no carbs & gain muscle is it possible?

[gom]

well today i start my 0 carb diet for one month i hope i get good results im taking :
- nitrix 4 tablets a day
- hot rox extreme 3 tablets a day
- animal pak
- appetite suppressant to control my anxiety 2 daily
- whey protein (equivalent to my weight)
- 9 capsules of omega 3 daily
- 4.5g of glutamine a day
- 1000 ml of vit c

ill try to eat as clean as i can for one month...but tell me the way please to dont lose muscle , if i consume as much protein as i can i would gain clean muscle right?

btw..ill perform 20 minutes sprint cardio 5 times per week

[UnorthodoxFtnes]

I dont see you making 0 carbs for 3 days let alone a month....

[anonymous123]

The way to not lose mucle is by lifting. And in order to lift heavy, you're gonna need a lot of carbs. Eat your carbs. You can lose fat by eating at a 40/40/20 ratio as long as you're under maintenance a bit.

[nvhladek]

could you explain your rationale behind eating no carbs? i'm skeptical that this could work out for you in the long run because a lot of carbs, like green vegetables, are packed with vitamins and help in ways that pure calorie counting and monitoring protein/carb/fat intake cannot.

but please tell us your reasons. i'm willing to have an open mind, although I believe the onus is on you to explain why you think an absolute 0 carb diet is beneficial or healthy.

[gom]

Originally Posted by nvhladek

could you explain your rationale behind eating no carbs? i'm skeptical that this could work out for you in the long run because a lot of carbs, like green vegetables, are packed with vitamins and help in ways that pure calorie counting and monitoring protein/carb/fat intake cannot.

but please tell us your reasons. i'm willing to have an open mind, although I believe the onus is on you to explain why you think an absolute 0 carb diet is beneficial or healthy.

well...my diet has some carbs like veggies is not totally 0 carbs but will be a really low carb diet ill have my veggies in 3 meals

[dabbmw2002]

Originally Posted by gom

well today i start my 0 carb diet for one month i hope i get good results im taking :
- nitrix 4 tablets a day
- hot rox extreme 3 tablets a day
- animal pak
- appetite suppressant to control my anxiety 2 daily
- whey protein (equivalent to my weight)
- 9 capsules of omega 3 daily
- 4.5g of glutamine a day
- 1000 ml of vit c

ill try to eat as clean as i can for one month...but tell me the way please to dont lose muscle , if i consume as much protein as i can i would gain clean muscle right?

btw..ill perform 20 minutes sprint cardio 5 times per week

How much fat are you going to eat? Are you doing KETO or low fat AND low carb? What gave you the idea? Not sure it is the best approach.

[Starky1177]

Keto is Low carb....You should try to get under 30g a day (less than 20g a day for the 1st 2 weeks). Have your carbs in your PWO Shake, and 3-5g every meal, (assuming ~6 meals), And dont count fiber.

[gom]

well...my goal now is to get 5-8 bf% ill work hard this month , ill be taking lots of whey protein shakes

[aiming45]

I think that No Carb + No Fat = fat gain? Anyone else have an opinion on this? When I was heavy and willing to try anything I did this for a week or so and the result was weight gain.

If you're doing low carb have lots of the green leafy veggies with three of the meals, and have a good fat source at ALL the meals. Natty PB, Avocados, Almonds, Flax/Olive Oil etc. So make sure you're eating good fats at each meal, not just your Omega3 pills.

Absolutely ZERO carb is not necessary. I successfully lost a quick 35 pounds doing the Atkins Induction Phase plan for 3-4 months. Followed it to a tee and stayed under the 20g per day. What BF% are you at now? Just curious but what's got you trying this?

[EazyE15]

Carbs carry the neccessary nutrients to your muscles after a workout to repair them, without them you WILL lose muscle.

[Hermanator]

Here's a question from a newbie... if you are limiting your carbs and taking supplements, does that 30g include them. If one were taking NO-Xplode, Cell Mass and Protein shakes, that 30 g goal would be quickly eclipsed. Or does that 30g mark pertain only to complex carbs like breads and cereals?

[muscleserge]

No carb diets fail. Your body needs carb to completely break down fat. Also getting your protein just from protein shakes isn't good for your health.

You should eat complex carbs in the morning and early afternoon, then reduce your carb intake after 3:00PM to very low levels, like 10g.

Do some good interval cardio and some weight lifting. The more muscle you have the more calories you burn, even while resting.

[aiming45]

Originally Posted by Hermanator

Here's a question from a newbie... if you are limiting your carbs and taking supplements, does that 30g include them. If one were taking NO-Xplode, Cell Mass and Protein shakes, that 30 g goal would be quickly eclipsed. Or does that 30g mark pertain only to complex carbs like breads and cereals?

That's the problem with the extremely low carb diets like this. Every gram counts no matter the source, including veggies which is crazy to me.

They do have their place in my opinion, for morbidly obese individuals, but for most others just trying to cut up, there are much easier methods.

[-Aaron-]

Originally Posted by muscleserge

No carb diets fail. Your body needs carb to completely break down fat. Also getting your protein just from protein shakes isn't good for your health.

You should eat complex carbs in the morning and early afternoon, then reduce your carb intake after 3:00PM to very low levels, like 10g.

Do some good interval cardio and some weight lifting. The more muscle you have the more calories you burn, even while resting.

Tell that to the millions of low-carbers that ultimately succeed. Check the keto forum please.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with Easy. To bodybuild, you do in fact need carbs.

[anonymous123]

Originally Posted by -Aaron-

Unfortunately, I have to agree with Easy.

omg WHAT'S THIS WORLD COMING TO?!?!

[-Aaron-]

Originally Posted by anonymous123

omg WHAT'S THIS WORLD COMING TO?!?!

Once and a while EasyE will get it right... He did now.

[ElMariachi]

Originally Posted by EazyE15

Carbs carry the neccessary nutrients to your muscles after a workout to repair them, without them you WILL lose muscle.

Meh.

Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2007 Jul 3
Co-ingestion of carbohydrate with protein does not further augment post-exercise muscle protein synthesis.

The present study was designed to assess the impact of co-ingestion of various amounts of carbohydrate combined to an ample amount of protein intake on post-exercise muscle protein synthesis rates. Ten healthy, fit men (20+/-0.3 y) were randomly assigned to 3 cross-over experiments. After 60 min of resistance exercise, subjects consumed 0.3 g.kg(-1).h(-1) protein hydrolysate with 0, 0.15, or 0.6 g.kg(-1).h(-1) carbohydrate during a 6 h recovery period (PRO, PRO+LCHO, and PRO+HCHO, respectively). Primed, continuous infusions with L-[ring-(13)C6]phenylalanine, L-[ring-(2)H2]tyrosine, and [6,6-(2)H2]glucose were applied, and blood and muscle samples were collected to assess whole-body protein turnover and glucose kinetics as well as protein fractional synthesis rate (FSR) in the vastus lateralis muscle over 6 h of post-exercise recovery. Plasma insulin responses were significantly greater in PRO+HCHO compared to PRO+LCHO and PRO (18.4+/-2.9 vs. 3.7+/-0.5 and 1.5+/-0.2 U.6h.L(-1), respectively: P<0.001). Plasma glucose rate of appearance (Ra) and disappearance (Rd) increased over time in PRO+HCHO and PRO+LCHO but not in PRO. Plasma glucose Ra and Rd were substantially greater in PRO+HCHO vs both PRO and PRO+LCHO (P<0.01). Whole-body protein breakdown, synthesis and oxidation rates, as well as whole-body protein balance did not differ between experiments. Mixed muscle FSR did not differ between treatments and averaged 0.10+/-0.01, 0.10+/-0.01 and 0.11+/-0.01 %.h(-1) in the PRO, PRO+LCHO and PRO+HCHO experiments, respectively. In conclusion, co-ingestion of carbohydrate during recovery does not further stimulate post-exercise muscle protein synthesis when ample protein is ingested. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum

[Scott~]

This will last all of a few hours.

[-Aaron-]

Originally Posted by ElMariachi

Meh.

One study doesn't make it complete truth. As a matter of fact, there are studies saying carbohydrates are very important when it comes to recovery and muscle growth.

The G.I. index on the other hand is another story.

[ElMariachi]

Originally Posted by -Aaron-

One study doesn't make it complete truth. As a matter of fact, there are studies saying carbohydrates are very important when it comes to recovery and muscle growth.

The G.I. index on the other hand is another story.

I'm disagreeing with his assertion that without carbs.....you will LOSE MUSCLE......which is baseless nonsense. Carbs maybe beneficial towards gaining muscle, but not taking them postworkout will not mean automatic muscle loss. Tell that to someone like Poliquin and watch him laugh at you.

[-Aaron-]

Originally Posted by ElMariachi

I'm disagreeing with his assertion that without carbs.....you will LOSE MUSCLE......which is baseless nonsense. Carbs maybe beneficial towards gaining muscle, but not taking them postworkout will not mean automatic muscle loss. Tell that to someone like Poliquin and watch him laugh at you.

Without carbs you will lose muscle? Who said that, oh wait, nevermind. Good ol' EasyE at it again.

You won't lose muscle with a low intake of carbs, that's just poppycock!

[ElMariachi]

Originally Posted by -Aaron-

Without carbs you will lose muscle? Who said that, oh wait, nevermind. Good ol' EasyE at it again.

You won't lose muscle with a low intake of carbs, that's just poppycock!

I know, I've done very low carbs diets in the past, and am doing one now, and I have not experienced any sort of major muscle loss. I increase my PWO protein and I will occassionally supplement with glycine, which is an underrated but wonderfully useful amino.

Glucose Metabolism

The surge of blood sugar that happens following a meal ? especially one high in carbohydrates and/or in glycemic index ? is a metabolic roller coaster, leading to sugar ?highs? and crashes, carb cravings, metabolic dysregulation, and ultimately insulin resistance and ill-health. Finding new ways to control this post-meal jump in blood sugar is an important part of maintaining our health.

A recent study suggests that Glycine may be the next tool at our disposal to keep blood sugar on an even keel. In this study, healthy men and women were tested on four separate occasions, in which they were given 25 grams of glucose alone; glucose with 5 grams of glycine; glycine alone; or plain water. The plain glucose, unsurprisingly, rushed into the volunteers? bloodstreams, leading to a huge blood sugar ?spike;? but glycine supplementation reduced the total increase in blood glucose by a remarkable 50%. Importantly, this channeling of the glucose surge was not accompanied by any increase in insulin levels, nor did it push fasting glucose levels down into hypoglycemia: the mechanism remains unknown, and the effect was so distinct from other glucose-lowering agents that the researchers who reported the result even speculate that the result may lead to the discovery of a new gut hormone regulating glucose metabolism.

[derickonfire]

You can gain muscle with 0 carbs, sure...

but you're body is gonna hate you, and I bet you're going to get very suicidal and feel like utter ****.

Carbs are good, eat up - if even just low carbs around your workout / morning / simple carbs pwo...

[Quelly]

carbs draw water into the muscle cell, a hydrated muscle cell has an easier time growing, depleted glycogen stores makes it hard for muscles to keep size...although not impossible

I wouldnt do this any longer than a month, I would consider a BIG carb refeed half way through, or moderate ones weekly....and I wouldnt suggest HIIT in a low carb diet, HIIT is great, but it uses carbs for fuel, and you dont want to be providing those carbs by breaking down protein...do low intesnity cardio I'd say HR 120-140 TOPS

[Tommy W.]

if you dont give your body carbs and some fat it'll use protien for energy. May as well give it some carbs in the first place.
carbs= energy= good training sessions
no carbs = no energy= bad training sessions
don't do dumb things to your body. It WILL get back at you!

tw

[justdragit]

looks like this is pretty much covered by Aaron.. there are some very lost or confused people in here.

[-Aaron-]

Originally Posted by justdragit

looks like this is pretty much covered by Aaron.. there are some very lost or confused people in here.

Arms are coming along nicely Drag! (no G&N) <--- That still in?

[romanianburrito]

Originally Posted by Tommy W.

if you dont give your body carbs and some fat it'll use protien for energy. May as well give it some carbs in the first place.
carbs= energy= good training sessions
no carbs = no energy= bad training sessions
don't do dumb things to your body. It WILL get back at you!

tw

he's right your body will start to use protein for energy. the process of using protein for energy takes a toll on your kidneys and other organs.. i say just eat some carbs. at least eat oatmeal or some other complex carbs so your body doesnt begin to feel completely drained. and dont only limit yourself to 50g of carbs.. thats pretty far fetched

[surefooted]

Originally Posted by EazyE15

Carbs carry the neccessary nutrients to your muscles after a workout to repair them, without them you WILL lose muscle.

I have been in the Palumbo diet (a Keto-type) of diet and have lost tons of fat and gained muscle. Explain that.

[Nutshell20]

Have fun not crapping...