to help recover. Is this a good idea, will it help or worsen my problem?

Just to get some background info on my situation:I've had tendinosis in my right wrist for a year now and have not trained for a year as a result of it. And I've had tendinitis in my left wrist for a couple of months and as a result I have basically not used it for anything more physical than typing. The doctor told me that resting it too much might have resulted in me getting tendinitis in my left wrist. I have taken Super Cissus Rx for 3 months now with no avail, in the past I have taken glucosamine and chondroitin with no affects and I am getting to a point where I think I will never heal and be able to lift again, its getting really fustrating.

groovyslick · 10-23-2007, 05:33 AM

try a good massage therapist... tell them to work all the muscles of the forearm..there are alot otherwise I would name them for ya.. do deep tissue massage with stretching. if you need any other advice feel free to email me. If it is tedonitis yout need to massage out the tightness and stretch the hell out of it for a number of months for it to heal...tendons dont have the same amount of blood supply as muscles so they take alot longer to heal.

I am not trying to advertise but if anyone is in the dfw metro with problems like these feel free to email me and I will help all I can either by working on you or refering you to another great therapist.

good luck

jason

kb4ever · 10-23-2007, 05:38 PM

Thanks for the reply, I gonna give it a try but isn't massage therapy expensive as hell?

groovyslick · 10-23-2007, 07:39 PM

depends on where you are and the therapist you see.. I wish I could say that the better ones are more expensive..but that is not the case here in texas..

most fall in the range of $60-$100 per session.

jason

Scarback · 10-23-2007, 08:31 PM

I'm a powerlifter who recently decided to try a plan more geared towards bodybuilding. I decided to start my workout with incline, eventhough I usually did flat bench or some variation of it, heavy or dynamic, when I was training for powerlifting. I warmed up well and did 185x10, 205x10, and then I started my set with 225. Keep in mind I can hit 225 around 30 or more times on flat bench so it is still relatively light on incline. On my 4th rep, the left part of my chest gave out and my spotter had to pull the weight off. This scared the tar out of me because I've been able to work my way up to a 500 pound squat and a 390 pound bench without injury. Since that fateful set the tendon by my arm pit that you can really feel when u flex your chest has been hurting. I can do pushups and dips with my bodyweight but theyre not enough to cause any real strain. I've took some time off and decided to see the doctor. She didnt really know anything about lifting and said it was tendonitis. For one thing, I'd like to know if tendonitis can hit you that quick? Also has anyone else had a similar problem. Any responses would be much appreciated.

groovyslick · 10-23-2007, 09:02 PM

sounds like a strain to me.

stretch it and give it some rest..maybe 3 weeks or so.

thats my 2 cents

DJINN · 10-23-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarback

I'm a powerlifter who recently decided to try a plan more geared towards bodybuilding. I decided to start my workout with incline, eventhough I usually did flat bench or some variation of it, heavy or dynamic, when I was training for powerlifting. I warmed up well and did 185x10, 205x10, and then I started my set with 225. Keep in mind I can hit 225 around 30 or more times on flat bench so it is still relatively light on incline. On my 4th rep, the left part of my chest gave out and my spotter had to pull the weight off. This scared the tar out of me because I've been able to work my way up to a 500 pound squat and a 390 pound bench without injury. Since that fateful set the tendon by my arm pit that you can really feel when u flex your chest has been hurting. I can do pushups and dips with my bodyweight but theyre not enough to cause any real strain. I've took some time off and decided to see the doctor. She didnt really know anything about lifting and said it was tendonitis. For one thing, I'd like to know if tendonitis can hit you that quick? Also has anyone else had a similar problem. Any responses would be much appreciated.

No offense to your doctor, but she really has no clue here. In your case, your injury was acute...it was a direct result of your incline benching and more than likely is a strain near the region of the pec insertion point. Microtears can occur that cumulatively lead to injury or as in this case, occur as a result of indirect force. Tendinitis is a generic term that simply refers to the inflammation of a tendon secondary to chronic trauma.

Go easy with your time off and NSAIDs as necessary. Depending on how severe your strain is, you may be able to hop back in gingerly with light strengthening and ROM. Progress slowly, very slowly back into heavier movements and back off when your body gives you warning signs such as pain.

These are just a few general thoughts...

Scarback · 10-23-2007, 09:18 PM

Thanks for the response DJINN. Yeah she assumed I got hurt lifting boxes, and I'd like to think I look like I lift weights. I think I'm going to give presses another week or two off. Fortunately, I've still been able to arms and legs, with some pressure felt when I use my chest to keep my upper body still during curls. To put it frankly, this scared the **** out of me. Do you think I have a chance of recovering within the next for weeks, or is this one of those dreaded injuries that will take a lot of time? This scares me since I feel like theres pain in the tendon. What do you think?

DJINN · 10-23-2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kb4ever

So I have tendinits in my left wrist and tendinosis in my right wrist, and rest has not been helpful so I have decided to do some low weight, high rep exercises to help recover. Is this a good idea, will it help or worsen my problem?

Are you certain you have those conditions? Have all other, more specific possibilities been ruled out? Carpal Tunnel? de Quervains? Tenosynovitis?

DJINN · 10-23-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarback

Do you think I have a chance of recovering within the next for weeks, or is this one of those dreaded injuries that will take a lot of time? This scares me since I feel like theres pain in the tendon. What do you think?

Yes...but you won't be 100% quickly so take your time and get back into it slowly. I did the exact same thing on inclines a few years ago. I was on my 4th rep with 330 and the exact same thing happened on my left side. I took a week off and then came back with light weight and higher reps. I worked on ROM and light flexibility work. Then over time I began working my way back up in weight. The hardest part honestly, is rebuilding your confidence and getting over the paranoia that it'll happen again.

Scarback · 10-23-2007, 09:25 PM

Yeah. I'm really worried about it. It was just so odd to me as I was used to working with 300+ weight for flat bench heavy sets and worked with dynamic bench with bands a lot, the lift that seems to hinder some of my powerlifting friends progress. Not to push it or anything, but could you do shoulders, or did you just lay off all upper body for a while?

DJINN · 10-23-2007, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarback

Yeah. I'm really worried about it. It was just so odd to me as I was used to working with 300+ weight for flat bench heavy sets and worked with dynamic bench with bands a lot, the lift that seems to hinder some of my powerlifting friends progress. Not to push it or anything, but could you do shoulders, or did you just lay off all upper body for a while?

It was very hard for me not to do shoulders, but I couldn't...the discomfort was just too great. Here's an idiot for you (me)...I racked the weight (since I train by myself) then went on to do a modified version of my shoulders workout and then hit triceps...then suffered for my stubborn ways later.

Just take it easy and tell yourself that the only way you will get back to where you were and surpass that, is really to take a step back for now. Always use caution (lighter weights) when transitioning from a movement you've used forever (flats) to a new variation of that movement (incline)...there are different biomechanical principles at work and jumping right in on inclines at a seemingly light weight for flats can spell disaster.

Scarback · 10-23-2007, 09:39 PM

Yeah, I was to stubborn to avoid the discomfort and persisted to do arms today. Fortunately, I always look forward to leg days so at least I have something to do. Thanks a lot for the responses. I'm going to do everything I can to overcome this ailment and if sitting on my butt will do it I guess thats what I got to do. Just out of curiosity, what organization(s) do you compete in?

DJINN · 10-23-2007, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarback

Just out of curiosity, what organization(s) do you compete in?

I have yet to compete, but will be doing so in 2008. I have a few shows in mind in a few different organizations...much of my planning will be determined by how close the shows are to my location.

Good luck bro and shoot me a PM if you have any questions or just to let me know that you are all healed up and back at it.

shreddedx10 · 10-23-2007, 09:56 PM

i recommend stretching, it works for tendonitis!!

AutumnalPark · 10-23-2007, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kb4ever

So I have tendinits in my left wrist and tendinosis in my right wrist, and rest has not been helpful so I have decided to do some low weight, high rep exercises to help recover. Is this a good idea, will it help or worsen my problem?

Just to get some background info on my situation:I've had tendinosis in my right wrist for a year now and have not trained for a year as a result of it. And I've had tendinitis in my left wrist for a couple of months and as a result I have basically not used it for anything more physical than typing. The doctor told me that resting it too much might have resulted in me getting tendinitis in my left wrist. I have taken Super Cissus Rx for 3 months now with no avail, in the past I have taken glucosamine and chondroitin with no affects and I am getting to a point where I think I will never heal and be able to lift again, its getting really fustrating.

I am wondering who made those diagnoses, and why they have differentiated between tendinosis and tendonitis!

What caused the initial tendonitis??

kb4ever · 10-24-2007, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AutumnalPark

I am wondering who made those diagnoses, and why they have differentiated between tendinosis and tendonitis!

What caused the initial tendonitis??

My doctor(rheumatologist) diagnosed me with Tendinitis and Tendinosis. Like I said before I have had tendinosis for a year now and it was diagnosed after I had a MRI on my right wrist and recently I was diagnosed with tendinitis in my left wrist after seeing the doc again.

AutumnalPark · 10-24-2007, 06:33 PM

Very unusual to see tendinosis in the wrist, usually with more major tendons like knee and shoulder.

What caused the initial tendinosis a year ago?

Do you work in a clerical job?

kb4ever · 10-24-2007, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AutumnalPark

Very unusual to see tendinosis in the wrist, usually with more major tendons like knee and shoulder.

What caused the initial tendinosis a year ago?

Do you work in a clerical job?

I think it was due to the fact that I was really pushing myself in the gym and overtrained. And this combined with the fact that I was working fulltime and going to school fulltime lead to this injury. At work I do alot of heavy lifting aswell, so most of the time I only had time to train right after work or right before work which put alot of stress on my wrists. One other factor that played a role was that I didn't back off when I initially felt the pain in my wrist and tried to work through it, I got to a point where I couldn't even hold a dumbell in my hand because of the pain.

Bronzebird · 11-09-2007, 03:48 PM

Hello weight lifters. I'm new to taking weights serious and starting out slow. I've learned how strength is lost in order to rebuild stronger muscles. I work out in Martial Arts with Mainly Calisthenics and Aerobics. Stretching is dangerous if you push to hard, or if not warmed up body core temperature. As stated by Groovy Slick "tendons don't have the same amount of blood supply as muscles so they take a lot longer to heal." They are also easily aggravated if Over stretched. Listen to your body and when it comes to stretching Pain is not Gain. I use some excellent reference material from Black Belt Magazine. I did not buy that Months subscription from our Local Coffee/Book Store. However the reference book was in stock and I bought it. If your a Medical Terminologist or Laymen the book has Pictures(joke). The name is "Ultimate Flexibility" by Sang H.Kim Ph.D. IBSN#1-880336-83-9.
Not only is everybody part mentioned but their are several stretches and exercises for each digit, joint, and muscle group. I want you guys to get the best preventative medicine for injury and recovery by stimulating increased blood flow to tendons and muscles.
Thanks from the newbie.

tkahne88 · 06-27-2008, 01:07 PM

I went to a hand and wrist specialist and i was told that ive partially torn the tendon in my wrist. The tendon that shows when one gives the "thumbs up". the bottom of the two. I can see both in my right wrist but only one ine the other. I am not positive what i did to it because it was not an accute injury but i kept pushing through because there was no pain while lifting. after a while i would wake in the morning and the bottom joint in my thumb would pop in and out. then over time it was all day. its been well over 4 months and all i could come up with was deadlifts is how it happened. i have taken the last two weeks off and feel a little better but i still see no tendon but have full range of motion. what could it be.

Fresch · 06-28-2008, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by tkahne88

I went to a hand and wrist specialist and i was told that ive partially torn the tendon in my wrist. The tendon that shows when one gives the "thumbs up". the bottom of the two. I can see both in my right wrist but only one ine the other. I am not positive what i did to it because it was not an accute injury but i kept pushing through because there was no pain while lifting. after a while i would wake in the morning and the bottom joint in my thumb would pop in and out. then over time it was all day. its been well over 4 months and all i could come up with was deadlifts is how it happened. i have taken the last two weeks off and feel a little better but i still see no tendon but have full range of motion. what could it be.

DeQuervains tenosynovitis