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    Food after 8pm turns to fat.

    Okay I was walking out of the college gym the other day and saw a sign that said, Food after 8pm turns to fat.

    This is wrong correct? you all eat at night?

    The only problem I have at night is I like to munch on a lot of peanutbutter or something healthy but then literally go lie down and fall asleep with it in my stomache. Is this bad, should I wait at least two hours for food to digest before lying down for bed.

    If I eat at 10:00 and go to bed at 10:30, does it matter, or should I probably have stopped eating at 8?

    I am almost positive that the after 8pm thing is a myth however it was posted right in the fitness center. (Unless it was a myth poster board lol)
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    it better not be because i have 900 calories after 9 PM 0_O
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    Originally Posted by scoch View Post
    it better not be because i have 900 calories after 9 PM 0_O
    So you only eat 700 over the course of the day before then?
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    its absolutely true. eat nothing all day, then eat 100 calories at 8:01pm, and your waist will grow by 3" in the morning.
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    Yes its a myth.

    What makes them say 8? What if you go to sleep at midnight?

    THey are saying that due to the fact that the average persons activity levels wind down in the evening as we start to get ready for bed. So you wouldn't need as much carbs or whatever.

    My pwo meal is at 8pm on a daily basis. Then I eat again at 11 before I go to sleep. I would like to hope it was helping me get closer to my goal and not going to fat.
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    just limit your carbs before bedtime... your couple scoops of peanut butter is just fine
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    I wake up at 7pm for my night job, guess I gotta cram 5k cals in my face in an hour.
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    i eat at 10 and go to bed at 10:30 and im sitting at 4% BF.. you tell me..

    id get some protein with ur peanut butter .. go with cottage cheese.. some chicken. milk.. casein powder
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    i stick to protein/fat only in the evening (cottage cheese and fish oil)

    or if i work out late, ill have a carb source as well
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    Yes, food after 8 pm turns to fat, but food you eat at 7:59 is ok.

    I routinely eat anywhere from 30 min to 3 hours prebed. If you eat over what you need to maintain your current weight, you will gain fat, regardless of what time you stop eating.
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    Originally Posted by terracotta View Post
    Yes, food after 8 pm turns to fat, but food you eat at 7:59 is ok.

    I routinely eat anywhere from 30 min to 3 hours prebed. If you eat over what you need to maintain your current weight, you will gain fat, regardless of what time you stop eating.
    x2 well said.. i tried to sum that up like that .. but my cottage cheese sitting in front of me was calling my name.. so i had to take a bite and hit the send button
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    But...but...what if you switch TIME ZONES?!?!?! <:-O

    Haha...j/k. That sign is total bull, and just goes to show that you can find idiots even in institutions of knowledge.
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    two meals come after 8pm for me. i lift at night.
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    yeah if i were u find that sign and just detroy it.. or just take a spray can and write some graffiti on it or whatnot..

    dunno who would come up with that.. unless u ate mcdonalds about 3 times earlier in the day.. then eating after 8 would prob cause u to gain a bit
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    Originally Posted by ryanthestark View Post
    I wake up at 7pm for my night job, guess I gotta cram 5k cals in my face in an hour.
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    Originally Posted by Bronkko View Post
    two meals come after 8pm for me. i lift at night.
    same here....I think if food after 8pm turned into fat, this entire board would be huge.
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    But...but...what if you switch TIME ZONES?!?!?! <:-O

    Haha...j/k. That sign is total bull, and just goes to show that you can find idiots even in institutions of knowledge.
    These idiots are everywhere. Some of the personal trainers in my gym make the same kind of nonsensical statements such as don't eat after (fill in the blank). The other day I was waiting to use the assisted pullup machine and a trainer was leading someone on a workout on the machine and the person asked them what is this machine for and she replied "shoulders".
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    Originally Posted by dkf10425 View Post
    These idiots are everywhere. Some of the personal trainers in my gym make the same kind of nonsensical statements such as don't eat after (fill in the blank). I was waiting to use the assisted pullup machine and a trainer was leading someone on a workout on the machine and the person asked them what is this machine for and she replied "shoulders".
    X-D LOL

    I always imagine that those are the people who couldn't figure out what they wanted in life, and being a PT seemed easy because in some cert programs you can pay $300 to take a 3-day course, an exam, and then, ta-da, get a job! They have no real knowledge of the field and it's unfortunate, to say the very least.
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    hahah if that was true the whole board would be morbidly obese and this would be considered a body killing board
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    Utter bull****. I have 1000+ calories after midnight lol.
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    There's a degree of truth to it, but they completely missed the point with their sign.

    The body does not, in fact, process carbs as well later in the day and carbs later in the day, especially at night, are more likely to be stored as fat.

    But lean protein/fatty foods probably aren't going to be stored as fat.
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    Originally Posted by kevinWCU View Post
    Okay I was walking out of the college gym the other day and saw a sign that said, Food after 8pm turns to fat.

    This is wrong correct? you all eat at night?

    The only problem I have at night is I like to munch on a lot of peanutbutter or something healthy but then literally go lie down and fall asleep with it in my stomache. Is this bad, should I wait at least two hours for food to digest before lying down for bed.

    If I eat at 10:00 and go to bed at 10:30, does it matter, or should I probably have stopped eating at 8?

    I am almost positive that the after 8pm thing is a myth however it was posted right in the fitness center. (Unless it was a myth poster board lol)
    I know you should'nt feed a Mogwai after 8pm.
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    what about lactose i eat sugar free home made ice cream before i got to bed because cottage cheese isnt sold in large amounts around here
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    Cool

    This is long but very interesting. It is written by Art DeVany. Extremely intelligent man. Practices what he preaches and by his most recent photo , IT DOES WORK!!!

    If you eat more like he suggests you won't have to worry about eating after 8 pm.

    A Study of the Evolutionary Diet -- It Works
    July 14, 2007 04:10 PM

    This is a rather long post because it is so important. If you are interested in your health and want evidence regarding the Evolutionary Diet, you should read it.

    Dr. Krikorian sent me an abstract of what seems to be the first experimental, controlled study of the Evolutionary or Paleolithic Diet that systematically compares it with the Mediterranean Diet. It has not been published yet, but I managed to get the pre-publication version. The only published studies of the Evolutionary or Old Stone Age diet are not experimental; they come from ethnographic studies of Eskimos (Lundborg lived on an all meat diet patterned after the Eskimos he had studied for a year), and studies of various humans living in near Paleolithic environments or with diet and activity levels that correspond to ancestral patterns have documented the near absence of modern diseases such as diabetes, high blood pressure, ischemic heart disease, or other markers of metabolic syndrome. Because it is a controlled experiment of the Evolutionary or Paleolithic diet, I urge those of you who are struggling with diets to take note. And, not also that the subjects are already sick and have quite poor metabolic fitness as the underlying common factor (and likely cause) and still responded very positively to the diets.

    The purpose of the study is to examine the Paleolithic Diet relative to the diet usually recommended to subjects with impaired glucose tolerance (IGT) or ischemic heart disease (IHD). According to the authors,

    Standard dietary advice for patients with IHD and/ or IGT generally includes whole-grain cereals, low-fat dairy products, vegetables, fruits, legumes, oily fish and refined fats that are rich in monounsaturated fatty acids and alphalinolenic acid while low in trans-unsaturated fatty acids [15? 17].

    However, the optimal dietary treatment of IGT and insulin resistance is a matter of debate, including the preferred amounts and types of fat, carbohydrate and protein [16, 18?21], and amounts of fruits [22] and sodium [23, 24]. Since nutritional science is hampered by confounders, an evolutionary approach has been suggested. It is postulated that foods that were regularly eaten during primate and human evolution, in particular during the Palaeolithic (the ?Old Stone Age,? 2.5?0.01 million years BP), may be optimal to prevent insulin resistance and glucose intolerance [25, 26].

    A Palaeolithic diet includes lean meat, fish, shellfish, fruits, vegetables, roots, eggs and nuts, but not grains, dairy products, salt or refined fats and sugar, which became staple foods long after the appearance of fully modern humans.

    We have all seen the standard diet recommended by most doctors and diet books and it is the one most people have a hard time sticking to. Yet, they cling to it, ostensibly because everybody recommends it, but really because they can still eat the bread, cereal, yogurt, ice cream, potato chips, even cookies on the grounds that they are eating grains. They really are sabotaging their metabolism and deteriorating their glucose tolerance (a test of insulin sensitivity and response). A typical response from someone when I tell them it is not so great to eat grains is that they eat whole grains. They really don't. You cannot get whole grain readily and it is almost always laden with milled flour for binding, flavor, and texture. And, whole grain wheat is so bitter that breads made from them are apt to be loaded with sugar.

    The key distinctions of the Evolutionary Fitness diet from the consensus recommendations for a healthy diet is the absence of grains and cereals (including rice), dairy products, salt, sugar (and sugar substitutes or artificial sweeteners), and processed fats or oils. I go further and include no beans.

    The subjects in the study were male IHD patients with a large waist (>94 cm) and high blood glucose or diabetes. Not a very healthy group to be sure. I note from the tables that they all had average fasting blood insulin levels of 102 (Paleolithic group) and 123 (Med group). [My fasting serum insulin is from 2 to 3. Now you see why I suggest you measure your insulin.]The variance was much higher in the Med group. The Paleo group were quite uniform in insulin level as shown by their low variance. The Med group had higher triglycerides. The subjects were randomized to the diets.

    How did it go?
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    After 12 weeks, the Paleo group lost 5.0 kilograms (std 3.3) and the Med group lost 3.8 (std 2.4). That is about 11 pounds lost for the Paleo group versus about 8 for the Med group. These are nice rates of weight loss, just over a pound a week.

    The Paleo group lost 5.6 and the Med group lost 3 cm of waist circumference. These losses would be expected to reduce their insulin resistance, with the Paleo group likely to have a better outcome. The glucose remaining after a test dose droppe for both groups, but far more for the Paleo group than the Med. The decline in glucose was 290 for the Paleo and 80 for the Med. The Paleo group had a much better improvement in their glucose tolerance which means they would have less glucose circulating in their blood, a very positive result.

    Insulin peak and disposal during a response to a glucose intake improved dramatically for the Paleo group and less for the Med group; -24.3 for the Paleo and -9.3 for the Meds. This means the Paleo group required less insulin to be released to drop the glucose taken for the test than did the Med group. Because both groups had essentially toxic levels of insulin in their blood, the decline in the insulin required to handle a shot of glucose is beneficial.

    Summarizing the food intake of the groups the authors said:

    Reported food composition differed between the two groups such that subjects in the Palaeolithic group had a much lower intake of dairy products, cereals and oil/ margarine, and a higher intake of fruits and nuts (Table 5). The intake of vegetables, meat, meat products or fish did not differ significantly between the groups. Total fat intake was low with no difference between the groups (Table 6). Absolute protein intake was identical in the two groups while relative protein intake (as a percentage of total energy intake [E%]) was higher in the Palaeolithic group. Absolute carbohydrate intake was 43% lower in the Palaeolithic group, and 23% lower in terms of E%. Glycaemic load was 47% lower in the Palaeolithic group and correlated strongly with cereal intake (r=0.75, p<0.0001).

    What about the effects of consuming fresh fruits (which many people avoid on the grounds that it contributes to weight gain)? And what about cereal consumption? After some adjustments for total energy intake and glycemic load, the authors found that waist loss increased with increasing fruit intake and decreased with increasing cereal intake.

    As do I, the authors argue that the laws of thermodynamics do not apply to weight loss in any simple way. They found that the weight loss in the Paleo group was greater than would be expected from their total caloric intake. A rise in body temperature and greater activity would easily account for the weight loss being greater than the lower energy intake would explain.

    Their conclusion, which I argue for almost daily here on my blog is:


    In conclusion, we found marked improvement of glucose
    tolerance in IHD patients with increased blood glucose or
    diabetes after advice to follow a Palaeolithic diet compared
    with a healthy Western diet. The larger improvement of
    glucose tolerance in the Palaeolithic group was independent
    of energy intake and macronutrient composition, which
    suggests that avoiding Western foods is more important
    than counting calories, fat, carbohydrate or protein. The
    study adds to the notion that healthy diets based on wholegrain
    cereals and low-fat dairy products are only the second
    best choice in the prevention and treatment of type 2
    diabetes.

    The citation to the study is S. Lindeberg & T. J?nsson & Y. Granfeldt & E. Borgstrand & J. Soffman & K. Sj?str?m & B. Ahr?n "A Palaeolithic diet improves glucose tolerance more than a Mediterranean-like diet in individuals with ischaemic heart disease," Diabetologia (to be published).
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    I really don't see how the above study has anything to do with eating close to "bed time" at all... Wish I had skipped over it.

    [Not to mention, even if it did have some pertinence, the study is pretty useless to most bodybuilders. Maybe (and I stress MAYBE) to those who are overweight it may have some importance, but the external validity is pretty weak in this case.]
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    As for the topic at hand.....

    I "know" its a myth that eating at night makes you fat because of "calories in vs. calories out," but... Anytime it's physiologically explained to me why carbs eaten at night have a higher chance of being stored as fat instead of glycogen or being used directly for energy, it DOES seem to make sense to me....


    Anybody have a strong background that could explain or dispel this?
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    Originally Posted by Ichiroo View Post
    As for the topic at hand.....

    I "know" its a myth that eating at night makes you fat because of "calories in vs. calories out," but... Anytime it's physiologically explained to me why carbs eaten at night have a higher chance of being stored as fat instead of glycogen or being used directly for energy, it DOES seem to make sense to me....


    Anybody have a strong background that could explain or dispel this?
    basically because its assumed that your activity level is going to be low/non existant at night so u wont burn off the carbs.. p.s. im eating as im typing this and its past 1:30 AM omg dA cArBZ iZz goNNA makE mE fAT
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