a very low carb diet is useless?

[gom]

low carb diet for losing fat is useless...?? im getting the carbs from veggies + 20 carbs from my whey protein...im wasting my time?

the carbs i get from my protein shakes counts?

[sgermann]

Yes. To lose weight you need to take i fewer calories than you use. Where those calories come from doesn't really make much of a difference.

[MrSinister]

some can handle low carb.. i personally couldnt, but i agree with above to an extent, just get your calorie intake but get your macros too, spread out over fat, carbs and protein.. if u keep the carbs low then at least make sure the fats and protein and upped to compensate, but how your energy levels/strength are going to handle this you wont know till you try.

[hobscrk777]

Originally Posted by gom

low carb diet for losing fat is useless...?? im getting the carbs from veggies + 20 carbs from my whey protein...im wasting my time?

the carbs i get from my protein shakes counts?

What kind of whey has 20g of carbs? Either you're taking a poor whey protein with more carbs than protein, or you've got a whey with a low amount of carbs but you're taking way too much whey.

[eddiebo]

Originally Posted by gom

low carb diet for losing fat is useless...?? im getting the carbs from veggies + 20 carbs from my whey protein...im wasting my time?

the carbs i get from my protein shakes counts?

For the whey Biochem's ultra low carb whey should do the trick. Natural flavor has no added sugar.

For an Atkins style diet you have to even limit the vegetable intake to reach a ketosis state. Are you trying to see that style of dramatic results?

Otherwise you will only see weight loss benefits from lowering the calories by reducing the carbs.

[eddiebo]

Originally Posted by MrSinister

some can handle low carb.. i personally couldnt, but i agree with above to an extent, just get your calorie intake but get your macros too, spread out over fat, carbs and protein.. if u keep the carbs low then at least make sure the fats and protein and upped to compensate, but how your energy levels/strength are going to handle this you wont know till you try.

Not to predispose you, but have heard a lot of people say they had a lot of issue with low/no energy with diets especially a ketosis/atkins style diet. Though adding too much fat and protein may also defeat the purpose. Simply said diets are rough.

[MrSinister]

Originally Posted by eddiebo

Not to predispose you, but have heard a lot of people say they had a lot of issue with low/no energy with diets especially a ketosis/atkins style diet. Though adding too much fat and protein may also defeat the purpose. Simply said diets are rough.

yeah, i just dunno how people can cut carbs so good.. just something i wasnt able to do and be happy.. so much food in my diet has carbs and i couldnt imagine dropping so much of it

[PROT]

most meat is too lean now but I use bacon and sausage a lot. When on Atkins I ate an apple a day for the first phase. I lost 16 pounds in 14 days. Low carb works but protein shakes are not the way to go. Whey protein absorbs too fast and goes right through me. Food is the key.. Eat lots of meat and eggs and nuts(not peanuts). Also avoid any protein with phenylalanine in it...read aspartame or nutrasweet. They are poisons and actually have been shown to increase appetite for sweets.

[gom]

Originally Posted by hobscrk777

What kind of whey has 20g of carbs? Either you're taking a poor whey protein with more carbs than protein, or you've got a whey with a low amount of carbs but you're taking way too much whey.

5 scoops = 120 grams of protein & 20 carb

[Random907]

Originally Posted by gom

5 scoops = 120 grams of protein & 20 carb

Drink less protein shakes and eat more actual food.

[tinyman5000]

Wow, thats way too much whey

[MrSinister]

im assuming he means over the course of the day... i get in 5 scoops daily myself, but im pretty sure the optimum brand i use still doesnt have 20g of carbs in all that.

[Evan2007]

For me personally...

Low carb = uncontrollable cravings = massive binges

I like to go moderate carbs and just push up the intensity with the cardio

[Random907]

Originally Posted by Evan2007

For me personally...

Low carb = uncontrollable cravings = massive binges

I like to go moderate carbs and just push up the intensity with the cardio

Lack of will power will prevent you from reaching your potential, work on it.

[PyroBurns]

Some people just function better on different things.

I'm much more happy and energetic than I ever was eating both mainly junk food, and a healthy high carb diet.

I saw someone say that keto was a low/no energy diet which is completely false by the way.

[Belloc]

what's the point your body will break down protein to convert it to carbs anyway



"However, the brain requires about 120 g. of glucose per day (equivalent to the sugar in 3 cans of soda), and at this rate the brain will quickly use up the body's remaining carbohydrate stores. However, the body has a "backup plan" which involves molecules known as ketone bodies. Ketone bodies are short-chain derivatives of fatty acids. These shorter molecules can cross the blood-brain barrier and can be used by the brain as an emergency metabolic fuel.

After 2-3 days of starvation, the liver begins to synthesize ketone bodies from precursors obtained from fatty acid breakdown. The brain uses these ketone bodies as fuel, thus cutting its requirement for glucose. After fasting for 3 days, the brain gets 30% of its energy from ketone bodies. After 4 days, this goes up to 70%.

"However, the body is not able to selectively decide which cells will break down protein and which will not. In effect, all cells will break down protein, and essential cells (such as lung cells) are just as likely to be broken down as nonessential cells (such as muscle cells). The problem is that proteins are essential to the structure and metabolism of the cell. Most cells cannot tolerate the loss of very much protein. Furthermore, about 2-3 g of protein has to be broken down to synthesise 1 g of glucose - so to make 10 g of glucose, about 20-30 g of protein is broken down each day to keep the brain alive."

[eddiebo]

Originally Posted by PyroBurns

Some people just function better on different things.

I'm much more happy and energetic than I ever was eating both mainly junk food, and a healthy high carb diet.

I saw someone say that keto was a low/no energy diet which is completely false by the way.

That was me who said I understood or heard keto was a low/no energy diet. You may very well be right. I personally have not done a keto diet.
Repeating what I have heard personally and seen on here. I will say the folks who have made the low energy claim were quite extreme with the weight loss and were very strict with it, as in a low calorie and high exercise routine.
May very well be individual or psychosomatic and is not profound for me so probably should not have said anything. Though, perhaps you have an experience that can shed some light this way.

[eddiebo]

Originally Posted by Belloc

what's the point your body will break down protein to convert it to carbs anyway



"However, the brain requires about 120 g. of glucose per day (equivalent to the sugar in 3 cans of soda), and at this rate the brain will quickly use up the body's remaining carbohydrate stores. However, the body has a "backup plan" which involves molecules known as ketone bodies. Ketone bodies are short-chain derivatives of fatty acids. These shorter molecules can cross the blood-brain barrier and can be used by the brain as an emergency metabolic fuel.

After 2-3 days of starvation, the liver begins to synthesize ketone bodies from precursors obtained from fatty acid breakdown. The brain uses these ketone bodies as fuel, thus cutting its requirement for glucose. After fasting for 3 days, the brain gets 30% of its energy from ketone bodies. After 4 days, this goes up to 70%.

"However, the body is not able to selectively decide which cells will break down protein and which will not. In effect, all cells will break down protein, and essential cells (such as lung cells) are just as likely to be broken down as nonessential cells (such as muscle cells). The problem is that proteins are essential to the structure and metabolism of the cell. Most cells cannot tolerate the loss of very much protein. Furthermore, about 2-3 g of protein has to be broken down to synthesise 1 g of glucose - so to make 10 g of glucose, about 20-30 g of protein is broken down each day to keep the brain alive."

I recall having learned the body somehow nurtures the vital organs above all else. Though you're probably right there is cellular breakdown throughout the entire body. Though I cannot put a name or process behind it, so may very well be bogus. Perhaps there is such a mechanism? Am not a student of biology or medicine by any means so would have been a fundemental class. Or perhaps it was a tall tale I took to heart?

[ColonialBoy]

Originally Posted by Belloc

After 2-3 days of starvation,

This is a bodybuilding forum, not anorexia.

[gfundaro]

Originally Posted by Belloc

what's the point your body will break down protein to convert it to carbs anyway



"However, the brain requires about 120 g. of glucose per day (equivalent to the sugar in 3 cans of soda), and at this rate the brain will quickly use up the body's remaining carbohydrate stores. However, the body has a "backup plan" which involves molecules known as ketone bodies. Ketone bodies are short-chain derivatives of fatty acids. These shorter molecules can cross the blood-brain barrier and can be used by the brain as an emergency metabolic fuel.

After 2-3 days of starvation, the liver begins to synthesize ketone bodies from precursors obtained from fatty acid breakdown. The brain uses these ketone bodies as fuel, thus cutting its requirement for glucose. After fasting for 3 days, the brain gets 30% of its energy from ketone bodies. After 4 days, this goes up to 70%.

"However, the body is not able to selectively decide which cells will break down protein and which will not. In effect, all cells will break down protein, and essential cells (such as lung cells) are just as likely to be broken down as nonessential cells (such as muscle cells). The problem is that proteins are essential to the structure and metabolism of the cell. Most cells cannot tolerate the loss of very much protein. Furthermore, about 2-3 g of protein has to be broken down to synthesise 1 g of glucose - so to make 10 g of glucose, about 20-30 g of protein is broken down each day to keep the brain alive."

Hehehe...do you just copy and paste from Wikipedia without any understanding of the processes and context in which we're discussing this way of eating?
Your posts are like watching the news.

[A.J.PT]

Originally Posted by sgermann

Yes. To lose weight you need to take i fewer calories than you use. Where those calories come from doesn't really make much of a difference.

I beg to differ. There has been several scientific studies shown that protein has a thermic effect and requires more calories to digest than carbs which would contribute to a calorie defecit (although only a small but if each meal is high protein your going to expend a lot more calories if your meals were all high carb)