Extending cycle...advice needed

maxed-out · 10-06-2007, 03:10 AM

Ok so I've been reading the forums trying to get more info on the possibility of extending my cycle from 15 to 20 weeks. There are lots of posts but nothing specifically on whether or not the dosage should stay the same or be increased toward. The reason for extending my cycle is because I've almost reached my goals and figure a few extra weeks will get me there.

It's my first cycle and I'm running 500 mg's of test e a week (currently in week 15). I've just introduced proviron to help with water and libido (arimadex way to expensive here in Thailand). Will continue with 500 mg's a week for the next 5 weeks. I have no sides except a little acne and the old fella?s have shrunk down to olives - but PCT should fix that up.

For PCT I have clomid and nolvadex and will run those (beginning 2 weeks after last injection) for a period of 2 weeks.

Clomid 50 mg's ed
Nolva 30 mg's each day

Any input would be greatly appreciated ? wanting some specific info on dosage and anything else others may wish to suggest to improve this cycle?cheers!

myPecsRbigger · 10-06-2007, 03:13 AM

personally id up the dose to 750mgs, but hey thats just me...

maxed-out · 10-06-2007, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by myPecsRbigger

personally id up the dose to 750mgs, but hey thats just me...

Cheers bro, any particular reason for upping the dose?

istdercollen · 10-06-2007, 03:30 AM

After so long, your body stops responding to the same dose. Like anything from caffeine to cocaine, you develop a resistance to whatever it is.

maxed-out · 10-06-2007, 04:49 AM

Thanks all for the input - anyone else have any suggestions?

Rubin Carter · 10-06-2007, 05:46 AM

Yes, def. include some Hcg in your Pct if you want to keep some gains.

maxed-out · 10-06-2007, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rubin Carter

Yes, def. include some Hcg in your Pct if you want to keep some gains.

Cheers RC, could you reccommend the correct dose of HCG in my PCT?

Rubin Carter · 10-06-2007, 06:07 AM

Most will advice you to do another protocol but i have always used this one and worked wonders :

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/jon13.htm

mville1035 · 10-06-2007, 07:26 AM

DO NOT RUN HCG DURING PCT! HCG should only be ran during and up until pct as it DOES suppress your test levels... being in thailand you should have access to it very easily and i would recommend you get some asap, assuming your running long esters run it till your two week off time before your pct, run it at 500 ius 2x a week.

Rubin Carter · 10-06-2007, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mville1035

DO NOT RUN HCG DURING PCT! HCG should only be ran during and up until pct as it DOES suppress your test levels... being in thailand you should have access to it very easily and i would recommend you get some asap, assuming your running long esters run it till your two week off time before your pct, run it at 500 ius 2x a week.

My bad! In my previous post what i meant was for him to use Hcg ALL THE WAY TILL PCT as stated in the article i suggested him.

Thanks Mville

maxed-out · 10-06-2007, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mville1035

DO NOT RUN HCG DURING PCT! HCG should only be ran during and up until pct as it DOES suppress your test levels... being in thailand you should have access to it very easily and i would recommend you get some asap, assuming your running long esters run it till your two week off time before your pct, run it at 500 ius 2x a week.

Yep, no problem getting it - I've just calculated I'm in my 14th week of 500 mg's of test e a week...have now upped that to 750 mg's a week and will continue on 750 for another 4-5 weeks.

Thus, going by your suggestion (and with RC's helpful link), my cycle, HCG and PCT looks something like the following:

week 1-13 500 mg's test e
week 14-17 750 test e (this is where I?m at)

week 17-20 HCG: 3000 IU x 2 shots @ 5 day intervals,
1500 IU x 2 shots @ 5 day intervals (total 20 days or 3 weeks)

PCT starts 2 weeks after last test injection:

Clomid 50 mg's ed for 2 weeks
Nolva 30 mg's each day for 2 weeks

Please feel free to mix it up, add or subtract ? I'm thinking the clomid should be at a higher dose. Cheers all for the great responses!

C. Griswald · 10-06-2007, 08:18 AM

i would stay at 500mg's of test the whole time

maxed-out · 10-06-2007, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rubin Carter

My bad! In my previous post what i meant was for him to use Hcg ALL THE WAY TILL PCT as stated in the article i suggested him.

Thanks Mville

Yes RC I knew what you meant - I read the article and some great stuff...I've pretty much posted that suggestion (from the article) in my sample cycle and PCT above (the HCG protocol)

Cheers for the input bro

maxed-out · 10-06-2007, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tech2

i would stay at 500mg's of test the whole time

Hey bro, any particular reason why you think it's best to stay on 500? Please feel free to offer a suggestion.

PS previous post - I forgot to mention that I'm also using 100 ed of proviron in my cycle.

C. Griswald · 10-06-2007, 08:34 AM

because its your first cycle and with a spot on diet you will continue to grow rapidly for atleast 20 weeks. if you were going longer (which im not suggesting) then i would possibly move it up later. had you had a half a dozen cycles under your belt, i think 750 would be a good choice to bump up to. i think people over do it sometimes. i talk to guys in the gym running a gram, gram and a half, 2 grams of test a week, im thinking man why so much so fast. im just babbling, carry on

maxed-out · 10-06-2007, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tech2

because its your first cycle and with a spot on diet you will continue to grow rapidly for atleast 20 weeks. if you were going longer (which im not suggesting) then i would possibly move it up later. had you had a half a dozen cycles under your belt, i think 750 would be a good choice to bump up to. i think people over do it sometimes. i talk to guys in the gym running a gram, gram and a half, 2 grams of test a week, im thinking man why so much so fast. im just babbling, carry on

Bro it's a valid point and I hear you. I also thought that 500 would be sufficient yet the gains slowed right down and I started to feel a little lethargic, possibly because my body is becoming immune to the dose...so I felt it needed a kick start, so to speak. I plan to try it for a few weeks and observe if my strength picks up, if not, I?m probably going to end the cycle and start PCT. This is a bit of an experiment yet I?m keeping an eye open for any sides. To date none except for a little acne. I will keep every one posted

_Bladen_ · 10-06-2007, 08:50 AM

Don't extend your cycle.

Jaydigs1122 · 10-06-2007, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mville1035

DO NOT RUN HCG DURING PCT! HCG should only be ran during and up until pct as it DOES suppress your test levels... being in thailand you should have access to it very easily and i would recommend you get some asap, assuming your running long esters run it till your two week off time before your pct, run it at 500 ius 2x a week.

I would run HCG until one week before your pct. I would also only use 500IU once a week, not twice a week.

IMO

maxed-out · 10-06-2007, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by _Bladen_

Don't extend your cycle.

Fill me in bro - offer up your suggestions and advice...all appreciated and respected

_Bladen_ · 10-06-2007, 09:19 AM

Been suppresed for 15 weeks man... No HCG protocol as of yet... Your going to need HCG if your on longer than 10 weeks even with a ligher cycle... + at this point gains are going to be greatly diminished as you a have been on so long...

IMO if you keep going another 5 weeks you may end up ending up lighter than you would if you stopped now...

matthew250786 · 10-06-2007, 10:55 AM

Get yourself a copy of anabolics 2007 best ?50 i ever spent.almost all the information you could ever need is in there. in this thread alone, there is conflicting advice let alone half the threads on this site. pumping gear into your body on the advice of random people on the web is a bad idea. no offence to the guys on this site that are long time/educated users and know what they are doing.

AngeloBangelo · 10-06-2007, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by _Bladen_

Been suppresed for 15 weeks man... No HCG protocol as of yet... Your going to need HCG if your on longer than 10 weeks even with a ligher cycle... + at this point gains are going to be greatly diminished as you a have been on so long...

IMO if you keep going another 5 weeks you may end up ending up lighter than you would if you stopped now...

x2.

HCG should've been started a while ago. You can still do it of course, but I'd just end the cycle, use the HCG for 4 weeks, clomid for 2 and maybe extend the nolva to 4 weeks. Then plan for your next long cycle ahead of time instead of right when you were going to end it.