Al Majlis

**Amu** · 01-15-2008, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by MWarsame

I'm ****lian. I was born Muslim

Nice

How close are ****lian and Arabic? I've heard that ****lians can't understand Arabic unless they study it?

**Sarek** · 01-15-2008, 04:33 PM

Jambo! Habari Ghani?

**_AdaM_** · 01-15-2008, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Amu

Nice

How close are ****lian and Arabic? I've heard that ****lians can't understand Arabic unless they study it?

Its very close to be honest. There are words that we use that are Arabic. But yea, we have to learn it and it becomes second language for us. Unfortunately, I was born in Saudi and I can't speak Arabic

**Amu** · 01-15-2008, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Sarek

Jambo! Habari Ghani?

Is that ****lian?

**_AdaM_** · 01-15-2008, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Amu

Is that ****lian?

I don't think so

**Amu** · 01-15-2008, 04:41 PM

Trance: Have you ever been to Mecca/Medina? What about you MWarsame?

**Sarek** · 01-15-2008, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Amu

Is that ****lian?

Swahili

I don't speak any one language fluently save for English and French (well poorly), I just know bits and pieces from whatever my parents speak

**_AdaM_** · 01-15-2008, 05:02 PM

**Amu** · 01-15-2008, 05:07 PM

Good clip:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...f+god+delusion

**FormVoltron88** · 01-15-2008, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by MWarsame

Its very close to be honest. There are words that we use that are Arabic. But yea, we have to learn it and it becomes second language for us. Unfortunately, I was born in Saudi and I can't speak Arabic

Whadeyah

**SYRIANKID** · 01-15-2008, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by TranceNRG

Last moments of Imam Hussain's life

The Last Farewell of Imam (p.b.u.h.)

Then Imam returned to the camp for the second time, bade farewell to his household (Ahlul Bayt). He asked them to remain patient, promised them divine reward, and ordered them to be ready to face the tragedies. He told them:
"Prepare yourself for facing the tragedies; know that Allah is you supporter and protector; would rescue from the evil of enemies very soon; would make the ultimate end of your affairs to good; would inflict upon your enemies different tragedies and calamities in return of pains and hardships suffered by you; would bless you with different bounties and greatness. Therefore don't complain and don't utter a word, which would result in devaliation of your worth and merits."

Then he said "Bring for me the old dress, which wouldn't be an object of greed for any one in order to wear it under my clothes, so that they would remove it from my body." They brought for him a short dress. Imam said: "No, this is the dress of the cheap people!" Then he took a used shirt, made some tears in it and wore it. Then he asked for a pajamas, tore it, and put it on. Imam Husain took this precaution, so that after his martyrdom the enemies shouldn't remove them from his body. When he wanted to go towards the battlefield, he looked at his small daughter with kindness. She had confined herself in a corner, away from the women, and was crying. He came near her. The following poetic verses portrait Imam's last farewell with his beloved daughter:

"Oh my dearest daughter! This is the last farewell, and our next meeting would be in the Paradise, Quit crying, and be prepare for the imprisonment; Make forbearance and goodness as your objective. In encountering, with my torn body upon the dust, And seeing the blood flowing from it - be patient."

Today I reviewed the biography and martyrdom of Imam Hussein (may God be pleased with him). Truly it was a tragedy among tragedies during those days, and the people who fought and killed him were criminals and probably demonic according to what they did to his body. The killers met a deserved fate and God showed us a glimpse of what awaits them as punishment of the grave and more.

**SYRIANKID** · 01-15-2008, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Amu

I don't think it means "uncle."

SK, could you clarify?

Yes it means uncle if you pronounce it a certain way.

**Amu** · 01-15-2008, 06:00 PM

SK: Have you ever completed a Hajj or Umrah? Have you visited Medina?

**SYRIANKID** · 01-15-2008, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by 2X-eed

So if you interpret the above as referring to Shias, we should kill them?

Historically you will find that Muslims dealt with Imam Ali (may God be pleased with him) along a spectrum.

Kharijites - Banu Ummaya - Ahl Al Sunnah - Shiites - Shiites offshoots like Rafidites/Ismaeilis/Alawites

Kharijites on one end of the spectrum wanted to kill him and physically opposed him, insulted him, belied his status and honor. They called him a disbeliever and called anyone who sided with him an innovator or disbeliever.

Rafidites/Ismaelies/Alawites went anywhere from deifying him to attributing his knowledge and presence to practically every moment of early Islamic history. The lesser of them called anyone who differed with him disbelievers and innovators and they defamed and insulted anyone who did not exaggerate and center their ideology around what they considered to be his disenfranchisement.

The Banu Ummaya and Shiites existed on opposite sides of an extremist political movements at the time. Many members of the Banu Ummaya were corrupt Muslims who insulted and defamed and in many cases attacked the family of the Prophet (pbut). The Shiites went to the other extreme of accusing everyone who lived in that part of the Earth as liars and innovators and a single group of untrustworthy hypocrites. They always considered it a conspiracy that Imam Ali (may God be pleased with him) was disenfranchised.

The Ahl Al Sunnah throughout this period repudiated all of these divergences and extremes. They consider that indeed Imam Ali (may God be pleased with him) was wrongfully abused and attacked on many instances, and that the people who fought him in the Battles of the Camel and Siffin were transgressors and oppressors but on mistaken juristic grounds and faulty juristic reasoning against his wisdom and correct stance, due to the chaotic circumstances of the time and the instigation of war by specific individuals. They consider all of these events particularly Prophecied, everything from the martyrdom of Omar to the martyrdom of Hussein (may God be pleased with him) as told by the Prophet (pbuh).

That is a brief summary.

**TranceNRG** · 01-15-2008, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by SYRIANKID

That is a brief summary.

Not surprisingly, in your story, the sunnis came out to be the most normal and the heroes of the history.

Clearly, your version of history AND your conveyance of it (your portrayal of shias) is skewed towards your own opinions.

Nonetheless, It was expected....

**SYRIANKID** · 01-15-2008, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by TranceNRG

Not surprisingly, in your story, the sunnis came out to be the most normal and the heroes of the history.

Clearly, your version of history AND your conveyance of it (your portrayal of shias) is skewed towards your own opinions.

Nonetheless, It was expected....

On an unrelated note, do you happen to know why Shia differ among themselves about who are Masoom and who the 12 Imams are?

**Amu** · 01-15-2008, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by TranceNRG

Not surprisingly, in your story, the sunnis came out to be the most normal and the heroes of the history.

Clearly, your version of history AND your conveyance of it (your portrayal of shias) is skewed towards your own opinions.

Nonetheless, It was expected....

When talking about all religions, you would consider Islam to be the most Truthful, wouldn't you?

**TranceNRG** · 01-15-2008, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by SYRIANKID

On an unrelated note, do you happen to know why Shia differ among themselves about who are Masoom and who the 12 Imams are?

Each group has its own specific set of reasons.
Nonetheless, it could be summed up to either not following the authentic hadiths or picking and choosing among the authentic hadiths. Similar situation as to how salafis are considered different within the sunni school.

**TranceNRG** · 01-15-2008, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Amu

When talking about all religions, you would consider Muslims to be the most Truthful, wouldn't you?

That depends on what each person considers truth to be.

So, as a muslim, yes...

**Amu** · 01-15-2008, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by TranceNRG

That depends on what each person considers truth to be.

So, as a muslim, yes...

Then he as a Sunni, would consider Sunnism to be the Truth. Why would he give importance or fame to deviant sects?

**TranceNRG** · 01-15-2008, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Amu

That was beautiful

I've never heard of this event from Sunni hadiths, so this is what I meant.

Are there more?

P.S. I know I've been flooding you a lot lately, if you don't feel like digging through hadiths, just link me to a good article

I'll post if I encounter anymore.

**Amu** · 01-15-2008, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by TranceNRG

I'll post if I encounter anymore.

Would there be an article that lists all the Prophet's miracles?

EDIT: I can't find any on al islam

**TranceNRG** · 01-15-2008, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Amu

Then he as a Sunni, would consider Sunnism to be the Truth. Why would he give importance or fame to deviant sects?

I know that...
However, unfortunately, being the only shia, I must make such a post, in order to make the independent thinkers and readers realize that there are TWO sides to each coin.

In other words, when SK makes such posts, my reply isn't necessarily towards him, rather it's towards whoever (sunni or shia or non-muslim) that reads this forum and may have the same questions.

Thus, I am hoping that my posts, would provoke thinkers and readers to either ask about the other side or look into it themselves.

**TranceNRG** · 01-15-2008, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Amu

So in other words, scientifically, the position is strong, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not.

Scientifically, the scientists would say yes...
The non-scientists, (i.e. philosophers) continue to have their unaswered questions.

For example, my third year vertebrate physiology professor mentioned that without evolution biology wouldn't make sense. And when I mentioned this to my 4th year Philosophy of Biology/Science professor (who also believes in evolution), he stated that such claim is unwise.

**Amu** · 01-15-2008, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by TranceNRG

I know that...
However, unfortunately, being the only shia, I must make such a post, in order to make the independent thinkres and readers realize that there are TWO sides to each coin.

In other words, when SK makes such posts, my reply isn't necessarily towards him, rather it's towards whoever (sunni or shia or non-muslim) that reads this forum and may have the same questions.

Thus, I am hoping that my posts, would provoke thinkers and readers to either ask about the side or look into it themselves.

You should have said so. I 100% agree with you then

**TranceNRG** · 01-15-2008, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by SYRIANKID

Today I reviewed the biography and martyrdom of Imam Hussein (may God be pleased with him). Truly it was a tragedy among tragedies during those days, and the people who fought and killed him were criminals and probably demonic according to what they did to his body. The killers met a deserved fate and God showed us a glimpse of what awaits them as punishment of the grave and more.

I am glad you took the time to read upon this tragedy on your own.

It is indeed a major tragedy in Islam, which in turn revitalized and saved Islam.

**Amu** · 01-15-2008, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by TranceNRG

Scientifically, the scientists would say yes...
The non-scientists, (i.e. philosophers) continue to have their unaswered questions.

For example, my third year vertebrate physiology professor mentioned that without evolution biology wouldn't make sense. And when I mentioned this to my 4th year Philosophy of Biology/Science professor (who also believes in evolution), he stated that such claim is unwise.

There is A LOT more to evolution then the fact that Adam evolved from other species. I'm sure your third year vertebrate physiology professor was including microevolution and macroevolution of non-human species when he said "without evolution biology wouldn't make sense."

**TranceNRG** · 01-15-2008, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Amu

Would there be an article that lists all the Prophet's miracles?

EDIT: I can't find any on al islam

Read the following article.

http://www.imamreza.net/eng/imamreza.php?id=6009

**TranceNRG** · 01-15-2008, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Amu

There is A LOT more to evolution then the fact that Adam evolved from other species. I'm sure your third year vertebrate physiology professor was including microevolution and macroevolution of non-human species when he said "without evolution biology wouldn't make sense."

Scientists do not separate human evolution from other type of evolutions.

**Amu** · 01-15-2008, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by TranceNRG

Scientists do not separate human evolution from other type of evolutions.

Yes, because they see no need to. Many theists, however, separate them as they view human evolution to be an exception

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