I was just wondering what everybody's thoughts were on Mike Mentzer. Personally, I think Mike was one of the best bodybuilders to ever walk the stage. The man presented one of the best physiques on the stage at his time. Not only was he a great bodybuilder but an innovator for the sport. While he may not be as nearly as influential as Arnold or the Weiders, Mike nonetheless inspired numerous bodybuilders with his HIT including Dorian. Its a shame he retired when he did and tragic that he passed away before his time.
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Thread: Thoughts on Mike Mentzer
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04-16-2005, 07:48 AM #1
Thoughts on Mike Mentzer
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04-16-2005, 09:39 AM #2
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04-16-2005, 09:50 AM #3
Mike Mentzer was one of the greats, but he really rejected everyone else's high volume training approach...he believed only his approach to training was correct, which was very low volume and extremely heavy weight. to him, doing 20+ sets a workout was just overtraining and putting too much stress on the body to grow causing the body to break down...with all due respect to Mike Mentzer, HE was the one who ended up passing away before the rest of the bodybuilders.
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04-16-2005, 09:54 AM #4
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04-16-2005, 01:37 PM #7
I like the Tom Platz, Casey Viator, Arthur Jones style of HIT better, they used more volume. Platz obviously used the most volume though out of anyone who incorporated those principles. Tom had the body in 81 to show what HIT and high volume can do for a person. Mike Mentzers version of HIT using one set is just plain laughable.
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04-16-2005, 01:41 PM #8Originally Posted by Big_Mike
Mike Mentzer was one of the few pros who knew his ****, he was not always right but was a knowledgeable guy, take a look at most of pro bodybuilders, they have no idea about nutrition, training, supplements, drugs,... just read some of their articles in bodybuilding mags such as flex, u can find a dozen of elementary mistakes, they are successful cuz of good genetic + good nutrition, pharmacology, training plans by their gurus ( Chad Nicholls, Charles Glass, Hany Rambod, Charles Poliquin, Author L Rea,... ).Last edited by Bill Gates; 04-16-2005 at 01:51 PM.
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04-16-2005, 01:46 PM #9
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04-16-2005, 03:42 PM #10Originally Posted by Big_Mike
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04-16-2005, 04:08 PM #11
nah nah nah now I think he was more around 74ish 75ish, reason he died was because of all the orange TAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNGG he drank. oooh noo don't do it mike, no don't! *mike morphs into a chimpanzee and then lifts* yeeeeeeeeeeeooooooooowww
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04-16-2005, 04:33 PM #12
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Originally Posted by Ryo
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04-16-2005, 04:40 PM #13
I agree that HIT is definatley a good system but to say that nothing in today's literature holds a candle to it is a flat out lie. This is what i don't like about alot of hit supporters, you guys think that all other styles of training are wrong. You guys wanna see a complete, well thought out, well researched method of training check out HST. However i do use some hit principles in my training. I also use volume principles occasionally, i think getting the best of all styles is key, just my two cents.
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04-16-2005, 04:47 PM #14
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04-16-2005, 05:49 PM #15Originally Posted by Nullifidian
Yeah thats not true, he was 49 when he died.
this is from a site on his life"In recent years, Mike learned he had serious heart problems, "
And http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mentdeath.htm
Thats a bunch of crap as far as i'm concerned.
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04-17-2005, 12:22 AM #16
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04-17-2005, 12:32 AM #17
I like Mike because he had the good sense to question the bodybuilding orthodoxy. I have his book Heavy Duty 2, and I actually agree with a lot of the points he makes. Abbreviated training routines are definitely necissary for me to get the most out of training. As mike wrote, "You can work out hard, or you can work out long, but you can't do both." His way of putting his methods into practice are what I have trouble with: 3-5 sets/workout, workout once every 4-7 days, and only 1 working set per exercise per bodypart. Undertraining to such a major degree does next to nothing for muscle size.
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04-17-2005, 02:11 AM #18
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04-17-2005, 07:45 AM #19
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i dislike mike mentzer and his training principles. no offense to anybody but i believe his whole training philosophy is outright bogus. and like others said before me, he definitely had a lot of issues in his life.
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04-17-2005, 08:36 AM #20Originally Posted by Nullifidian
I liked Mike's ideas of spending less time in the gym and the up-ing the intensity level. I agree with you guys that Tom Platz definately tweaked it and made it work for him. As did Dorian and Mark Dugdale.
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04-17-2005, 09:00 AM #21
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04-17-2005, 11:19 AM #23
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04-17-2005, 01:02 PM #24Originally Posted by Ryowww.redvsblue.com
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04-17-2005, 01:09 PM #25
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Originally Posted by nin10dude
"I think the mentzer approach too extreme and limited and although in theory sounds great doesn't work in the real world."
that's a quote from dorian yates himself on mike mentzers philosophy.TEAM NORTON
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04-17-2005, 01:32 PM #26Originally Posted by will-work4ANDRO
well said, I like your anti-mentzer approach also. I don't see myself or anybody else being a bodybuilder if they go into the gym, do 4 sets and call it a workout. the human body was created to withstand extreme conditions, look at the guys that lived in the jungle 2,000 years ago...they jumped tree branches to escape predators, had to run, jump, catch and kill their food to survive, carry loads of wood on their back all day long....and nowadays we have big men complaining that 20 sets is too much for their muscle to handle. Gimme a break, it makes me sick.
i watched cutler's new improved and beyond DVD where he did 20+ sets each bodypart, and I think his approach to lifting is best. High volume, moderately heavy weight with good form and short rest.Last edited by Pump14; 04-17-2005 at 01:56 PM.
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04-17-2005, 01:39 PM #27Originally Posted by Pump14
Main set on the bench 315 for 6 reps (failure on rep 6), two forced reps, strip off 1 plate and put on a 25 on each side (275) do that to failure followed by a couple of forced reps, strip off the 25 (now 225 on the bar) and do that to failure followed by a couple of forced reps followed by 2 or 3 negatives. If you think that is wimpy give it a try.
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04-17-2005, 02:03 PM #28Originally Posted by johnnyironboard
Instead of doing that, I would rather be in the gym a good 45 minutes, hit the muscle from ALL angles with different poundages and supersets, feel the muscle working with mind muscle connection, feeling the muscle work the weight and not vice versa. When did I say forced reps or stripping isn't good? I just don't agree with doing 3-4 sets a day.
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04-17-2005, 02:22 PM #29
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04-17-2005, 04:29 PM #30
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