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Why do Jews receive so much anti-semitism?
Whats really causing it? List the reasons and causes.
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09-27-2007, 09:10 PM
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Because the history.
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09-27-2007, 09:14 PM
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Because their culture / religion is supremacist, it teaches to promote other jews ahead of everyone else, so when they get in a country they tend to monopolyze all parts of that country including media and government, they use their power to support their interests instead of their host country's interests, with little reguard for the peoples lives they use, (Bolshevik Russia 50,000,000 russians killed, present day USA, Iraq War all about Israels interest.)
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09-27-2007, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dark side 89
Because the history.
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No because they were basically given a land that had people living there already .. ie palestine.
because they generally are well educated and have money.. everyone for some reason hates that.
because there is a perception out there that jews own the media and run it.... (which they do hold a fair amount of influence in)
because mainly they play the victim.
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09-27-2007, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dark side 89
Because the history.
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We also hate the nazis for their history...
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09-27-2007, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jahlighted
We also hate the nazis for their history...
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He's an israeli....
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09-27-2007, 09:22 PM
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because they're jewish an anti-semetism usually applies to jews.
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09-27-2007, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jahlighted
Whats really causing it? List the reasons and causes.
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They don't. But consider yourselves lucky that you get your own noun to replace "racism"!
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09-27-2007, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jahlighted
We also hate the nazis for their history...
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In the past, was so many problems, and today still have people with a bads prejudices.
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09-27-2007, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sclorch
Because their culture / religion is supremacist, it teaches to promote other jews ahead of everyone else,
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100% false.
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so when they get in a country they tend to monopolyze all parts of that country including media and government, they use their power to support their interests instead of their host country's interests, with little reguard for the peoples lives they use, (Bolshevik Russia 50,000,000 russians killed, present day USA, Iraq War all about Israels interest.)
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http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=26677
http://www.christianpost.com/article...e_Iraq_War.htm
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09-27-2007, 09:47 PM
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Because anything said against their imperialistic tendencies is immediately classified as anti-semitic.
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09-27-2007, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ll ReNeGaDe ll
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Yea that link is bull****.
It says that Jewish Americans oppose the war stonger than any other religious group in the U.S.
I think Muslims are opposed to the war a lil more than the Jews are...
Israel has been pushing for war the entire time and now they're pushing for a war in Iran.
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09-27-2007, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark_ey
Yea that link is bull****.
It says that Jewish Americans oppose the war stonger than any other religious group in the U.S.
I think Muslims are opposed to the war a lil more than the Jews are...
Israel has been pushing for war the entire time and now they're pushing for a war in Iran.
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Muslims obviously weren't part of the study. Don't cry that Jews oppose the war more than Protestants, Catholics, and Atheists, and Mormons.
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09-27-2007, 10:04 PM
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Like for example, the Bible says "don't worship idols." But the christians want to worship a human being = idolatry. So of course the people who became christians don't like being told that they are worshipping an idol. So what's the solution? Stop worshipping the idol? No. That would be too easy.  The solution becomes to "shoot the messenger."
So in a nutshell, that's why the Jews are hated: they're a reminder of the system and principles of Biblical morality that other people don't want to follow. They want to follow it "their own way."  Which of course has nothing to do with the correct way -- unless the Jews are wiped out, right? Then you can "follow" the Bible any way you want without the people who actually wrote it constantly reminding you that you don't know what you're talking about and you're doing it wrong. So that's one reason why they become targets of so much of the hatred, imo.
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09-27-2007, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ll ReNeGaDe ll
Muslims obviously weren't part of the study. Don't cry that Jews oppose the war more than Protestants, Catholics, and Atheists, and Mormons.
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If muslims weren't included in the poll, then they had one thing in mind, to create an image.
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09-27-2007, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark_ey
If muslims weren't included in the poll, then they had one thing in mind, to create an image.
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Keep trying to argue against scientific polls, see how far it gets you. LMAO.
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09-27-2007, 10:32 PM
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Keep trying to argue against scientific polls, see how far it gets you. LMAO.
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Whats this have to do with science
more of a public image thing
like public relations to try to cover ones own ass
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09-27-2007, 10:38 PM
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Whats this have to do with science
more of a public image thing
like public relations to try to cover ones own ass
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If you don't know what a scientific poll is please go back to school.
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09-27-2007, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ll ReNeGaDe ll
If you don't know what a scientific poll is please go back to school.
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I don't know what it is.
Could you tell me so I don't have to go back to school?
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09-27-2007, 11:50 PM
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Like for example, the Bible says "don't worship idols." But the christians want to worship a human being = idolatry. So of course the people who became christians don't like being told that they are worshipping an idol. So what's the solution? Stop worshipping the idol? No. That would be too easy.  The solution becomes to "shoot the messenger."
So in a nutshell, that's why the Jews are hated: they're a reminder of the system and principles of Biblical morality that other people don't want to follow. They want to follow it "their own way."  Which of course has nothing to do with the correct way -- unless the Jews are wiped out, right? Then you can "follow" the Bible any way you want without the people who actually wrote it constantly reminding you that you don't know what you're talking about and you're doing it wrong. So that's one reason why they become targets of so much of the hatred, imo.
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That doesn't explain why the Jews have been persecuted horribly in Muslim lands, seeing as both Muslims and Jews believe G-d is One,invisible and cannot be divided (like the Christian Trinity).
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09-27-2007, 11:54 PM
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As a Jew, I will not play the victim card here. If Jews have been perscuted for thousands of years it has to be both our fault and the fault of our host nations. Nobody is perfect. After all, it was because we disobeyed G-d that we were taken into captivity and kicked out of the Holy Land.
The way I see it is the way the Bible puts it. Whenever Jews sin, G-d sends other nations to destroy us. This happens ALOT in the Bible. G-d uses evil as a way of bringing good in the end. If Jews get persecuted and other nations rise up to destroy us, it is because G-d is passing Judgment on us.
Some Jews (if not all) might disagree with my post. I do anticipate that. But I worship G-d, not the Jewish people. We, like all the nations are sinners. All men are made in the image of G-d, Jews are not superior to anyone in anyway. G-d is LORD, not us.
The way I see it is persecution is a result of our sins. Whenever we depart from Torah and behave against G-d, G-d sends our enemies against us. This is a great lesson because it teaches us that even though we are His Chosen Nation, G-d is not a respecter of persons and His will comes first, not that of the Jews. It is the King of the Universe, Blessed be He, who makes the rules.
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09-28-2007, 12:13 AM
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I'm pretty sure it is written in the Bible that Israel will be a burden to all nations and that Israel will stand alone in the end times. So all the anti-semitism is not surprising.
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As a Jew, I will not play the victim card here. If Jews have been perscuted for thousands of years it has to be both our fault and the fault of our host nations. Nobody is perfect. After all, it was because we disobeyed G-d that we were taken into captivity and kicked out of the Holy Land.
The way I see it is the way the Bible puts it. Whenever Jews sin, G-d sends other nations to destroy us. This happens ALOT in the Bible. G-d uses evil as a way of bringing good in the end. If Jews get persecuted and other nations rise up to destroy us, it is because G-d is passing Judgment on us.
Some Jews (if not all) might disagree with my post. I do anticipate that. But I worship G-d, not the Jewish people. We, like all the nations are sinners. All men are made in the image of G-d, Jews are not superior to anyone in anyway. G-d is LORD, not us.
The way I see it is persecution is a result of our sins. Whenever we depart from Torah and behave against G-d, G-d sends our enemies against us. This is a great lesson because it teaches us that even though we are His Chosen Nation, G-d is not a respecter of persons and His will comes first, not that of the Jews. It is the King of the Universe, Blessed be He, who makes the rules.
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So you feel that anti-semitism is over a religious context? What types of sins are you talking about , because sin is subjective itself to each ideology/religion. I was asking more about the objective reality of why jews are receiving anti-semitism.
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09-28-2007, 12:21 AM
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Because anything said against their imperialistic tendencies is immediately classified as anti-semitic.
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for a country with imperialistic tendencies id say its pretty small in size... explain
we did had the sinai and gave it back to egypt
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So you feel that anti-semitism is over a religious context? What types of sins are you talking about , because sin is subjective itself to each ideology/religion. I was asking more about the objective reality of why jews are receiving anti-semitism.
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But you're not a Jew, nor do you believe in G-d like I do.
Put yourself in the position of a Bible believer.
I believe because Jews have sinned against G-d, that He sends the nations to pass His judgment on us.
Sin is of course in accordance to what is written in the Torah. There are way too many sins to list, but basically I believe that whenever Jews depart from the Torah, G-d punishes us.
G-d said that He would give the Jews a long happy life in the Holy Land if they behaved. But they didn't, so He "kicked us out" so to speak.
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That doesn't explain why the Jews have been persecuted horribly in Muslim lands, seeing as both Muslims and Jews believe G-d is One,invisible and cannot be divided (like the Christian Trinity).
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you're completely right, the muslims are actually much closer to the monotheistic, anti-idolatry stance of Judaism than the christians. but that was just one example. the fact is that since the existence of the Torah invalidates the claims of the koran (anything that claims to usurp the Torah for the sake of superseding it is obviously invalid), Judaism is still "inconvenient" for the muslims as long as there are Jews around to remind of the real meaning/s, significance, practices, etc. of the Torah. So it's the same underlying principle, which is that they want to "interpret" the Torah their own way, for their own ends and purposes, contrary to what it actually means and signifies.
And I would also guess Jewish/muslim relations have worsened since Israel was established, would you agree? And that doesn't help much. I'm not really too familiar with jewish/muslim relations before that time to know the extent to which they might have worsened because of the muslims' hangup over Israel, TBH. I imagine they weren't too great even before then, for the reason I outlined.
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Originally Posted by Sclorch
Because their culture / religion is supremacist, it teaches to promote other jews ahead of everyone else, so when they get in a country they tend to monopolyze all parts of that country including media and government, they use their power to support their interests instead of their host country's interests, with little reguard for the peoples lives they use, (Bolshevik Russia 50,000,000 russians killed, present day USA, Iraq War all about Israels interest.)
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I'm part Jewish but I see this truth. Be prepared to get bashed. I argue that is why there a 100's of years of history where INITIALLY, they were accepted into the host country, but later kicked out, after the proved to be subversive.
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Originally Posted by Mark_ey
Yea that link is bull****.
It says that Jewish Americans oppose the war stonger than any other religious group in the U.S.
I think Muslims are opposed to the war a lil more than the Jews are...
Israel has been pushing for war the entire time and now they're pushing for a war in Iran.
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I'm part Jewish but I see this truth. Be prepared to get bashed. I argue that is why there a 100's of years of history where INITIALLY, they were accepted into the host country, but later kicked out, after the proved to be subversive.
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Of course this doesn not apply to all, but a large MINORITY who gain power in commerce and finance. I believe the majority of ALL peoples are decent, but a sizeable minority can ruin it for the rest.
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If you don't know what a scientific poll is please go back to school.
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You are arguing with the political equivalent of a creationist. Don't expect logic to kick in anytime soon.
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I'm part Jewish but I see this truth. Be prepared to get bashed. I argue that is why there a 100's of years of history where INITIALLY, they were accepted into the host country, but later kicked out, after the proved to be subversive.
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I feel sorry for you.
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