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    Megadosed Vitamin B5 for low test levels ?

    "another way to fool the body is to give it a stable form of Vitamin B5 in very large quantities, and since the B5 is the precursor to acetyl Coenzyme A, it leads to more pregnenolone, which ultimately leads to higher Testosterone."

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    Interesting. I wonder how large of quantities?
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    Originally Posted by pu12en12g
    Thoughts ? Just came across this somewhat randomly...
    You can just take pregnenolone, its cheap and actually increases natural preg. production. Legal in US just not Canada and a few others.
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    Yes interesting, that seems to be contradictory to studies that show megadosing B5(Pantothenic Acid) helps with acne. If it causes a rise in test levels, that interesting that it helps acne as well.
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    Originally Posted by CHUCK DIESEL
    You can just take pregnenolone, its cheap and actually increases natural preg. production. Legal in US just not Canada and a few others.
    Sounds like the next question is... what are the benefits (if any)... of taking pregnenolone instead of DHEA, and what would be the optimal dosage.

    20 grams, $9.50.
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    Originally Posted by dp13368
    Yes interesting, that seems to be contradictory to studies that show megadosing B5(Pantothenic Acid) helps with acne. If it causes a rise in test levels, that interesting that it helps acne as well.
    Bump, i've been taking 3 grams daily for the past couple weeks and it dose wonders for acne. Cheap and effective.
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    Isn't pregnenolone a precursor to both DHEA, progesterone, estrogen testosterone? I know it's usually an ingredient in most PMS formulas for women. Looks intriguing but not enough studies have been done on humans.
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    Arrow Megadosing...Mmmmm :)

    Well, where are the usual brilliant minds when you need them.... Get in here.

    The fact that it clears up acne and raises test levels is interesting to me also.
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    Originally Posted by pu12en12g
    Sounds like the next question is... what are the benefits (if any)... of taking pregnenolone instead of DHEA, and what would be the optimal dosage.

    20 grams, $9.50.
    Preg, you only take about 25mg a day, 20g will last you like 80,000 days. Pregnenolone is a strong mental stimulant and also can increase levels of progesterone DHEA cant. Also Pregnenolone levels drop starting at age 25 where DHEA levels start to drop at 30 (or vise versa I cannot remember). If you are over about 27years old 25mg of preg. every other day is a must for optimum test levels. Crazy when stacked with DT. I was thinking about putting pregnenolone in DT because they work well together but that would make DT illegal in Canada and Australia (sp), and some other countries.
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    Wow thanks Chuck..We need to keep this going. Thid seems very promising and intriguing. Especially the B-5 Acne control.
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    Hmm never heard of this I have only taken B-5 for acne at 8grams per day, **** taste awfull
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    I got this info from a few Google searches (so I am not an expert in this!):



    Apparently, B-5 is used in the manufacturing of sex hormones.

    If there is enough of it in the body, it works on acne by helping with the metabolism of fats (by producing coenzyme-A). Doing so keeps sebum (oil) from being deposited in the pores. NOTE: If there isn't enough B-5 in the body, coenzyme-A production will go to the back burner and the B-5 will mostly be used to produce sex hormones. Open pores have reportedly been closed by supplementing with it.

    I'm pretty sure the testosterone raising effects only works those deficient in B-5. It does seem to be a fairly common deficiency, though, and B-5 is rather cheap. Maybe it should be given a shot.

    It is important to remember to take B-5 supplements, and not B complex. The doses of B-5 found in B complex aren't nearly high enough to promote such

    B-5 is water-soluble, so there is no real threat of toxicity at megadoses.

    Maybe those who take steroids and/or prohormones will see it as a help in post-cycle? Anyone with more info than me could give that the thumbs-up??
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    So how much B-5 they recommend?
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    Originally Posted by Sixpack
    So how much B-5 they recommend?
    I would also like to know how much.
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    The dosage most commonly used to treat acne is 5 g daily. However I still think it's best to take the whole B-Complex as the B-vitamins tend to work synergistically- 100mgs of B-complex a few times per day (not for an extended period of time though).
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    Originally Posted by ballbags1
    The dosage most commonly used to treat acne is 5 g daily. However I still think it's best to take the whole B-Complex as the B-vitamins tend to work synergistically- 100mgs of B-complex a few times per day (not for an extended period of time though).
    Would this apply to testostorone as well?
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    Originally Posted by CHUCK DIESEL
    Pregnenolone is a strong mental stimulant
    In what ways?
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    Originally Posted by The Conqueror
    In what ways?
    Long reply, not to be smart but search preg. in google, gotta go.
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    Originally Posted by gaberox
    Would this apply to testostorone as well?
    I have yet to see a study with B5 directly looking at testosterone levels... however I did find a study that looked at 1g of pantothenic acid supplementation for 2 weeks. The study found that it had no effect on a treadmill run to exhaustion, pulse rate, blood glucose levels, and several other blood measures in highly trained distance runners. So the authors concluded that pantothenic acid in pharmacological dosages would have no significant effect on human exercise capacity. I highly doubt that pantothenic acid would have a role in increasing testosterone unless it was in a person who was severly deficient.
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    Originally Posted by CHUCK DIESEL
    Preg, you only take about 25mg a day, 20g will last you like 80,000 days. Pregnenolone is a strong mental stimulant and also can increase levels of progesterone DHEA cant. Also Pregnenolone levels drop starting at age 25 where DHEA levels start to drop at 30 (or vise versa I cannot remember). If you are over about 27years old 25mg of preg. every other day is a must for optimum test levels. Crazy when stacked with DT. I was thinking about putting pregnenolone in DT because they work well together but that would make DT illegal in Canada and Australia (sp), and some other countries.
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    Arrow So cool.

    If it will ever let me... Reps for you Pu12.

    So who is going to be the guinea pig with megadosing B5 (15 grams a day)?

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    Knock yourself out arlowf but I wouldn't expect someone to pay for it I would be interested if someone had some studies on B-5 supplementation, and more importantly pregnenolone, and it's effects on test levels.
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    Where can you get the B5 alone, so far i only saw the b complex as the only way to get more b5.
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    Arrow Someone to pay for it?

    Originally Posted by chlaxman
    Knock yourself out arlowf but I wouldn't expect someone to pay for it I would be interested if someone had some studies on B-5 supplementation, and more importantly pregnenolone, and it's effects on test levels.
    Well, considering its HORRIBLE CHEAP, I think I'll just fund this experiment.
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    Arrow Damn...

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/pan.html

    Yeah, would hate to have to pay for that one... :P

    15 grams a day for the next 45 days... 55 dollars... And I bet I could get it cheaper if I got it as a powder... This will be cheap. And useful.
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    Arrow Rain?

    Go ahead and rain... What's up? Let me guess, I'm young, so my testosterone levels should be great... That it? Well, your probably right. But who knows. Can't hurt can it?
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