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  • A Caucasian (whether European, West Asian, or North African)

    12 29.27%
  • A Caucasian EUROPEAN (no Middle Easterners)

    14 34.15%
  • Anyone who has light skin, regardless of where they're from

    6 14.63%
  • I have no idea

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    Define the term: "white people"

    What do you think classifies someone as a white person? Is it anyone of European heritage (provided they're not descended from non-European immigrants), or is it *any* Caucasian person?

    For example, look at Sicilians. Some of these people are naturally brown for f-ck's sake. What makes them white? Facial features? Big f-cking deal. I've seen Middle Eastern people who look IRISH and they're not considered white by anyone (alot of Syrians look Nordic or very white).

    So is white based on national origin, facial features, a combination, or something else?
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    I think what most people would call "white" would exclude Middle Easterners... but really, whites are the biggest mutts of all, and I have no idea how we can really place a cut-off point in race. I look white, yet I can legally be documented as native (Cherokee.) It all gets even more meaningless the longer you think about it.

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    Originally Posted by sheduma View Post
    I think what most people would call "white" would exclude Middle Easterners...
    Why? Considering that alot of folks consider Mediterranean Europeans (especially Italians) as white, it makes no sense to exclude lighter skinned, lighter haired Middle Easterners.

    but really, whites are the biggest mutts of all,
    How so?

    and I have no idea how we can really place a cut-off point in race. I look white, yet I can legally be documented as native (Cherokee.) It all gets even more meaningless the longer you think about it.
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    Originally Posted by Big Hype View Post
    or is it *any* Caucasian person?
    In Europe the term Caucasian generally refers to someone from Caucasia. I've never really understood why Americans use it as a pseudnym for all white people.
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    Originally Posted by sonicology View Post
    In Europe the term Caucasian generally refers to someone from Caucasia. I've never really understood why Americans use it as a pseudnym for all white people.
    Possibly because Europeans look alot like people from Caucasia. They're Caucasiod (Caucasian-like).
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    I don't really have anything productive to add to the thread but man did I get shafted on the whole ethnic identity thing. I am very Jewish (mostly Ashkenazi with some Mizrahi) with only a bit of non-Semitic lineage. Even so, I am a basic, run of the mill cracker. I have brown/dark brown hair with blue eyes (one is actually not blue because my eye is lazy) and my skin is pale and I don't have Jewhair. It sucks.

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    BTW intellectually deciding these things aside, I confess that my innate predisposition is to think of Europeans as whites. Regardless of its truth of nontruth, I find myself gravitating that way without thinking.
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    Originally Posted by Big Hype View Post
    Why? Considering that alot of folks consider Mediterranean Europeans (especially Italians) as white, it makes no sense to exclude lighter skinned, lighter haired Middle Easterners.
    No, not really, I'm just guessing at what most people think of as being "white."

    How so?
    It seems that you see a lot of people of minority races marrying and having kids with others of that same minority, yet most "white" people have all sorts of **** in them. It seems like most people with fair as hell skin (myself included) can trace back to some native or other non-"white" ancestor. Obviously this means that the ancestor of another race didn't fit my above-mentioned norm, but it seems more common than non-whites having similar ancestors. No idea why.

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    Originally Posted by Organichu View Post
    I don't really have anything productive to add to the thread but man did I get shafted on the whole ethnic identity thing. I am very Jewish (mostly Ashkenazi with some Mizrahi) with only a bit of non-Semitic lineage. Even so, I am a basic, run of the mill cracker. I have brown/dark brown hair with blue eyes (one is actually not blue because my eye is lazy) and my skin is pale and I don't have Jewhair. It sucks.

    (then again, not having a Jewfro is kind of a good thing)

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    BTW intellectually deciding these things aside, I confess that my innate predisposition is to think of Europeans as whites. Regardless of its truth of nontruth, I find myself gravitating that way without thinking.
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    I'm trying so hard to picture a good looking Jewfro. I want to believe it. I am not proud of my shell of distaste... please prove me wrong.
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    White = white skin, hence WHITE.... Unless you are referring to Aryan? or anglo saxon, which is more specific.
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    Originally Posted by JokerJ View Post
    White = white skin, hence WHITE.... Unless you are referring to Aryan? or anglo saxon, which is more specific.
    Asians are pretty light skinned. Are they white?
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    Originally Posted by Organichu View Post
    I'm trying so hard to picture a good looking Jewfro. I want to believe it. I am not proud of my shell of distaste... please prove me wrong.
    If you can teach me how to download pics from my Yahoo mail so that they can go into the My Pictures folder in Microsoft Windows XP, then I'll show you my pimp ass Jewfro.
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    Originally Posted by Jay Rawd View Post
    Asians are pretty light skinned. Are they white?
    And would the fake-n-baked orange girls I went to school with now be a new race?

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    Originally Posted by Jay Rawd View Post
    Asians are pretty light skinned. Are they white?
    ROFL.... the ones that havent been outside in 20yrs maybe
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    Open the message > right click the embedded picture/attachment > click "save to/"save link as" > choose 'My Pictures' as destination.

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    Originally Posted by sheduma View Post
    And would the fake-n-baked orange girls I went to school with now be a new race?
    is that an attempt at humour? wow....
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    Originally Posted by Organichu View Post
    Open the message > right click the embedded picture/attachment > click "save to/"save link as" > choose 'My Pictures' as destination.

    Then upload them to any webhost.

    Alternatively, you could just email them to me and I'll host them; Organichu@gmail.com
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    Yeah, um, everytime I try to save that **** it always comes up as "No Preview" on My Pictures folder. What gives?
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    Originally Posted by JokerJ View Post
    is that an attempt at humour? wow....
    The claim was that "white" is based on skin tone, to which Jay Rawd asked about fair-skinned Asians. Dark-skinned "whites" would just be a similar example, but on the other side of the coin.

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    Originally Posted by Jay Rawd View Post
    Yeah, um, everytime I try to save that **** it always comes up as "No Preview" on My Pictures folder. What gives?
    Huh. I dunno. Why don't you email it to your computer then email it to me, no #s involved?




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    dunno, don't really care. i only use "white" and "black" when i get tired of typing "lighter skinned/darker skinned," "african," caucasion," and **** like that. "white" and "black" are such vague, unscientific terms. we're all from africa, originally, so when exactly do you cut off your heritage as an "african american" or "african australian," or what have you? there's really no point to all of it, IMO.

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    Originally Posted by AKR View Post
    "african australian,"
    This reminds me of something I've wondered... What is the PC term for what we call African Americans in places other than America (and Africa, of course.)

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    Originally Posted by sheduma View Post
    The claim was that "white" is based on skin tone, to which Jay Rawd asked about fair-skinned Asians. Dark-skinned "whites" would just be a similar example, but on the other side of the coin.
    I see where you are coming from, I guess distinctions in body composition especially in the face would be large determining factor. Thats why I said the term white = white skin pretty much, I guess caucasion would be the most accurate discription of a white person?
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    This reminds me of something I've wondered... What is the PC term for what we call African Americans in places other than America (and Africa, of course.)
    Negroid, no?

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    Negroid, no?
    that sounds so...futuristic. like they're half robot or something. "we introduce to you the latest superhero: half negro, half android."

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    Originally Posted by Big Hype View Post
    What do you think classifies someone as a white person? Is it anyone of European heritage (provided they're not descended from non-European immigrants), or is it *any* Caucasian person?

    For example, look at Sicilians. Some of these people are naturally brown for f-ck's sake. What makes them white? Facial features? Big f-cking deal. I've seen Middle Eastern people who look IRISH and they're not considered white by anyone (alot of Syrians look Nordic or very white).

    So is white based on national origin, facial features, a combination, or something else?
    If you're really "white" you can trace your ancestry back to England! LMAO If you're German, Italian, French or whatever...... well then white becomes suspect! Don't even mention Spain. Rasca un espanol y sangra un judio! All I can say is if you can't talk politics over coffee in Coyoacan then you've never really lived! Hipodromo Condesa rocks!
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