Best supps for fat loss and ECA stack dose ?

**Yoda** · 08-13-2002, 07:25 AM

What do people typically take for dosages on the ECA stack?
ie. How much caffeine, ephedrine, aspirin?

I've heard about 2 cups of coffee, 50 mg ephedrine and a few tabs of aspirin. However I don't want to take aspirin because I'm not interested in fuk1ng with my blood. So how effective is the EC stack?? What sort of amounts would someone take?

What other readily obtainable fat loss supps actually have a real effect? (ie. Guggul Extract ? etc)

Feel free to list your top picks for fat loss supplementation. No AS though for the list... Thanks everyone...

**barrist** · 08-13-2002, 07:53 AM

i believe the general dosage for an E/C stack is 200mg caffeine and 25 mg of ephedrine, taken 3 times a day

just buy a bottle of caffeine pills and a bottle ephedrine pills, much cheaper than goin for a brand name ECA stack

im not sure about other supplements that help,
i've heard guggul and those other non-stimulant extracts work well alongside the actual EC stack.

**Yoda** · 08-13-2002, 08:02 AM

I've read that a cup has 40-150mg so I may need to boost up my coffee drinking. I have ephedrine tabs already...

Anyone with cheap suggestions for decreasing the waist (abdominal fat) let me know! I'm around 16% bodyfat but the vast majority seems to be around the gut area... I'm doing cardio and weights and the above stack but any other suggestions would be appreciated. 10% bf and 3 inches off the waistline are my goals.

**speda1** · 08-13-2002, 08:06 AM

CLA along with either flax or fish oil will help with abdominal fat. Not too expensive.

**Avelino** · 08-13-2002, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by Yoda
I've read that a cup has 40-150mg so I may need to boost up my coffee drinking. I have ephedrine tabs already...

Anyone with cheap suggestions for decreasing the waist (abdominal fat) let me know! I'm around 16% bodyfat but the vast majority seems to be around the gut area... I'm doing cardio and weights and the above stack but any other suggestions would be appreciated. 10% bf and 3 inches off the waistline are my goals.

Instead of drinking the coffee go to CVS and buy caffeine pills, there like 6 bucks for 120 caps, it's more convenient well to me anyways.

later

**Yoda** · 08-14-2002, 06:47 AM

CVS is across the border. We do have crappy GNC stores here. I'm not into the idea of caffeine pills. Supposedly freshly brewed coffee has antioxidant properties. Fresh tea also has some other compounds that are good.

What other supps can help to increase metabolism / thermogenesis??

**windows250279** · 08-14-2002, 07:03 AM

go onto any website, or do a search for NYC, ECA, Thermogenics, there is millions of info on it.

Search on fat burners, or weight loss, look around the forums man, you cant fail to find stuff unless your an idiot.

**Yoda** · 08-14-2002, 08:30 AM

I was specifically looking for thrmogenic supplements. Things that are new or not as well known. I also figured others would be interested as well. As for doing a search, it has already been done. I can post what I have learned but was hoping to hear from others who actually have knowledge of leading edge concepts and research. (Doing a search on google is not leading edge in case you don't know). Thanks for the redundant suggestion.

**97LT1** · 08-14-2002, 09:15 AM

I'm with speda1. This would be the best thing for you right now. Adding Guggulbolic and MM4 would be a plus.

**Jory320** · 08-14-2002, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by 97LT1
Adding Guggulbolic and MM4 would be a plus.

Whats your experience with Guggulolic and MM4? Do they work Very well, or "pretty" well? Just wandering, thanks.

**97LT1** · 08-14-2002, 03:25 PM

Well, i've been taking both for about a year now. Both work well, but not as well as an ECA. They tend to increase the fatburning effects of any stimulating fatburner you take. Plus, both are non stimulating fatburners.

**Jory320** · 08-14-2002, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by 97LT1
Well, i've been taking both for about a year now. Both work well, but not as well as an ECA. They tend to increase the fatburning effects of any stimulating fatburner you take. Plus, both are non stimulating fatburners.

Do you recommend, when I get to the "cutting" phase, that I buy an gugglebolic with mm4 or just one of them? Thanks.

**97LT1** · 08-14-2002, 06:24 PM

I would go with both.

**Freyr** · 08-14-2002, 06:28 PM

Dude,

Ephedra and caffeine are a lot more potent than aspirin.

What's your beef with aspirin?

**Yoda** · 08-15-2002, 06:40 AM

Aspirin is a blood thinner. I'm not interested in messing around with platlet functioning. I want to be able to form a clot within the normal time if I get injured. (I do other sports outside of the gym). In addition aspirin is hard on the gastro-intestinal tract. This should be reason enough to avoid it.

However since I am missing the 3 rd component of the ECA stack, I wanted to know what others felt could replace it. Anything that further increases thermogenesis and metabolism and is readily obtainable sound like good candidates to me.

**97LT1** · 08-15-2002, 06:43 AM

Most replace Aspirin with Yohimbe.

ECY

**SlateDrake** · 08-15-2002, 07:51 AM

Hey 97,

What are you using for a Y-HCL dosage with your EC?

I realize this is going to be subject to each individuals tolerance of the EC/Y combo, but I was wondering what you're doing.

Right now I'm actually doing the following dose pattern:

7:00am: 200mg caffeine/20mg ephedrine

9:30am: 200mg caffeine/25mg ephedrine/2.5mg Y-HCL

12:00 noon: 100mg caffeine/10mg ephedrine/2.5mg Y-HCL

2:30pm: 100mg caffeine/10mg ephedrine/2.5mg Y-HCL

5:00pm (pre-workout) 100mg caffeine/10mg ephedrine/7.5mg Y-HCL

A little heavy on the C/E in the AM, and then a big Y-HCL boost prior to workout.

Slate

**Jory320** · 08-15-2002, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by 97LT1
I would go with both.

Well I'm on a small budget and I can only get one, which one do you think is best by itself.

**97LT1** · 08-15-2002, 10:47 AM

Try Guggulbolic.

**97LT1** · 08-15-2002, 10:51 AM

Hey Bro!!

I tried this once. But now i use NYC stacks, along with Excedrin. I made the sugestion because i know Yohimbe is the usual replacement for aspirin.

Good to hear from ya buddy!

**BlackHawk** · 08-15-2002, 11:44 AM

Can you take gugglebolic with xenadrine or do they do close to the same thing?

**97LT1** · 08-15-2002, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by BlackHawk
Can you take gugglebolic with xenadrine or do they do close to the same thing?

Yes, you can.

It is reccomened. Guggulbolic is a non-stimulating fat burner. No jitters and such.

**97LT1** · 08-15-2002, 11:57 AM

But Guggulbolic in no way will produce results like an ECA when taken alone.

**BlackHawk** · 08-15-2002, 12:05 PM

Sweet, let me place my order

**97LT1** · 08-15-2002, 12:11 PM

**Jory320** · 08-15-2002, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by 97LT1
Yes, you can. It is reccomened. Guggulbolic is a non-stimulating fat burner. No jitters and such.

Well I'm not going to use ECA b/c ephedrine is known to kill people, sudden heart attacks and such. Also my parents won't let me either

So thats why I asked about guggle and mm4. So other than ECA, is gugglebolic and mm4 THE BEST or is there another combo or supp. that is better?

**97LT1** · 08-15-2002, 01:17 PM

You could also stack the two with CLA.

Or use an ephedra free fat burner with all to give you comparable results to an ECA stack.

**Yoda** · 08-15-2002, 01:21 PM

Jory, you must be a rocket scientist. You are so smart. Guess what wizard, people die on a regular basis from taking aspirin and several other common over the counter drugs. If you do a search on medline you will find the case studies that show this. Perhaps you had better start freaking out on your grand-dad cause he is taking aspirin.

Similar to steroids, there are no real solid studies that prove the "great danger" that they pose. Case studies are not worth **** in the world of research. Double-blind randomized control studies are the standard to go by. But guess what? They don't seem to exist in any significant number. Science requires proof before you can say something. One rct study is not proof and a 1000 case studies aren't worth ****. The FDA will cave in to any percieved danger and ban something in order to retain public support. Once the FDA does something, the Canadian counterparts will soon follow and the media gets lots of attention from any percieved health risk out there so they mess things up even more. If you have a significant amount of rcts that support your point of view then post them and correct me. Otherwise shut it.

**Jory320** · 08-15-2002, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by Yoda
Jory, you must be a rocket scientist. You are so smart. Guess what wizard, people die on a regular basis from taking aspirin and several other common over the counter drugs. If you do a search on medline you will find the case studies that show this. Perhaps you had better start freaking out on your grand-dad cause he is taking aspirin.

Similar to steroids, there are no real solid studies that prove the "great danger" that they pose. Case studies are not worth **** in the world of research. Double-blind randomized control studies are the standard to go by. But guess what? They don't seem to exist in any significant number. Science requires proof before you can say something. One rct study is not proof and a 1000 case studies aren't worth ****. The FDA will cave in to any percieved danger and ban something in order to retain public support. Once the FDA does something, the Canadian counterparts will soon follow and the media gets lots of attention from any percieved health risk out there so they mess things up even more. If you have a significant amount of rcts that support your point of view then post them and correct me. Otherwise shut it.

Okay that was the stupidest, and most ignorant thing I have EVER heard. If you even ponder that steriods aren't bad for your health, then go use them. And I hope when you get B$$ch tits everyone makes fun of you... And watch your mouth, don't tell me to shut up, aspirin, for your information, SAVES alot more lives then it kills. Did you read that?

**Jory320** · 08-15-2002, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by 97LT1
You could also stack the two with CLA.

Or use an ephedra free fat burner with all to give you comparable results to an ECA stack.

What is CLA and could you recommend some ephedra free fat burners? Thanks in advance 97LT1

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