Watch out pure ATD run for the hills!

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Author L. Rea
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As to pure ATD, it really does have poor bioavailability so would suggest using one of the improved analogs and complete formulas. ATD along can be a problem.

[dtrain13]

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As to pure ATD, it really does have poor bioavailability so would suggest using one of the improved analogs and complete formulas. ATD along can be a problem.

LMFAO.....Check this out:http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ht=houseofpain

[SKYWALKER09]

Its un-real the way **** markets their products to potential customers. Some of this marketing crap can only go so far until it drops to legal gears level.

[JohnDoh]

I have been trying to get some answers about the missing in action Ultra Hot from ****, and they just don't respond.

Ultra Hot is either "temporarily out of stock" according to the **** website, or "discontinued" according to the store site here at BB.com, or being changed to a new version according to one poster in another thread here.

My email to "sales" at **** has been ignored for close to a week now, and a follow-up email to "raven" a few days later has fared no better. My emails were simple inquiries and not accusatory or critical of their products.

The ad copy for UH and other **** products has the kind of punch that alternately makes you want to buy ten of everything or grab your wallet and run in the other direction. Their marketing style, however, has sure not been very agressive in my attempts to "Contact Us." I realize I'm just one little customer, but you'd think they'd be a little more anxious to please.

Not trying to hijack an ATD thread here, just observing **** is gonna lose me (others) by default if they can't answer simple questions.

[dtrain13]

I have been trying to get some answers about the missing in action Ultra Hot from ****, and they just don't respond.

Ultra Hot is either "temporarily out of stock" according to the **** website, or "discontinued" according to the store site here at BB.com, or being changed to a new version according to one poster in another thread here.

My email to "sales" at **** has been ignored for close to a week now, and a follow-up email to "raven" a few days later has fared no better. My emails were simple inquiries and not accusatory or critical of their products.

The ad copy for UH and other **** products has the kind of punch that alternately makes you want to buy ten of everything or grab your wallet and run in the other direction. Their marketing style, however, has sure not been very agressive in my attempts to "Contact Us." I realize I'm just one little customer, but you'd think they'd be a little more anxious to please.

Not trying to hijack an ATD thread here, just observing **** is gonna lose me (others) by default if they can't answer simple questions.

Agreed. I am not a huge fan of **** products with the exception of Ergomax and Max LMG. IMO UH is overpriced and not cost effective. Just my .02

[UberBerzerker]

ultra hot is being reformulated as ultra hotter - no ****.


should be avaiable in the next week or so from what I read on Another Messageboard.com

[samv12]

ultra hot is being reformulated as ultra hotter - no ****.


should be avaiable in the next week or so from what I read on Another Messageboard.com

lol

[inprogress2]

ultra hot is being reformulated as ultra hotter - no ****.


should be avaiable in the next week or so from what I read on Another Messageboard.com

nice

[dtrain13]

ultra hot is being reformulated as ultra hotter - no ****.


should be avaiable in the next week or so from what I read on Another Messageboard.com

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[factotum]

Ultra Hotter? I sure hope they put more thought into the reformulated product than they do for it's name.

[UberBerzerker]

Ultra Hotter? I sure hope they put more thought into the reformulated product than they do for it's name.

guess you won't be buying up that first batch of elephant max then, eh???


j/k


they do suck at naming stuff....

[myPecsRbigger]

they suck at marketing period because confusion is sucha good tool to sell products, i loved ergomax tho

[dbish77]

ultra hot is being reformulated as ultra hotter - no ****.


should be avaiable in the next week or so from what I read on Another Messageboard.com

I like Author's Minions.com

[factotum]

The ignored specific questions is just bunk. I have seen this alot lately on their products. Being a "good guy" aside, things like the customers are asking should not be dodged.

So you're saying ATD alone is fine? Let me guess, You're going to be selling an ATD only product as well? Hope you can beat Giant Nutrition's price of $20 because if you can't it's likely pointless. People will spend an extra buck to buy from PA and have peace of mind based solely on his rep.

[RepubCarrier]

So you're saying ATD alone is fine? Let me guess, You're going to be selling an ATD only product as well? Hope you can beat Giant Nutrition's price of $20 because if you can't it's likely pointless. People will spend an extra buck to buy from PA and have peace of mind based solely on his rep.

I think he will beat that price actually. But let's not turn the bias on those selling pure ATD, i.e. PA, Matt, DS; it's a freakin AI, it doesn't need the crap in Ultra Hot to absorb it or make it work better.

[UberBerzerker]

I like Author's Minions.com

stop copying my subliminal messaging text ideas, you hoooore!

[UberBerzerker]

unanswered questions?!?!? Like this?!
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showt...t=30969&page=4

This one pisses even ME off...ALR takes the time to make a post - and then proceeds to tell blazinred that not only does he not have time to mess around on forums cuz he works for a living(no ****) that also if blazinred has a question that he should ask it!!He already DID ask it and was gangbanged by the ALR zombies....jeeezus. Then he goes into something about a threatening manner or insult that blazinred supposedly used - I didn't see it...WTF?!?!


T H E N ...he makes the motherload of mistakes and assumes the guy has only been on the board a short time - somehow misunderstanding it says sine 2003 he's been there....

Noting your time on this board I have to assume you are not familiar with the structure. We are here to discuss, at our expense, questions and ideas with like minds. I certainly do invite you to so and always enjoy good minds.

I love that part...''at our expense'' yeah - costs you alot to be here and hype your products..wtf. and how do we interpret that last sentence? ''only if you don't bash our ****'' that's how

ugh..

[An Inconvenient Bro]

Hope you can beat Giant Nutrition's price of $20 because if you can't it's likely pointless.

you think this would actually be hard to do??

[Sixpack]

considering shipping is 8 bucks

you think this would actually be hard to do??

[david4zero8]

I am not talking about ATD...I am talking about unanswered emails regarding specific questions about their products. Take a look at the AM subforum to get an idea. People have been bumping a gyno thread for 2 months now with nothing in the way of help. That, with the other people here voicing concearns about not getting answers on how to use their products is just not cool.

That is true. I've noticed that also. What's the point in having a subcategory for **** if they are unwilling to answer the questions in their forum?

[DejaBlue55]

What's the price of the bulk ATD you guys get from China?

[SKYWALKER09]

What's the price of the bulk ATD you guys get from China?

5 yen, now wheres my egg foo yung damnit

[david4zero8]

5 yen, now wheres my egg foo yung damnit

Just for clarification, egg foo yung is a Chinese-American dish. It did not come from china, so your 5 yen is no good here. lol.

[Sir Foxx]

So you're saying ATD alone is fine? Let me guess, You're going to be selling an ATD only product as well? Hope you can beat Giant Nutrition's price of $20 because if you can't it's likely pointless. People will spend an extra buck to buy from PA and have peace of mind based solely on his rep.

Matt's rep is far above and beyond PA's. Not saying PA is a bad guy in anyway, but Matt is above reproach when it comes to how he runs his business and how he deals with his customers.

[skelooth]

all of the bashing and smack talking aside, what are you guys trying to say? That ATD won't work because it's not bioavailable enough? Can't this be partly corrected by eating it with a high fat meal?

All of this smack talking and bashing of guys who sell supps is really not very productive...

[dbish77]

you think this would actually be hard to do??

DO IT!! NOW!!! I command you!!!

[Brooklyn Zoo]

If Matt does release ATD, I would think it a good idea to release it combined with the 3-OHAT that is in Novedex XT/Ultra Hot, since both Gaspari and **** seem to think it improves the increase in the amount of Test. I'm not sure, offhand, if that's in Rebound XT as well.

[dtrain13]

If Matt does release ATD, I would think it a good idea to release it combined with the 3-OHAT that is in Novedex XT/Ultra Hot, since both Gaspari and **** seem to think it improves the increase in the amount of Test. I'm not sure, offhand, if that's in Rebound XT as well.

No, RXT and Giant ATD are just ATD.

[skelooth]

all of the bashing and smack talking aside, what are you guys trying to say? That ATD won't work because it's not bioavailable enough? Can't this be partly corrected by eating it with a high fat meal?

All of this smack talking and bashing of guys who sell supps is really not very productive...

bump for my question. Everyone can talk smack about people selling supps, but no one wants to take a shot at anything worthwhile.

[dtrain13]

all of the bashing and smack talking aside, what are you guys trying to say? That ATD won't work because it's not bioavailable enough? Can't this be partly corrected by eating it with a high fat meal?

I'll take a shot at it. In case you missed it the point of this thread is that ALR said that ATD in and of itself will not work by itself without other compounds in support and we are simply rebutting his eronious comment.