is saturated fat bad for you?

[Power5220]

is it? and if it is what kinds of effects can it have on you in relation to bodybuilding?

[SpiritmemberBry]

Yes, its bad...but trans fat is worse.

[OhioUstud]

is it? and if it is what kinds of effects can it have on you in relation to bodybuilding?

Yes, it is bad. It will clog your arteries and promote obesity.

[rockstarsar]

Not necessarily bad in itself, but when combined with other factors, it can be condusive to heart disease.

[belaglazov]

The best fat -- saturated meat fat -- are you eating it? You do, you know, whenver you lose weight because your fat is highly saturated RED MEAT fat. And losing weight is good. How so with all that red meat fat pouring into your blood? What people don't realize is they get heart disease by combining saturated fat with sugar and a ****load of carbs. The high saturated fat diet that everyone fears is also a diet high in carboydrates which the medical folks forget to mention. Good thing we have people like mary enig world's leading biochemist to dispel these myths.

[belaglazov]

You do know that your body makes saturated fat from carboydrates. Fat cells love them they suck them up and turn it into fat. Carbohydrates are the source of saturated human fat. Eating fat in the abscence of carbs gets burned up as fuel and not stored as fat. The only fats worth discussing are the man made fats like margarine and trans. Your body is made up of satuarated fat.

[Cynical_Simian]

Carbohydrates are the source of saturated human fat.

Err...in this grossly simplified sense, excess calories in general are the source of bodyfat (i.e. saturated fat). Saturated fat stored/produced by your body and dietary saturated fat, which has hormonal and anabolic benefits but should be limited because of its negative cardiac effects, aren't even close to comparable when talking about health ramifications.

[Tyciol]

The order of best fats in my experience is

Essential fats > unsaturated fats > saturated fats > trans fats > eating human flesh.

[belaglazov]

Cynical_Simian if you knew how to read a biochem book we would not have this discussion.

[belaglazov]

If either you or me ate a 100 percent carbohydrate diet and even burned more calories we would lose weight. But the lost weight would come from muscle and not fat. This is called energy partioning. Glucose is the source of body fat and the eaten fat is not wether it's the saturated fat on your body or the saturated fat you eat.

[rockstarsar]

Belaglazov, it's okay to admit that you were wrong, you know.

[SpreeWheels24]

*then how come there's a daily value for saturated fats? you guys make it sound like to avoid saturated fats like its trans fat, but why is there a daily value for saturated fat then?

[ratmonkey]

*then how come there's a daily value for saturated fats? you guys make it sound like to avoid saturated fats like its trans fat, but why is there a daily value for saturated fat then?

there's also a daily value for radiation exposure, doesn't mean that you need to have that much.

yeah, it's a poor arguement, but it gets the point across.

[Steve_W]

Belaglazov, it's okay to admit that you were wrong, you know.

Low carb is making his head foggy.

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[2Small]

The best fat -- saturated meat fat -- are you eating it? You do, you know, whenver you lose weight because your fat is highly saturated RED MEAT fat. And losing weight is good. How so with all that red meat fat pouring into your blood? What people don't realize is they get heart disease by combining saturated fat with sugar and a ****load of carbs. The high saturated fat diet that everyone fears is also a diet high in carboydrates which the medical folks forget to mention. Good thing we have people like mary enig world's leading biochemist to dispel these myths.

OH GOD! You had better let all the vegetarian bodybuilder out there know no matter how much protein they are getting from beans and whole grains that if they don’t get some saturated fat stat it could get ugly.

Edit It is possible that it is 4am but I cant make sence of this post, but then again it could be all the red meat fat pouring into my blood. Shrug

[TanTheMan]

^^^^ good post

PS: mmmmmmmm beef

[Stagger]

Everything in moderation.

Saturated fat is just fine, and infact good for you as long as you control your intake. Ideally each type of fat would be 1/3 of your total fat intake, so all are equal.

Saturated fat does a lot to raise testosterone levels, and it raises both good and bad cholesterol, so it has benefits and drawbacks like anything.

Polys have drawbacks too. They lower good and bad cholesterol, and oxidize easily. But they're also EFAs and pretty good for you in moderation.

Monos are pretty good all around.

[Stagger]

there's also a daily value for radiation exposure, doesn't mean that you need to have that much.

yeah, it's a poor arguement, but it gets the point across.

There's a difference between how much you need to live and how much you need to function optimally.

Although saturated fat is nonessential, having it in the diet does a lot to put you in an anabolic state, and it also raises good cholesterol, which can go down a lot with a diet high in polys.

I mean, you don't need 2g of protein per lb of bodyweight, but getting that much has certain benefits. Same with saturated fat.

Also, belaglazov, note that most meats have 50% or more of their fat as monos.

[2Small]

Everything in moderation.

Saturated fat is just fine, and infact good for you as long as you control your intake. Ideally each type of fat would be 1/3 of your total fat intake, so all are equal.

Saturated fat does a lot to raise testosterone levels, and it raises both good and bad cholesterol, so it has benefits and drawbacks like anything.

Polys have drawbacks too. They lower good and bad cholesterol, and oxidize easily. But they're also EFAs and pretty good for you in moderation.

Monos are pretty good all around.

I couldnt agree more

[Tyciol]

Actually after further learning I think I'll modify my list.of best to worst.

1. Essential fatty acids taken in a fat-soluble thing that helps the body absorb them, like vitamins, or does the fat help absorb the vitamins...
2. Essential fatty acids taken alone
3. Unsaturated fats (still not sure if there's a nutritional difference between mono or poly, I tend to ignore them)
4. Saturated fats
5. Trans fats/fried fats
6. Spoiled unsaturated fats/efa fats turned into free radicals
7. Microwaved fats (I've just learned microwaves totally poison stuff).

[Phosphate bond]

I don't even want to read this thread.

Here is what you need to know. Saturated fat is a non-essential fat you can either get from your diet or make from poor handling of carbs through a process called lipogenesis.

The stuff is released from adipocytes and promotes insulin resistance at skeletal muscle to keep your starving body alive and blood sugar from tanking. How is this good for bodybuilding and growing skeletal muscle? I don't think it's good at all, but I don't worry about eating some occassionally. Try monosaturated instead if you want fat in addition to the essential fats (omega 6/3)

Some will mention testosterone being boosted, but there are a few confounding factors in that study we need to think about. Besides I think there is only one or two studies where that happened. You also need to consider that hyperinsulinemia lowers free testosterone via increases in SSBG. So be careful about carbs and saturated fat together (epecially in caloric excess phase)

P.S. Obese people don't have a saturated fat deficiency . They got plenty of them locked away as triglycerides in their adipocytes.

[DaRk_StAr]

saturated fat is not bad if it is taken in moderation like with all things....by the way sat fat converts to testosterone more readily.

[Deadhead94]

SAturated fats are FINE! THEY ARE ESSENTIAL JUST LIKE ANY OTHER FAT, Even COmmon by nature!