pre workout supplements?

[runningback666]

wuts the best NON-CREATINE pre workout supplement out there in your opinion, form energy and focus?

[chlaxman]

Probably a mixture of:
arginine
ornithine
citrulline malate
tyrosine
ALCAR

[Downn]

Check out No Explode and/or Ready4War!!

[gaberox]

Tyrosine is my all time personal favorite combined with caffine.
Ive also had success with a cocktail of
2grams tyrosine
2grams carnitine
5grams arginine
400mg caffine
400mg asprin
That stack gets me revved up to hit the gym with fury.
ready4war looks pretty good on paper Id like to try it.xplode to me is overpriced crap.

[chlaxman]

Tyrosine is my all time personal favorite combined with caffine.
Ive also had success with a cocktail of
2grams tyrosine
2grams carnitine
5grams arginine
400mg caffine
400mg asprin
That stack gets me revved up to hit the gym with fury.
ready4war looks pretty good on paper Id like to try it.xplode to me is overpriced crap.

I'd change that to ALCAR instead of l-car (better IMO), throw in some ornithine, drop the aspirin (personal thing) and caffeine, but that is all matter of preference.

I agree with NO-Xplode being overpriced.

[gaberox]

I'd change that to ALCAR instead of l-car (better IMO), throw in some ornithine, drop the aspirin (personal thing) and caffeine, but that is all matter of preference.

I agree with NO-Xplode being overpriced.

what is alcar?

[brassmonkey]

being caffeine sensitive- just 2 scoops of GO! (2/3 of a serving) and 4 scoops Xtend are working great for me. you may need time for the citrulline malate to fully kick in though for endurance and recovery.

[chlaxman]

what is alcar?

Acetyl-l-Carnitine. It's a nootropic and great overall supplement, especially for concentration, overal feeling of well-being, and older people.

[gaberox]

I actually tried the alcar over the regular l-carnitine before didnt notice much difference maybe I didnt stick with it long enough.I might give it another try although it is more expensive.But anyways thanx.

[pu12en12g]

Probably a mixture of:
arginine
ornithine
citrulline malate
tyrosine
ALCAR

^^^ SOLID !

I might add carnosine, taurine, and glycerine

[chlaxman]

^^^ SOLID !

I might add carnosine, taurine, and glycerine

Glycerine is next on my list to try. I haven't tried it yet.

[runningback666]

X-plode has creatine in it doesnt it?

[gaberox]

X-plode has creatine in it doesnt it?

About 2grams per 2 scoops.

[G.T.H.FAITH]

Tyrosine is my all time personal favorite combined with caffine.
Ive also had success with a cocktail of
2grams tyrosine
2grams carnitine
5grams arginine
400mg caffine
400mg asprin
That stack gets me revved up to hit the gym with fury.
ready4war looks pretty good on paper Id like to try it.xplode to me is overpriced crap.

Why the asprin. what does it do for you in combination with the other sups.

[sculli]

Power Jolt is good stuff.

Serving Size: 4 Capsules
Servings Per Container: 30

Amount Per Serving:

L-Tyrosine 1900mg
Acetyl L-Carnitine 700mg
Rhodiola Rosea 200mg
Caffeine Anhydrous 160mg
Vinpocetine 20mg

[Spud]

Why the asprin. what does it do for you in combination with the other sups.

Asprin thins the blood, better circulation.

[nvrpunt]

Oats.

[britishtank20]

gm

[gaberox]

Asprin thins the blood, better circulation.

This is correct and it also tends to loosen me up a little.Its also been shown to aid in fat loss thus the eca stack.If I knew where to get it Id go with an eca over just caffine and asprin.I also left taurine off the list I usually get about 2 grams taurine as well pwo.

[Moreps]

10 gr bcaa's
2 gr acetyl-l-tyrosine
200mg caffeine
5gr glutamine
1 scoop Beverly's Creatine Select + Phosphates
1500mg vit C

[force_]

Besides my pre-workout whey/oatmeal shake, straight ECA baby..simple,cheap and oh so effective.

F.

[albusmc]

Ready 4 War is a great supplement for what your looking for. Give you good energy....you just dont wanna leave the gym. It also gives you amazing mind, muscle connection.

[Lonny]

.Its also been shown to aid in fat loss thus the eca stack.

YOu should do a bit of reading. This aspirin being necessary for EC effectiveness was debunked long ago. Most still use it out of habit as ECA is still ingrained in their minds, as opposed to EC Tyrosine, or EC Synephrine which both would blow aspirin away.

[pu12en12g]

Oats.

^^^^ Werd !

[gaberox]

YOu should do a bit of reading. This aspirin being necessary for EC effectiveness was debunked long ago. Most still use it out of habit as ECA is still ingrained in their minds, as opposed to EC Tyrosine, or EC Synephrine which both would blow aspirin away.

If you would have read my first post you would have seen that tyrosine+caffine is my #1 pwo supp.As for the asprin thing like I said it also loosens me up somtimes I take low doses of ibuprofin instead of asprin I know nsaids have been shown to limit muscle growth but thats in high doses.Its not somthing I take on a regular basis just somtimes pwo if Im feeling really stiff.Works well for me.In addition to a regular lifting program Im also a full time bboy which will wreck havoc on your joints.Especially shoulders.Im currently taking chondroiton,msm,and glucosamine but somtimes the asprin or ibuprofin help also.But anyway thanx for the info on the eca stack I wasnt aware of it.