I found the exerpt below on another site in a featured article. Bodybuilding.com is a link on their site page.
What is your take on this comment, especially the parethesized part?
"Since the millennium there has been a push for Bodybuilding to be deemed an Olympic sport, which looks unlikely, not just because of Bodybuilding's cloudy history with steroid use, but also because it's still being debated as to whether or not Bodybuilding is actually a sport (the craft involves no real athletic effort)."
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I found the exerpt below on another site in a featured article. Bodybuilding.com is a link on their site page.
What is your take on this comment, especially the parethesized part?
"Since the millennium there has been a push for Bodybuilding to be deemed an Olympic sport, which looks unlikely, not just because of Bodybuilding's cloudy history with steroid use, but also because it's still being debated as to whether or not Bodybuilding is actually a sport (the craft involves no real athletic effort)."
Whoever wrote this has never trained like a bodybuilder before. The statement in ( )
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Whoever wrote this has never trained like a bodybuilder before. The statement in ( )
Actually, they didn't credit an author, and in plain English...a writer would have to be a moron to include a statement like that when refering to an activity that requires a huge amount of athletic effort IMO.
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"it's always a good day to start lifting"
Flex Magazine, Mar. '07, pg.44
"There is no secret routine, there is no magical number of reps and sets. What there is, is confidence, belief, hard work on a consistant basis, and a desire to succeed. This is what I mean when I say accept your limits and when the time is right, you will push right through your limits time and time again, mentally and physically."
--Steve Justa
(1) : physical activity engaged in for pleasure (2) : a particular activity (as an athletic game) so engaged in
AHHH! You see, but THEY refer to it as a "craft"
from Merriam Webster:
CRAFT:
Pronunciation: \kraft\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, strength, skill, from Old English cr?ft; akin to Old High German kraft strength
Date: before 12th century
1: skill in planning, making, or executing
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"it's always a good day to start lifting"
Flex Magazine, Mar. '07, pg.44
"There is no secret routine, there is no magical number of reps and sets. What there is, is confidence, belief, hard work on a consistant basis, and a desire to succeed. This is what I mean when I say accept your limits and when the time is right, you will push right through your limits time and time again, mentally and physically."
--Steve Justa
whenever this topic gets dragged out, it boils down to whether or not what's happening on the bodybuilding stage is considered an athletic competition or an exhibition.
The competition folks say that because the quality of the posing requires considerable exertion and skill, it's an athletic contest
The exhibition camp say that unlike a powerlifting competition, there's no real skill or prowess involved in being judged on your physique
MW defines bodybuilding as an exhibition but IMHO, the person who wrote that never did a posedown
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whenever this topic gets dragged out, it boils down to whether or not what's happening on the bodybuilding stage is considered an athletic competition or an exhibition.
The competition folks say that because the quality of the posing requires considerable exertion and skill, it's an athletic contest
The exhibition camp say that unlike a powerlifting competition, there's no real skill or prowess involved in being judged on your physique
I guess my comment actually boilds down to whomever wrote that spewing the part about, "...no real athletic effort"
Are they kidding me?
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"it's always a good day to start lifting"
Flex Magazine, Mar. '07, pg.44
"There is no secret routine, there is no magical number of reps and sets. What there is, is confidence, belief, hard work on a consistant basis, and a desire to succeed. This is what I mean when I say accept your limits and when the time is right, you will push right through your limits time and time again, mentally and physically."
--Steve Justa
I guess my comment actually boilds down to whomever wrote that spewing the part about, "...no real athletic effort"
Are they kidding me?
yeah but the article's context was in reference to the actual competition itself, not to the process required to get to the stage. The author isn't suggesting that bodybuilder's don't exert themselves in the gym, he's saying that competitive bodybuilding doesn't meet his criteria for an Olympic "sporting event"
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Actually, they didn't credit an author, and in plain English...a writer would have to be a moron to include a statement like that when refering to an activity that requires a huge amount of athletic effort IMO.
I said whoever wrote it I made no reference to an author.
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There's no question that bodybuilding is most definitely a sport. What crap that is, particularly in the parentheses. They should definitely take a look at the training aspect of bodybuilding. Hmmm... I wonder if there would be a way to make THAT part competitive?
Although there is no doubt in my mind that bodybuilding is a sport, I do agree with those who say that it probably shouldn't be considered as an Olympic sport.. but not for the reasons most of them use.
My only problem with awarding Olympic medals in bodybuilding would be that the judging can be pretty subjective. There is nothing that the athlete can do at that moment, to excel above other athletes, physically. It would have had to be done months ago.
So aside from the exhibitive aspect (the posing).. how can bodybuilding athletes really compete against one another, physically, to gain an advantage at the time of the competition?
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So aside from the exhibitive aspect (the posing).. how can bodybuilding athletes really compete against one another, physically, to gain an advantage at the time of the competition?
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The competition folks say that because the quality of the posing requires considerable exertion and skill, it's an athletic contest
just to play Devil's Advocate, many Olympic sports have subjective judging. What makes one gymnast's routine "better" than another's?
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I love going toe to toe on this topic. Just follow any Regional level or higher Competetive bodybuilder thru his training and on to the stage in a protracted pose down. I trained a national level tennis champion who had a desire to Compete in one bodybuilding show. 6 months later he was sitting backstage with his 3rd place trophy on his lap. He could not stand without help. He was at his trails end. Whipped. Dave told me that this venture was the most difficult athletic event he ever did. He held on to that piece of plastic like it was the Davis Cup.
Now, I had to use the C word to get bodybuilding into the "sport" arena. Yes, and I will stand with that conviction.
just to play Devil's Advocate, many Olympic sports have subjective judging. What makes one gymnast's routine "better" than another's?
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I love going toe to toe on this topic. Just follow any Regional level or higher Competetive bodybuilder thru his training and on to the stage in a protracted pose down. I trained a national level tennis champion who had a desire to Compete in one bodybuilding show. 6 months later he was sitting backstage with his 3rd place trophy on his lap. He could not stand without help. He was at his trails end. Whipped. Dave told me that this venture was the most difficult athletic event he ever did. He held on to that piece of plastic like it was the Davis Cup.
Now, I had to use the C word to get bodybuilding into the "sport" arena. Yes, and I will stand with that conviction.
I'll play advocate also
In all fairness.. just posing for my progress pics wears me out! LOL!!
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(1) : physical activity engaged in for pleasure (2) : a particular activity (as an athletic game) so engaged in
By defination Webster considers sex a sport (1).
Sport is really subjective. For instance I don't consider hunting a sport. Nor do I think of the term "harvest" in conjuction with killing an animal is accurate. Sport to me is anything that is played with a score or a means of determining a winner along with a degree of athletic ability. So under my defination competitive bodybuilding is a sport, non competitive bodybuilding is just damn hard work.
My only problem with awarding Olympic medals in bodybuilding would be that the judging can be pretty subjective. There is nothing that the athlete can do at that moment, to excel above other athletes, physically. It would have had to be done months ago.
I almost posted the exact same thing! But, when I thought about it before hitting that little -submit reply- button, I realised, the Olympics does also already have subjective competitions in it.. like figureskating.
just to play Devil's Advocate, many Olympic sports have subjective judging. What makes one gymnast's routine "better" than another's?
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I almost posted the exact same thing! But, when I thought about it before hitting that little -submit reply- button, I realised, the Olympics does also already have subjective competitions in it.. like figureskating.
That's a good point too. Sometimes whoever medals in figure skating can depend just as much upon who's judging as it can on who's skating.. probably even more so! Unless a skater falls on his/her butt! LOL
In that way, a skater can still make or break their own score, either by skating a perfect routine.. or falling flat on their faces.
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Personally, I really don't care what it's called. If I did it to compete, then I'd compete no matter what term is used. Maybe they should just call it a "competition", since you actually compete against other people...???
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just to play Devil's Advocate, many Olympic sports have subjective judging. What makes one gymnast's routine "better" than another's?
I agree. Also, consider figure skating, or diving. However, the subjectivity of the judging in these sports involves evaluating a given performance of an athletic event; whereas the judging in bodybuilding is a subjective evaluation of a mostly aesthetic event. The undoubted athleticism in bodybuilding resides in the background. In gymnastics and figure skating aesthetics is important as a means to an end; but in bodybuilding aesthetics is an end in itself. In good gymnastic and figure skating championships, like good bodybuilding competitions (at high levels), judges often face hairsplitting subjectivities as to who gets the nod (hence the 9.7 vs. 9.99, etc.), but I suspect that there is more agreement among judges as to what comprises the ideal in the other sports than there is in bodybuilding (mass vs. lean, posing vs. dancing, etc.). Just my opinion.
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I agree. Also, consider figure skating, or diving. However, the subjectivity of the judging in these sports involves evaluating a given performance of an athletic event; whereas the judging in bodybuilding is mostly a subjective evaluation of a mostly aesthetic event. The undoubted athleticism in bodybuilding resides in the background. In gymnastics and figure skating aesthetics is important as a means to an end; but in bodybuilding aesthetics is an end in itself. In good gymnastic and figure skating championships, like good bodybuilding competitions (at high levels), judges often face hairsplitting subjectivities as to who gets the nod (hence the 9.7 vs. 9.99, etc.), but I suspect that there is more agreement among judges as to what comprises the ideal in the other sports than there is in bodybuilding (mass vs. lean, posing vs. dancing, etc.). Just my opinion.
strong vocabulary!
for a second there, I thought Carl123 hacked your account
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Regardless it will never be an Olympic sport. The failure by the IFBB to even pretend they are drug testing is an insurmountable obstacle. Besides it's essentially a beauty pagent. It is an event based soley on appearance. Other subjective sports such as skating involve performing specific athletic skills.
From an outsider's perspective, I personally would find the hardest part of a contest to be the pre-contest diet. I have the utmost respect for anyone who can put themselves through that year after year.
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Flex Magazine, Mar. '07, pg.44
"There is no secret routine, there is no magical number of reps and sets. What there is, is confidence, belief, hard work on a consistant basis, and a desire to succeed. This is what I mean when I say accept your limits and when the time is right, you will push right through your limits time and time again, mentally and physically."
--Steve Justa
There are a lot of "sports" in the Olympics I consider more performance than sport. If synchronized swimming and rhythmic gymnastics count, why not ballet?
Then there are competitions that aren't especially athletic - like curling. Well, why not bridge? Did you know that bridge (yes, the card game) is actually a "recognized sport" by the Olympic committee? Competition, yes - sport... uh, NO.
To become an Olympic sport, the IFBB or another organization would have to first become a recognized sport - and since the basic requirement for that (more than whether it's "really" an athletic sport per se, apparently) is "apply the Olympic Movement Anti-Doping Code and conduct effective out-of-competition tests in accordance with the established rules" - that ain't gonna happen, unless a natural BBing organization decides to pursue it.
If the latter were to occur, it might be very good for the sport and help overcome some of the negative public opinion of bodybuilding.
Bodybuilding=Sport?
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