Why Batista should NOT be World Heavyweight Champion

[shaihulud]

[QUOTE=Lion Heart]^ Numbers wise....they both did. Neither one was a big draw while on top.

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But you can't necessarily place all the blame on Bret Hart for the lackluster crowds while he was champ. Look at the bookings, he had defenses against such awesome wrestlers as Doink the Clown, Isaak Yankem, etc . . .And as Bret stated, every good guy needs a good bad guy to be a draw. When Bret was having matches and defenses with Steve Austin and Shawn Michaels, those were huge draws. Bret made the most with what he had.

[HardGainer82]

batista has zero charisma. his championship reign is a complete and utter failure. at least cena can talk.

EDIT: plus, his strenght is WAY overrated. cena lifted batista on his shoulders at the royal rumble and basing by how much time he had him on his shoulders and considering it didn't look like he was struggling at all, it was baby weight for him. i HIGHLY doubt batista could lift kane on his shoulders for that much time. he couldn't even press trips at mania.

So I take it you missed him powerbombing Kane and Tomko?

[IronTank]

But you can't necessarily place all the blame on Bret Hart for the lackluster crowds while he was champ. Look at the bookings, he had defenses against such awesome wrestlers as Doink the Clown, Isaak Yankem, etc . . .And as Bret stated, every good guy needs a good bad guy to be a draw. When Bret was having matches and defenses with Steve Austin and Shawn Michaels, those were huge draws. Bret made the most with what he had.

Bret wasn't champ when he was fighting Doink, Yankem and Steve Austin at ppv's.

[P E E P]

So I take it you missed him powerbombing Kane and Tomko?

jericho used to double-powerbomb the rock WITH EASE and the rock was bigger than tomko.

[Lion Heart]

Actually you can because right or wrong the weight of the company and whether it does good or bad is placed on who is on top at the time.

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

I think Batista makes a great champ IMO has the look has the build and has earned this.

[NKWulf]

he is champ because of charisma....it seems they are trying to make him a "Rock" wannabe. I like him but he seems to be to Rock like imho.

[reignoffire]

Bret Hart was actually a massive draw for the company internationally. At the time, america's pro wrestling scene was in a slump anyway.

[BodyBuilder910]

Trips is about to get the strap back anyway....where it belongs! No way they are going to let Batista beat the Game 3 times in a row, hell in a cell is Trips speciality!

[B.A.B.]

the h never wrestled on raw when he was champ. Maybe like once a month he would and it would be in a tag match with flair or squashing the huricane. Like the iceman00 said all he did was deliver 15 minute promos to start off raw, then came out at the end of raw to interfer in some match.

Im just gonna disagree....I cant be bothered to type anything else!

[P E E P]

he is champ because of charisma....it seems they are trying to make him a "Rock" wannabe. I like him but he seems to be to Rock like imho.

batista charismatic? to quote christian, batista has charisma like tomko's got hair. seriously, how can you say that batista has charisma, when all the promos he cut so far were downward HORRIBLE.

[P E E P]

I think Batista makes a great champ IMO has the look has the build and has earned this.

earned this? this guy was in the wwe since two years and has done nothing, whereas christian has been in the wwe for a fricken long time, is better on the mic than the rock and stone cold, is an incredible talent in the ring and the last couple of weeks he was nearly as much cheered as ric flair. the bottomline is batista is a 5-move man and should have never get the belt. that world title belongs to christian, the most electrifying man in sports entertainment today.

[B.A.B.]

I agree with P E E P's last 2 posts 100%.

Let the flaming begin!

[Exist2Inspire]

earned this? this guy was in the wwe since two years and has done nothing, whereas christian has been in the wwe for a fricken long time, is better on the mic than the rock and stone cold, is an incredible talent in the ring and the last couple of weeks he was nearly as much cheered as ric flair. the bottomline is batista is a 5-move man and should have never get the belt. that world title belongs to christian, the most electrifying man in sports entertainment today.

Okay there's no way in hell Christian is better on the mic than The Rock or Steve Austin...or Jericho...or Angle...or Hogan...or Triple H. Hell, he's not even as good on the mic as JBL! I mean don't get me wrong, I like Christian and he is very good on the mic, but he's certainly not the best. He's comparable to guys like Edge, Booker T, Eddie Guerrero, Orton, etc. These guys are all very talented on the mic, but they are not the best. And no one...I mean NO ONE is more electrifying than The Rock!

[Jows073]

I think Batista as champion is fine. What people have to realise is that he is suffering from abysmal booking. He never wrestles? - why? because he comes in the ring for 5 mins beats everyone up and then leaves. He gets no time to do promo's, or wrestle. Hell he's wrestled about 4 times since his champion, hes been champion since April 3rd that's 7 weeks. The other 3 weeks he wasn't wrestling he hasn't exactly delievered vast amounts of promo's. Instead what we are treated to is like what happened 3 weeks ago a 15 MINUTE HHH PROMO. What is going on here? He isn't even the champ and he's taking most of the screen time. It should be Batista on the mic majority of the time - not HHH.

People say his in ring ability isn't good. Well how is it going to improve by giving the belt to HHH. That is simply isolating the problem not curing it. He needs matches, he needs screen time and he needs people like Benoit and Jericho who can help him with in ring ability. He doesn't just have to feud with HHH. Fine Edge is in the picture but theres Jericho, Benoit even Micheales. Jericho with him turning heel would be perfect then it could be a triple threat match for the belt or whatever. (HHH VS Jericho VS Batista)

I just think people are not giving him enough time and this highlights why I am not a fan of HHH. He isn't even champ, has excellent mic skills, yet he gets more promo and air time that Batista, it's just ridicolous.

[Lion Heart]

It doesn't matter how you draw internationally, what matters is how you do here in the u.s. (if you are an american based company).

You can say Bret was on top during a time when wrestling wasn't big (though the exception can be made for 1997) but again, whether it's right or wrong, the weight of the company and whether it does good or bad, always falls on who is on top as your shows, ppvs, etc are sold on them.

As for Christian being better than the rock etc on the mic that is laughable. I am a big Christian fan but the rock is light years ahead of him on the mic.

And if time in the company is reason why a person should be given the title, then there are others with more seniority in the wwe that should get it before christian.

[HardGainer82]

jericho used to double-powerbomb the rock WITH EASE and the rock was bigger than tomko.

I call BS.
1) Name the match. Jericho stopped using the double powerbomb WAAAY before he got to the level of facing the Rock. 2) The Rock is NOT bigger than Tomko. 3) Even if you're right, that still doesn't explain why you think Batista is weak just because Cena could pick him up...

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

earned this? this guy was in the wwe since two years and has done nothing, whereas christian has been in the wwe for a fricken long time, is better on the mic than the rock and stone cold, is an incredible talent in the ring and the last couple of weeks he was nearly as much cheered as ric flair. the bottomline is batista is a 5-move man and should have never get the belt. that world title belongs to christian, the most electrifying man in sports entertainment today.

I went to school with Christian here in my home town he has always been a joke in my books. Talent haha before they bump him up he needs a body first LOL

[Lion Heart]

I disagree with Christian being a joke

BUT

Poppapump does make a good point in that Christian really needs to beef up a bit before fans will ever consider him world title material.

[lionheart21]

jericho used to double-powerbomb the rock WITH EASE and the rock was bigger than tomko.

Man, I would love to see him go back to using the double-powerbomb as well as the stretch backbreaker he used to do back in WCW.

[lionheart21]

Okay there's no way in hell Christian is better on the mic than The Rock or Steve Austin...or Jericho...or Angle...or Hogan...or Triple H. Hell, he's not even as good on the mic as JBL! I mean don't get me wrong, I like Christian and he is very good on the mic, but he's certainly not the best. He's comparable to guys like Edge, Booker T, Eddie Guerrero, Orton, etc. These guys are all very talented on the mic, but they are not the best. And no one...I mean NO ONE is more electrifying than The Rock!

Orton talented on the mic? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

[B.A.B.]

Orton talented on the mic? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

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As for Jericho, i'd love to see him actually use the Walls of Jericho PROPERLY, a la the Lion Tamer

[IamCANADIANeh?]

People keep complaining that HHH gets to cut 15 min promos while Batista hardly wrestles. Reason? He is married to Steph.

Bret didn't draw while champ? I donno about that but let's name someone worse...Nash.

Why does Batista get this push? because he is big and Vince has a hard on for big guys. (See above with Nash as champ)

Maybe I read wrong but that person never said Christian was better than the Rock. BTW the Rock is not only not in WWE, he isn't even under contract by them.

Christian wont get a push because VINCE doesn't think he is big enough (back to him loving big men) not because the FANS don't think so. The fans love him now. Just like they loved RVD but that never went far (unfortanatly)

Jericho was more than a trasition champ and he HAs had a long title run. Remember him beating both the Rock and Austin at the same PPV to become the 1st undisputed champ? (I beleave he used a double powerbomb agianst the Rock here)

I don't know about them trying to make Batista the new Rock but I see them trying (or at least they were) to make Orton the new Rock.

Hmmm. Flair stood and did all the talking while Batista stood there? That NEVER happens. (See Heymen and Lesner most recently). Take a big guy who can't cut a promo to save his life and team him up with someone who can. Also, he has 5 moves and beats everyone in 2 mins? Remind you of anyone? *cough*Goldburg*cough*

Lastly...because he hardly ever defends the belt it doesn't mean much? Hell most of the belts hardly mean anything now. Oh sure lately they have let guys hold on to them for longer (Orton with the IC and Trips with the World) but for the most part...though Bitch-Off was more guilty of using title belts as a prop than anyone else.

[sweetmisery]

When Trips was champ, he wrestled a lot, just not title shots. Like tag team with fellow Evolution(ex) members, etc...

You want someone who hardly wrestle during his reign? JBL! On his last couple of months, he did tag with Angle and OJ, but before... nada.

And as a BIG Trips fan, I agree that his skills is limited, but it is still fun to watch, just like the Rock or Austin, thats the difference with others who got no skills AND not fun to watch.

[IronTank]

And as a BIG Trips fan, I agree that his skills is limited

His skills are limited?

[vanillaicetk]

I disagree with Christian being a joke

BUT

Poppapump does make a good point in that Christian really needs to beef up a bit before fans will ever consider him world title material.

I think I'm the only on this board that has ever debated Christian's size in his favor. I do believe he is "big" enough to be considered World Title material. Sure a little more size wouldn't hurt, but some people on here make it sound like he should be with the cruiserweights. In my eyes, Christian is as big as Jericho, Benjamin, Edge (just not as tall), Benoit, Guerrero, Orton, etc. He's of course not the biggest, but his size won't stop him from hopefully getting a World Title in this year or the next.

[Lion Heart]

Bret wasn't a draw.

Yeah, he drew in canada but to put even that in perspective HHH was a bigger draw up there than Bret.

[IamCANADIANeh?]

I think I'm the only on this board that has ever debated Christian's size in his favor. I do believe he is "big" enough to be considered World Title material. Sure a little more size wouldn't hurt, but some people on here make it sound like he should be with the cruiserweights. In my eyes, Christian is as big as Jericho, Benjamin, Edge (just not as tall), Benoit, Guerrero, Orton, etc. He's of course not the biggest, but his size won't stop him from hopefully getting a World Title in this year or the next.

I agree.

They put the belt on small guys before....HBK, Hart, maybe Edge (god I hope not), Jericho,

Look at SD's champ (Cena). Why can he be champ and Christian can't? (size wise)

[sweetmisery]

His skills are limited?

I meant that he is not as athletic or with an arsenal of moves as Benjamin or Benoit.

[Exist2Inspire]

Orton talented on the mic? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

Okay so he's a bit repetitive, but he's one of the best at pissing fans off and getting on their nerves.