Test 400 & Anadrol (first cycle)

FIVExFIVE · 09-17-2007, 09:31 AM

Ok, pinned for the first time this morning. Starting stats are 6'0'' 190, ~14% bf. Cycle's going to look like this (length is subject to change):

week 1-4 (25 days, actually): 100mg anadrol -- 50mg in the morning, 50mg later in the day
week 1-12: 400mg test enanthate -- 200mg Monday morning, 200mg Thursday afternoon
PCT: nolvadex 40/40/20/20 (or possibly 20mg for 6 weeks instead), clomid 50/50/50/50

I may run the test longer or shorter than 10 weeks. I was originally planning on a 10 week cycle, but I've got twice as much test as I was expecting, so we'll see. Depends on when the gains stop. Training (for now) is:

Mon: back
Tues: chest/light tris
Wed: rest (probably a little cardio)
Thurs: legs
Fri: bis/tris
Sat: shoulders
Sun: cardio

Not too sure what I expect out of this cycle. It's not too difficult for me to gain weight, and 4-5 months in the kitchen instead of the bars does wonders for me naturally, so who knows. Diet is no problem, as I'm hungry all the time even if I'm taking in 5000cals a day. I'll post progress pics every 4 weeks or so.

PG · 09-17-2007, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FIVExFIVE

Ok, pinned for the first time this morning. Starting stats are 6'0'' 190, ~14% bf. Cycle's going to look like this (length is subject to change):

week 1-4 (25 days, actually): 100mg anadrol -- 50mg in the morning, 50mg later in the day
week 1-12: 400mg test enanthate -- 200mg Monday morning, 200mg Thursday afternoon
PCT: nolvadex 40/40/20/20 (or possibly 20mg for 6 weeks instead), clomid 50/50/50/50

I may run the test longer or shorter than 10 weeks. I was originally planning on a 10 week cycle, but I've got twice as much test as I was expecting, so we'll see. Depends on when the gains stop. Training (for now) is:

Mon: back
Tues: chest/light tris
Wed: rest (probably a little cardio)
Thurs: legs
Fri: bis/tris
Sat: shoulders
Sun: cardio

Not too sure what I expect out of this cycle. It's not too difficult for me to gain weight, and 4-5 months in the kitchen instead of the bars does wonders for me naturally, so who knows. Diet is no problem, as I'm hungry all the time even if I'm taking in 5000cals a day. I'll post progress pics every 4 weeks or so.

make sure you space out the Anadrol for 7-8 hours. So after you take your first dose take the second one 7-8 hours later.

Also Nolvadex should be run 40/20/20/20/20 Clomid i would say 100/50/50/25. Clomid is really good at kickstarting the recovery, but can cause sides when run high, thats why i said 100mg a day for 1 week only

lanceippolito_delete011408 · 09-17-2007, 10:37 AM

listen to PG he is MR. ANADROL

FIVExFIVE · 09-17-2007, 10:51 AM

Thanks, PG.. wasn't 100% on how much time between the drol. Nolva at 20 will probably be a pain in the ass... I've got capsules dosed at 40mg. Hopefully it's easy to cut them in half. If not, I'll probably just order some with a smaller dosage. As for the clomid.. I only bought it to see if a research chem site was legit, so I've just got 30mL dosed at 50mg/mL. I was going to take it at 50 for 4 weeks so I don't turn into a menopausal woman, but I can probably manage 100 for the first week. I'd have to cut it after 3 weeks, though.

PG · 09-17-2007, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FIVExFIVE

Thanks, PG.. wasn't 100% on how much time between the drol. Nolva at 20 will probably be a pain in the ass... I've got capsules dosed at 40mg. Hopefully it's easy to cut them in half. If not, I'll probably just order some with a smaller dosage. As for the clomid.. I only bought it to see if a research chem site was legit, so I've just got 30mL dosed at 50mg/mL. I was going to take it at 50 for 4 weeks so I don't turn into a menopausal woman, but I can probably manage 100 for the first week. I'd have to cut it after 3 weeks, though.

yea Oxymetholone (anadrols) half life in the body is about 8.5 hours. So if you want to keep it at a really consistent level take it every 7 hours like i said. Or even 6.5

FRANKtheTANK_21 · 09-17-2007, 03:57 PM

Subscribed.....Hoss 100mg anadrol and 400mg test for 1st cycle is going to blow you up. Keep and eye on your BP with the anadrol. I love the stuff but get headaches and frequent nosebleeds. Just be careful and keep us posted.

PG · 09-17-2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FRANKtheTANK_21

Subscribed.....Hoss 100mg anadrol and 400mg test for 1st cycle is going to blow you up. Keep and eye on your BP with the anadrol. I love the stuff but get headaches and frequent nosebleeds. Just be careful and keep us posted.

that sucks!!! i didn't even get that when i ran it at 200mg a day

FRANKtheTANK_21 · 09-17-2007, 04:03 PM

HOLY HELL PG! 200mg and i my head would f*cking explode. How did the contest go? Sorry to hijack.

PG · 09-17-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FRANKtheTANK_21

HOLY HELL PG! 200mg and i my head would f*cking explode. How did the contest go? Sorry to hijack.

PM me about that stuff, lol

To get thing back on topic. I hope your cycle goes well bro. Should put on some size. Eat right! You will experience mild-severe aggression on Drol. So try to channel it toward the lifting and not people in everyday life.

FIVExFIVE · 09-17-2007, 05:56 PM

Thanks guys. Wound up taking my 2nd dose of drol just under 8 hours after the first.. prof just wouldn't shut up. Anyhow, I'll keep an eye on my BP for sure.. hoping that won't be an issue. I'm not too keen on sitting through lectures with a migraine; my attention span is terrible at the best of times.

As for the aggression... that was a serious concern when I first decided to run a cycle. I've been dealing with a VERY short temper since I was a little kid, but I can keep it in check for the most part as long as I'm sober. I tend to hit inanimate objects these days instead of people, so that's a plus. Hell, if I hadn't broken my hands so many times punching random ****, I'd probably be well into the 200's by now lol

Maybe I'll toke a little before I go out for the next few months, just to be safe.

Anyways, just got back from the gym, and had a GREAT placebo workout. I moved deadlifts to the end of my back workouts a few weeks ago, and today I was able to pull pretty damn close to what I'd do fresh. Not sure if it was being pumped about my first workout on-cycle or the Deftones playing, but something made it a good day

Never been so thirsty in my life. I weighed in at 191 when I got to the gym, and left at 196.5... it seems to me that that's quite a bit of water! I guess I was more dehydrated from the weekend than I thought.

PG · 09-17-2007, 06:04 PM

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Thanks guys. Wound up taking my 2nd dose of drol just under 8 hours after the first.. prof just wouldn't shut up. Anyhow, I'll keep an eye on my BP for sure.. hoping that won't be an issue. I'm not too keen on sitting through lectures with a migraine; my attention span is terrible at the best of times.

As for the aggression... that was a serious concern when I first decided to run a cycle. I've been dealing with a VERY short temper since I was a little kid, but I can keep it in check for the most part as long as I'm sober. I tend to hit inanimate objects these days instead of people, so that's a plus. Hell, if I hadn't broken my hands so many times punching random ****, I'd probably be well into the 200's by now lol

Maybe I'll toke a little before I go out for the next few months, just to be safe.

Anyways, just got back from the gym, and had a GREAT placebo workout. I moved deadlifts to the end of my back workouts a few weeks ago, and today I was able to pull pretty damn close to what I'd do fresh. Not sure if it was being pumped about my first workout on-cycle or the Deftones playing, but something made it a good day

Never been so thirsty in my life. I weighed in at 191 when I got to the gym, and left at 196.5... it seems to me that that's quite a bit of water! I guess I was more dehydrated from the weekend than I thought.

Stay away from alcohol bro. And your BP will raise no matter what. Watch your sodium intake. 2500mg at most 3000mg a day.

My BP got up to 173/86 so watch out, and that was before i upped it to 200mg

FIVExFIVE · 09-17-2007, 06:16 PM

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Stay away from alcohol bro. And your BP will raise no matter what. Watch your sodium intake. 2500mg at most 3000mg a day.

My BP got up to 173/86 so watch out, and that was before i upped it to 200mg

No worries there, I have absolutely no intentions of drinking. I'm much more interested in eating and sleeping right now, to be honest. Besides.. I spent what would have been my drinking budget on the gear

But yeah, I know my BP is going to go up, just hoping it won't go up high enough to cause me problems. I'm definitely going to try to keep my sodium intake down. If I'm getting too much and I'm just on creatine, I'll bloat up like a dead dog lying in the sun on a hot day. Don't want to know what'll happen on-cycle, plus the BP issues...

FIVExFIVE · 09-18-2007, 06:03 PM

Chest workout today... good workout, nothing too spectacular. Unbelievably thirsty again; already well over a gallon, and can't seem to get enough water. No pain at all in my quad today (first injection site). It might have been a little tight this morning, but I couldn't tell since my hamstrings were pretty sore. Tomorrow's my day off, but not really; I'll be stuck in seminars all day.

I bought a scale today so that I can keep track of my weight every morning.. I weighed in at 197 when I got to the gym today, and there's just no way.

FIVExFIVE · 09-20-2007, 03:36 PM

Injected for the second time when I woke up today, went without a hitch. I don't see why people whine so much about test 400 and quad injections...

Morning weight was up to 191.6 from 189.8, and I felt VERY dehydrated when I got up. Had a good leg workout today, but my definition of a "good" leg day is one where my knees allow me to push through the whole thing. Can't really say if I was any stronger, as I have to keep it to high reps. Tomorrow I do arms, and Saturday shoulders, so it'll be easier to gauge after that.

FIVExFIVE · 09-24-2007, 02:26 PM

OK, quick update. I'm up 5lb (morning weight) from last Wednesday (first morning I weighed in). 194.6 yesterday, 194.8 today. Not bad for 5 days, I'd say. All water, of course.

Workouts are definitely feeling different now... during my arm workout on Friday, I thought my biceps were going to explode. Using the same weights as the previous week -- a few more reps per set, iirc -- but the pump was ridiculous. Shoulders on Saturday was more of the same, but I was able to go a little heavier than the week before.

Now, today's back workout... kind of disappointing. Started out great; I was really strong on my lat movements, really surprised me. That's the good news. Bad news is that by the time I was done with pullups/pulldowns, I could feel my grip getting ready to give out. Managed to push through bent and seated rows no problem, but deadlifts were torture. My grip was giving out after 8 reps at my warmup weight... using straps! Very disappointing, as deads are my favourite movement. If my grip dies on me again next week, I'm going to have to move deads back to the start of my workout.

Hopefully chest day goes better.

Oh yeah.. planning on using Sundays to blast my calves. ****ers just won't grow.

suprnova7 · 09-25-2007, 07:20 PM

good log! Sorta the same that im doing! Does the anadrol make you feel like "lighter" after you take it? Its a wierd feeling to me, i don't feel completely normal we'll just say that. I get pretty pumped.

FIVExFIVE · 09-25-2007, 10:09 PM

No, can't say that I feel any different at all throughout the day. Workouts are feeling a bit different, but that's it. It's also been taking me FOREVER to get off during sex, but I'm not ready to attribute that to gear yet.

PG · 09-26-2007, 05:34 AM

The bicep and shoulder pump are going to be painful. Bicep more so then shoulders. Some time i couldn't even do as much weight as i normally do because the pump was so bad. I like it though lol cause my arms grew huge.

as long as its not taking FOEVER to get it up, then who cares. lol What girl is going to turn down longer sex

Just watch how much work you do, don't wanna burn off to many calories hahahaha. Make her work

Just noticed you are about 2 weeks into the cycle. lol Anadrol is going to kick your ass now. Especially with the pump, watch out of the back pump on leg days as well.

FIVExFIVE · 09-26-2007, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PhillipsGabe

The bicep and shoulder pump are going to be painful. Bicep more so then shoulders. Some time i couldn't even do as much weight as i normally do because the pump was so bad. I like it though lol cause my arms grew huge.

as long as its not taking FOEVER to get it up, then who cares. lol What girl is going to turn down longer sex

Just watch how much work you do, don't wanna burn off to many calories hahahaha. Make her work

Just noticed you are about 2 weeks into the cycle. lol Anadrol is going to kick your ass now. Especially with the pump, watch out of the back pump on leg days as well.

haha, she actually is complaining

I'm in much better shape than her, so I'm wearing her out lol.. I think I might have her overtraining

I'm in no condition to do the work after a back or leg workout.

And yeah, I imagine the back pump is going to be interesting during legs tomorrow. My calves were on fire after a quick walk across campus this morning... that may get irritating. Back had a serious pump going last night from cleaning all my dishes from the day...

BIEN_DIESEL · 09-26-2007, 12:02 PM

sounds good, im going to tru anadrol instead of d bols in 6 more weeks

FIVExFIVE · 10-01-2007, 10:49 AM

Been a while since I updated...

I can't remember my chest workout last week, so I'll just skip that. My knees weren't having ANY of it after my warmup sets on leg day, so I had to skip it and hit my arms instead. My strength was up quite a bit, even after the pump started raping my biceps. Shoulders on Friday I was a fair bit stronger as well until it was getting painful just to raise my arms. Couple good workouts.

Saturday was absolutely awful. I got food poisoning or something in the morning, and couldn't hold any food down. Even water was making me yak.. not fun. I only managed to get 50mg of anadrol in me that day.. I didn't see the point in wasting a pill since I'd just hurl it up. Basically went about 28 hours with no food, and minimal water. Had a light headache since.

Despite all that, I still gained some weight. Up to 198.8 this morning. Today I'm going to do deadlifts earlier in my workout, so hopefully I'll be able to hit my back better this week.

FIVExFIVE · 10-16-2007, 12:32 PM

Been really busy, kept putting off updating this...

I finished the drol on Friday, and it couldn't have come soon enough. That **** was making workouts torture. I was about 206-207 Friday, a hair under 205 this morning. Looks to me like I've shed a decent amount of water; don't look anywhere near as bloated. I've had to change my diet a bit as well.. my metabolism was getting WAY too fast, so last week I switched to 4 huge meals (plus shakes) instead of 7-8 smaller ones. I was actually going to bed hungry after eating 5500cals during the day. That ain't right.

Pinned both delts last week.. I have no idea how some of you bigger guys can do that. I could barely reach. Real hard to keep the syringe steady; no pain at all though.

topcornr · 10-17-2007, 10:06 AM

hahah yeah i can definitely understand what you mean the back pumps on anadrol are making me miserable on legs and back day. ive noticed a really tight belt is effective though...good gains so far bro...keep us posted gl

FIVExFIVE · 10-23-2007, 07:21 PM

Still holding at 205ish. Was time to change up my routine, so I'm changing to a 3 day split, working everything twice a week. Lowering volume, raising weights and moving to a 5-8 rep range. I was hoping to keep with my old split for a few more weeks since I really enjoy it, but I need to make big changes ever 8 weeks or so or my body gets too comfortable with it. Oh well. I've also started drinking a LOT of green tea since it's starting to get cold here. It seems to be making me a bit less lethargic and agitated, which is kinda nice. Easier to relax.

As for the workouts... strength is definitely up. If the strange looks didn't start when I loaded 405lb on the rack for deadlifts, they sure did when I started grunting like a mid-coitus gorilla. My throat was actually kinda sore from it after my last set... couldn't help it tho, that **** was heavy!

FIVExFIVE · 10-27-2007, 10:10 PM

Weight is just under 209 as of this morning. It seems a routine change is exactly what I needed... I've also upped my calories a bit (same from whole foods, getting 2000 cals/day from a weight gainer instead of 1000.. totally is about 6000 now). Strength still going up a bit; really impressed myself with T-bar rows the other day.

My elbows hate me right now; right elbow's been bugging me for a while, but it's manageable. I tweaked my left elbow really badly pulling the stack down for cable cross-overs yesterday... wasn't feeling too good when I hit shoulders today. I might look into picking up a joint support supplement tomorrow. Hopefully it'll be recovered in time for Tuesday's chest workout, or I'm going to have to avoid pressing movements.

Hoping to see 210 on the scale after my morning dump in the next few days

That'll be 10lb shy of my target for this cycle with plenty of testosterone to go.

ShahNawaz247 · 11-02-2007, 12:28 PM

Anadrol-50 is harsh man!!

it makes u hairy and also makes voice harsh.

i wud opt for D-bol...

so do u hav any gyno problems during this cycle??

or u using a-dex or nolva??

IcyHotNate · 11-03-2007, 12:44 AM

5x5, the bad thing about those glucosamine/chondroiten/msm combos is that they take about a month to start working. start taking them asap.

FIVExFIVE · 11-19-2007, 03:56 PM

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5x5, the bad thing about those glucosamine/chondroiten/msm combos is that they take about a month to start working. start taking them asap.

yeah, been about 3 weeks now and my elbows are starting to feel pretty good. They'd probably be fine by now if not for playing hockey a couple times a week.

Not much change since my last update. Been incredibly busy, and having trouble making time to eat and get a decent sleep. My elbows forced me to take a week off as well, and I couldn't really work at full intensity until late last week. Up to 214lb this morning. Strength is going up steadily... banging out 400++ on deads pretty comfortably. I think my scale's been telling some lies... only up a few pounds the last few weeks, but I definitely look bigger.

Still no real sides, except my clothes and hockey gear don't fit anymore! My legs/ass only fit in to one pair of my jeans now, and I've got a couple thousand dollars worth of shirts that I'll never wear again. This cycle just keeps getting more and more expensive!

Had a bunch of clen get here last week, and I think I'll run a low dose (50mcg maybe) during PCT.