What are these so-called "Legal Steroids"

TheHurricane · 06-14-2005, 06:08 PM

I see ads all the time now for Zoe Labsd, Carvagen Products, all selling Russian "Dianobol", "Dekka", "Equipoison", and "Winstrall", among others. They are advertised as a legal steroid and comparable alternative to the real thing. Other than the obvious, that they are not as strong as the real thing, are they a worthwhile supplement? Will they have effects similar to a pro-hormone? Anyone know about the ingredients? Are they just an appetite enhancer? Will their effects even be close to the real thing?

P.S. they say these may be banned soon, I just don't see how these supplements could be very potent if even pro-hormones are banned now....

skillgannon · 06-14-2005, 06:17 PM

Consumer Report
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing
The Truth about "Legal Steroids"
by Chris Shugart

Imagine this: A new auto manufacturer hits the scene and starts marketing its cars. They have the Civilian Humer, the Porsch 911, the Ferari 360 Spider, and the coveted Beamer. The ads are slick and the cars look pretty damned good, too. They even list the performance statistics. The Ferari Spider's top speed is 180 mph and it'll reach 63 mph in just 4.5 seconds!

Now, it doesn't take a car buff to smell a rat here, a rather big rat that's been lying out in the heat for a few days. Notice how each name is slightly misspelled. Instead of Ferrari, it's Ferari. Porsch is missing an "e" at the end. Hmm, something funny's going on here. If you were to look at the "Ferari" emblem in the ad, you'd notice it's not quite the same as the real Ferrari emblem. It's very close, but not quite right. Upon closer inspection you'd see that it's not the famous prancing horse, but a kicking donkey! Just who do these jackasses think they are?

And how about those performance stats? Well, they appear to be legitimate Ferrari performance numbers. Did you catch that? Ferrari performance numbers, not "Ferari" performance numbers. And what about that Beamer they sell? Well, is it really a BMW or did these scum bags copyright the slang term "Beamer" so they could use the name for their fake BMW?

Obviously, these aren't the real deal and only those very ignorant about cars (or very stupid about everything) would fall for such a scam. But of course we're talking about the general public here, so this sleazy auto manufacturer would still make a lot of dough. So what if the wheels fall off and the motor gives out after a few months of driving? So what if the cars can't meet those performance standards? This car maker isn't looking for repeat customers after all. This is what's called a short grift, a quick, in and out scam.

A couple of years from now, this maker won't even be around. Instead he'll be involved in other scams, perhaps real estate, psychic hotlines, or (gasp!) supplement manufacturing. Nah, he'd be too late. The wolves in sheep's clothing have already arrived and set up camp in the bodybuilding community.

These ain't steroids, dummy!

Not many things piss me off. I'm a pretty laid back guy. But recently I've been getting a lot of questions about the quality of a certain brand of steroids. It seems this maker has a fat list of e-mail addresses and is clogging the inboxes all over the US with promises of gear without a prescription and without side effects.

So why am I pissed off? Because I logged on to the web site of this company and found a few interesting things, mainly, these aren't steroids! They look like steroids, they sound like steroids, they promise steroid-like gains, but in reality, this company is selling nothing but andro, creatine, and ECA stacks. The name of this company? SDI-Labs. Let's take a closer look at this Florida based company, its advertising, and its products.

The Name Game

First, let's play the name game. SDI-Labs sells Winni-V, D-Bol, Equipose, Masterbolan, Liquid Anodrol, Sustenol 250, Deca Nor 50, Somatroph HGH, and GHB among a few other items. Do those names look familiar? They should, because they're either very close to the names of popular steroids or they're based on slang terms for steroids or other compounds.

For example, they sell Equipose. The real steroid is called Equipoise. They also sell a product called Sustenol 250. Of course, the real Testosterone product is called Sustenon 250. And don't think you're getting stanazolol when you buy Winni-V. The real product is called Winstrol V and "winni" is only a slang term. Same goes for D-Bol. This is not Dianabol (methandrostenolone). Apparently they just called it "D-Bol" and got a copyright on the name. (Another company did that with the name "ECA Stack" in hopes of luring in customers.)

Gee, maybe I should start buying oregano in 55-gallon drums and get the copyright on the name Pot®. I could start a website, take out some ads way in the back of MuscleMag and High Times and be the king of Pot®. All the Potheads® would love me (until they tried it) and I'd make a ton of dough! (You know, if I were a dishonest bottomfeeder, I'd be making a lot more money. Damn these morals! Damn this sense of right and wrong!)

So what's in this stuff anyway since it's obviously not real gear? Well, mainly different kinds of andro supplements, ephedra and caffeine. For example, their D-Bol product contains 100mg of 19-Norandrostenedione and 100mg of 4-Androstenediol (plus a few inconsequential things) and sells for 80 bucks a bottle. (About seven day's worth if used at full dosage.)

"Winni-V" contains 25mg of 19-Norandrostenedione, 110mg B-Cyclodextrin, plus a minimal amount of caffeine and Mahuang (herbal ephedrine). What they've done here is add a little Mahuang and caffeine to the "steroids" that are known for a hardening effect.

Their topical Liquid Anodrol product (made to sound like the steroid Anadrol) contains 100mg of 19-Norandrostenedione and 100mg of 4-Androstenediol. The price? $110 a bottle. And even though this is a topical product, for some reason it comes with a funky looking syringe thingy. I haven't quite figured that part out yet.

And how about that GHB stuff? They didn't change the spelling there, did they? No they didn't. Real GHB (gamma hydroxy butyrate) has been banned actually. Most people liked to use it as a party drug or a relaxant. Real GHB basically made you sleepy and somewhat euphoric. It became known as a "date rape drug" in some circles, hence the ban. So how is SDI-Labs selling it? They aren't, of course.

The ads for "GHB" promise "incredible desire increase, prolonged arousal, and enhanced climax." What's in it? Nothing but 5mg of Yohimbine and 50mg of 4-Androstenediol. The really pathetic part is they give dosage guidelines for women, who of course should stay away from all andro-type products. By the way, the web site makes this note: "GHB is a pending a Trademark of SDI-LABS." (See, that Pot® idea could work!) And yes, SDI-Labs does come out and say that this product doesn't contain real GHB ingredients, if you read the site close enough.

Most of the other products tell the same story: steroid name — cheap andro ingredient. Not only were pill-form andro products manufactured by other companies a failure, SDI-Labs is using very tiny dosages. (Heck, even large doses of this stuff didn't work too well in pill form.) Perhaps this is because they really push you to buy one of their stacks consisting of several products. These can run upward of $820.

They also pull the same trick our fictional car manufacturer did in the intro. They talk about the positive effects of the real steroid hoping you'll make the leap of faith and think their products do the same. This is especially true with their "HGH" product. (See our Dirty Tricks article for the details behind this common scam.)

Sheep's Clothing

Besides the names and the hard sell ad copy, these guys also put some deceit into the packaging. My favorite is the D-Bol packaging.

Notice the little animal pictures. They do this so the consumer thinks he's getting some kind of "gray area" or veterinary product. You can even see the words "Vetrinariol." I guess this is supposed to look foreign or something but the word is just gobbledygook; it doesn't exist. In fact, I typed that word into a search engine and the only thing that popped up was from Spamcop.net, a site that allows you to send a public spam report to network administrators. Apparently, SDI-Labs has been turned in for spamming.

The "winni" package is also made to look like a real pharmaceutical product.

This type of packaging is expensive compared to just putting pills in a bottle. Hmm, maybe that's why this stuff costs $80 a package! Sheep's clothing is pricey, I guess! Then again, this is the same company that was behind the "Almost Juic'in" product, part of which was a plain bottle of creatine called "Eruption" that sold 400 grams for $50! The price has since been reduced to $30. Still a rip off, of course.

You smell that, too?

To round out the hardcore image, SDI-Labs also likes to put syringes in their ads beside the supplements. This is pure window dressing since none of these are injectable products. Well, that's the official stance at least.

keltalon · 07-13-2005, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skillgannon

Consumer Report
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing
The Truth about "Legal Steroids"
by Chris Shugart

Imagine this: A new auto manufacturer hits the scene and starts marketing its cars. They have the Civilian Humer, the Porsch 911, the Ferari 360 Spider, and the coveted Beamer. The ads are slick and the cars look pretty damned good, too. They even list the performance statistics. The Ferari Spider's top speed is 180 mph and it'll reach 63 mph in just 4.5 seconds!

Now, it doesn't take a car buff to smell a rat here, a rather big rat that's been lying out in the heat for a few days. Notice how each name is slightly misspelled. Instead of Ferrari, it's Ferari. Porsch is missing an "e" at the end. Hmm, something funny's going on here. If you were to look at the "Ferari" emblem in the ad, you'd notice it's not quite the same as the real Ferrari emblem. It's very close, but not quite right. Upon closer inspection you'd see that it's not the famous prancing horse, but a kicking donkey! Just who do these jackasses think they are?

And how about those performance stats? Well, they appear to be legitimate Ferrari performance numbers. Did you catch that? Ferrari performance numbers, not "Ferari" performance numbers. And what about that Beamer they sell? Well, is it really a BMW or did these scum bags copyright the slang term "Beamer" so they could use the name for their fake BMW?

Obviously, these aren't the real deal and only those very ignorant about cars (or very stupid about everything) would fall for such a scam. But of course we're talking about the general public here, so this sleazy auto manufacturer would still make a lot of dough. So what if the wheels fall off and the motor gives out after a few months of driving? So what if the cars can't meet those performance standards? This car maker isn't looking for repeat customers after all. This is what's called a short grift, a quick, in and out scam.

A couple of years from now, this maker won't even be around. Instead he'll be involved in other scams, perhaps real estate, psychic hotlines, or (gasp!) supplement manufacturing. Nah, he'd be too late. The wolves in sheep's clothing have already arrived and set up camp in the bodybuilding community.

These ain't steroids, dummy!

Not many things piss me off. I'm a pretty laid back guy. But recently I've been getting a lot of questions about the quality of a certain brand of steroids. It seems this maker has a fat list of e-mail addresses and is clogging the inboxes all over the US with promises of gear without a prescription and without side effects.

So why am I pissed off? Because I logged on to the web site of this company and found a few interesting things, mainly, these aren't steroids! They look like steroids, they sound like steroids, they promise steroid-like gains, but in reality, this company is selling nothing but andro, creatine, and ECA stacks. The name of this company? SDI-Labs. Let's take a closer look at this Florida based company, its advertising, and its products.

The Name Game

First, let's play the name game. SDI-Labs sells Winni-V, D-Bol, Equipose, Masterbolan, Liquid Anodrol, Sustenol 250, Deca Nor 50, Somatroph HGH, and GHB among a few other items. Do those names look familiar? They should, because they're either very close to the names of popular steroids or they're based on slang terms for steroids or other compounds.

For example, they sell Equipose. The real steroid is called Equipoise. They also sell a product called Sustenol 250. Of course, the real Testosterone product is called Sustenon 250. And don't think you're getting stanazolol when you buy Winni-V. The real product is called Winstrol V and "winni" is only a slang term. Same goes for D-Bol. This is not Dianabol (methandrostenolone). Apparently they just called it "D-Bol" and got a copyright on the name. (Another company did that with the name "ECA Stack" in hopes of luring in customers.)

Gee, maybe I should start buying oregano in 55-gallon drums and get the copyright on the name Pot®. I could start a website, take out some ads way in the back of MuscleMag and High Times and be the king of Pot®. All the Potheads® would love me (until they tried it) and I'd make a ton of dough! (You know, if I were a dishonest bottomfeeder, I'd be making a lot more money. Damn these morals! Damn this sense of right and wrong!)

So what's in this stuff anyway since it's obviously not real gear? Well, mainly different kinds of andro supplements, ephedra and caffeine. For example, their D-Bol product contains 100mg of 19-Norandrostenedione and 100mg of 4-Androstenediol (plus a few inconsequential things) and sells for 80 bucks a bottle. (About seven day's worth if used at full dosage.)

"Winni-V" contains 25mg of 19-Norandrostenedione, 110mg B-Cyclodextrin, plus a minimal amount of caffeine and Mahuang (herbal ephedrine). What they've done here is add a little Mahuang and caffeine to the "steroids" that are known for a hardening effect.

Their topical Liquid Anodrol product (made to sound like the steroid Anadrol) contains 100mg of 19-Norandrostenedione and 100mg of 4-Androstenediol. The price? $110 a bottle. And even though this is a topical product, for some reason it comes with a funky looking syringe thingy. I haven't quite figured that part out yet.

And how about that GHB stuff? They didn't change the spelling there, did they? No they didn't. Real GHB (gamma hydroxy butyrate) has been banned actually. Most people liked to use it as a party drug or a relaxant. Real GHB basically made you sleepy and somewhat euphoric. It became known as a "date rape drug" in some circles, hence the ban. So how is SDI-Labs selling it? They aren't, of course.

The ads for "GHB" promise "incredible desire increase, prolonged arousal, and enhanced climax." What's in it? Nothing but 5mg of Yohimbine and 50mg of 4-Androstenediol. The really pathetic part is they give dosage guidelines for women, who of course should stay away from all andro-type products. By the way, the web site makes this note: "GHB is a pending a Trademark of SDI-LABS." (See, that Pot® idea could work!) And yes, SDI-Labs does come out and say that this product doesn't contain real GHB ingredients, if you read the site close enough.

Most of the other products tell the same story: steroid name — cheap andro ingredient. Not only were pill-form andro products manufactured by other companies a failure, SDI-Labs is using very tiny dosages. (Heck, even large doses of this stuff didn't work too well in pill form.) Perhaps this is because they really push you to buy one of their stacks consisting of several products. These can run upward of $820.

They also pull the same trick our fictional car manufacturer did in the intro. They talk about the positive effects of the real steroid hoping you'll make the leap of faith and think their products do the same. This is especially true with their "HGH" product. (See our Dirty Tricks article for the details behind this common scam.)

Sheep's Clothing

Besides the names and the hard sell ad copy, these guys also put some deceit into the packaging. My favorite is the D-Bol packaging.

Notice the little animal pictures. They do this so the consumer thinks he's getting some kind of "gray area" or veterinary product. You can even see the words "Vetrinariol." I guess this is supposed to look foreign or something but the word is just gobbledygook; it doesn't exist. In fact, I typed that word into a search engine and the only thing that popped up was from Spamcop.net, a site that allows you to send a public spam report to network administrators. Apparently, SDI-Labs has been turned in for spamming.

The "winni" package is also made to look like a real pharmaceutical product.

This type of packaging is expensive compared to just putting pills in a bottle. Hmm, maybe that's why this stuff costs $80 a package! Sheep's clothing is pricey, I guess! Then again, this is the same company that was behind the "Almost Juic'in" product, part of which was a plain bottle of creatine called "Eruption" that sold 400 grams for $50! The price has since been reduced to $30. Still a rip off, of course.

You smell that, too?

To round out the hardcore image, SDI-Labs also likes to put syringes in their ads beside the supplements. This is pure window dressing since none of these are injectable products. Well, that's the official stance at least.

looks like sombody did their research!!!

ekilla2003 · 07-13-2005, 07:37 PM

search people really need to search sdi labs sucks cow and monkey ball at the same time

NO MERCY · 07-13-2005, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ekilla2003

search people really need to search sdi labs sucks cow and monkey ball at the same time

haha thats great.....

wiseguy1111 · 07-13-2005, 08:25 PM

What's amazing is that they must be making a ton of money. They are running ads every month in Muscular Development. I guess people are buying that crap. I don't understand.

cheezefacta · 07-13-2005, 08:30 PM

My opinion: ....if you can fall for something like "Dianobol", "Dekka", "Equipoison", and "Winstrall"...you deserve to have your money taken away.

dsp50 · 07-20-2005, 08:23 AM

What about Superdrol? Is it a fake also? I guess it must be if it can be legally sold.

cheezefacta · 07-20-2005, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dsp50

What about Superdrol? Is it a fake also? I guess it must be if it can be legally sold.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, was that an attempt are being a smartass? Wow dude....

..thread starter, dont listen to that post.

collegeHULK · 07-20-2005, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dsp50

What about Superdrol? Is it a fake also? I guess it must be if it can be legally sold.

cool first post. dumbass

crimp1 · 05-16-2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by collegeHULK

cool first post. dumbass

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL you guys are ruthless....LOLOLOLOLOLOL

ToolMan · 05-16-2006, 10:24 AM

I took some Winstrall and EquiPOISON and got 78 pounds of lean, dense, hard, vein-popping, fast twitch muscle fibers in 7 days. With no exercise or cardio!

Plus, I got 4 inches taller and my pe**s got 2 inches thicker. It was weird but it worked!

I guess it could have been that Fizogen strap thangy too.. not sure what it was.

UberBerzerker · 05-16-2006, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skillgannon

Consumer Report
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing
The Truth about "Legal Steroids"
by Chris Shugart
and the coveted Beamer.
what about that Beamer they sell? slang term "Beamer" so they could use the name for their fake BMW?
.

Gotta do your research, that's for sure!!

Beemer/beamer = bmw cycle

bimmer = the cars

other than that - good article

http://www.bmwccbc.org/misc/tech-and-trivia/bimmer.html

UberBerzerker · 05-16-2006, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToolMan

I took some Winstrall and EquiPOISON and got 78 pounds of lean, dense, hard, vein-popping, fast twitch muscle fibers in 7 days. With no exercise or cardio!

Plus, I got 4 inches taller and my pe**s got 2 inches thicker. It was weird but it worked!

I guess it could have been that Fizogen strap thangy too.. not sure what it was.

u stacked those with the strap and lived to tell about it?!? OMFG!!

when do you walk on water and part the red sea?!!?!?

Fred Flinstone · 05-16-2006, 10:50 AM

its because 99.9% of the people out there dont know **** about supplements/ nutrition, and see those adds in magazines, and end up thinking they are getting some good steroid or something close to it. those companies make a ton of money, and the customer ends up getting some bunk product

prickleferret · 05-16-2006, 11:05 AM

that really pisses me off about the mags. the fact that they will print these ads by bogus ass companies. i know the mag has to pay its bills but ads like that dupe the dumb into wasting their money on the stuff. the magazine is partially to blame for it.

ToolMan · 05-16-2006, 11:14 AM

Cant blame the mags bro.. they are selling the same things!!!

eletricmonkey · 03-18-2007, 06:46 PM

well im not to sure about anyone else but i was the idiot who bought some of those and i have to say they kinda did work. i did my own little test did 4months on and got very good results but then i stopped working out for a long time nd i lost a good amount of what i gained so i decided to work out without them and my results were'nt as quick as before. I basically was doing everything the same way except this time without the help of these supplements or whatever it is you want to call them. So now im confused cause i still got one d-bol, fina-plex, and winstrall bottle left nd im thinkin bout jumpin back on them cause i need to get back in shape very fast and all the other supplements ive been trying havent worked at all. if ne one can help me out i'd really appreciate it. thanks

Cholitzu · 03-18-2007, 06:53 PM

im just asking because i dont know about it... but the roid store.com sells real steroids or what??

Beejis60 · 03-18-2007, 07:21 PM

If you like Zoe Labs products, you should shop here:

JOCKO · 03-18-2007, 07:23 PM

Bump Sdi Stay Wit The Real Thing Or Nothin

hobbes1651 · 03-18-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Beejis60

If you like Zoe Labs products, you should shop here:

LOL
Can I stack the Drrrrrbawlrrrrrz0rz and Winny 5? Would that require a PCT?

Beejis60 · 03-18-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hobbes1651

LOL
Can I stack the Drrrrrbawlrrrrrz0rz and Winny 5? Would that require a PCT?

You will find that menstratinol 150 works best for PCT. Read the info

Docta J · 03-18-2007, 07:56 PM

hahaha @ menstratinol 150 and "whoa, honkey's jacked, gangsta!" Thats hilarious. The winny5 one is good too, "Die of liver failure!!!" I've never seen that written with so much excitement :P

eletricmonkey · 03-18-2007, 11:24 PM

lmao!!! funny ad. but seriously i did actually see something with the stuff from zoe labs. i actually got it from *********.com but they order it from zoe labs so its the same ****. anyways, i dont doubt it that these are fake but i know what i experienced with them. wierd **** i tell ya cause i got a physical, blood and urine test like 1 week after taking them nd my doctor told me i was perfectly healthy. maybe im just a lucky guy or something but i was ****ting bricks thinking hes gonna say you got liver failure or something. but as of now im tryin to get rid of my left overs cause im goin to start taking other things and i refuse to stack these. if you find any additional, REAL, info about these products let me know pleace.

pu12en12g · 03-18-2007, 11:58 PM

JupiterAK · 03-19-2007, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bird-gang

im just asking because i dont know about it... but the roid store.com sells real steroids or what??

Most of it is crap

Beejis60 · 03-20-2007, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pu12en12g

LOOK! It's PT's juice bus!

IronManXXX · 03-20-2007, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by prickleferret

that really pisses me off about the mags. the fact that they will print these ads by bogus ass companies. i know the mag has to pay its bills but ads like that dupe the dumb into wasting their money on the stuff. the magazine is partially to blame for it.

Seriously, Don't buy the magaizine.....

Get everyone you can to stop buying it also.

Beejis60 · 03-20-2007, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by IronManXXX

Seriously, Don't buy the magaizine.....

Get everyone you can to stop buying it also.

I hate the mags too. I've noticed that a lot of them print the same junk in it every month so if you prefer to buy a mag, once every six months seems like it's long enough for the mag to phase out some of the old crap.