Sox, you are absolutley right. Some people are eating 1.5g-2.0g of carbs per lb/bodyweight on hi-carb days. I will be adding in one day at this level every other week on the day right before heavy squats. I am not prepared to add in this many carbs more than once every 2 weeks, but that is only personal preference. Sounds like it's working wonders for you though. Kepp up the great work! ;-)Originally Posted by soxfan35
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04-24-2005, 03:35 PM #91Psalms 51:10-13
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Originally Posted by HalleluYAH
I am thinking about adding some no carb days into my diet. I understand no carb doesn't really mean none, but I don't understand the oatmeal in the above. That is a lot of carbs in one serving.
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Originally Posted by KowboysUp
I was responding to HalleluYAH in this post:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...9&postcount=93
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04-24-2005, 08:47 PM #97
Low carb day
Thanks for all of the help guys, I'm going to post a low carb day just to give people that need them ideas and to get some feedback:
1 cup oats
62 grams whey
1/2 cup chicken
2 slices whole wheat bread
3 slices roast beef
1/2 oz cheese
apple
6 oz tuna
5 oz chicken breast
1/2 cup brown rice
1 cup cottage cheese
2 tbsp peanut butter
1 cup kashi cereal
2 cups lettuce
1 serving whatever veggie fam's having for dinner
Works out to 221 P, 196 C, and 56 F or 43%, 33%, and 24%
any suggestions?Last edited by KowboysUp; 04-24-2005 at 08:49 PM.
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04-25-2005, 07:53 AM #99Originally Posted by KowboysUp
cals fat carb pro
2cps eggwh 162 0 3 34
1thinslicepork 29 2 0 2
2cpscabbage 45 00 10 3
2slturkey 37 1 1 5
4perchfillets 256 8 1 45
1cpspinach 7 0 1 1
1cpbrownrice 293 10 46 5
125grmswhey 500 00 3 125
2cpsbroccoli 87 1 16 9
4thinslicebeef 223 15 0 22
1/4cp pnuts 209 18 7 9
oats 95 1 19 3
1932 55 104 261
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04-25-2005, 08:48 AM #102
khyrz, on HI-CARB DAYS-you reset your metabolism, refill liver glycogen stores to prevent starvation mode from setting in, and refill muscle glycogen stores to provide adequate available energy to workout (lift) hard. on LOW-CARB DAYS-provide enough proteins to support muscle gains, and eat a low enough amount of carbs to support a fair level of enrgy in the gym while burning a small amount of fat throughout the day with a caloric deficit. eating enough proteins and just enough carbs also ensures minimal if any catabolism (muscle loss). on NO-CARB DAYS-eat enough proteins for the same reasons as on LOW CARB days, and eat so small an amount of carbs that your body truns to fat stores for energy. by implementing the principles of insulin sensitivity your body will not need as much insulin to effectively transport amino acids etc into the muscles. thus, while the pancreas is not making insulin, it will instead make glucagon. glucagon is used to mobilize fat cells for energy. add that plus the fact that you are not eating alot of carbs, this keeping blood glucose levels low, your body will turn to either muscle protein or fat. by eating sufficient proteins throughout the day combined with creating muscle hypertrophy in the gym, you will ensure little if any catabolism (muscle breakdown aka gluconeogensis).combine this with eating no carbs, your body will almost assudredly turn to fat. this is only a small amount of the info you will need to fully understand what I am attemmpting to say. though, it should be enough to get started. remember, I believe that insulin sensitivity is the first step in the process, once you have that down, you will lose anywhere from 5-10% BF. Once the scale stops lowering, you have plateaud. Next, by implementing the same exact principles used during learining insulin sensitivity, you tkae it a notch higher by carb cycling. this has been shown to reset metabolism and prevent it from slowing down if done effectively. this means continued fat loss. :->
Kowboyz and dtrek,
Thanks you for posting your meal plans on NO and LOW-CARB days respectively. This helps all of us get ideas on what foods to incoroporate.Last edited by HalleluYAH; 04-25-2005 at 08:55 AM.
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04-25-2005, 12:48 PM #103
Thanx dtrek for the heads up on the spinach and cabbage. I've been looking for something other than meat,fish or cottage cheese to have on my low carb days. I had no idea that mixed nuts were so good for you. I've definitely added them to my daily intake list. I was also screwing up by eating pretty much the majority of my food for the day before going in to work my 12 hour shift. My trainer enlightened me that my body starts stealing protein from my muscles after about 3-4 hours so I've adjusted my mealtimes to where I'm eating 3x at work. I'm just doing my best to be like a sponge and absorb any kind of fresh outlook that might help the overall cause.
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do you guys count the carbs from veggies into your daily totals? its a no carb day and the only carbs i get are from veggies, and i ate like three cups
on another note, i've been on this for my second week in a row and i am feeling GREAT...starting to see some good results i feel, my body feels very good and i'm not tiring out easily.
TODAY WAS NO CARB DAY! yay :-/ however, for some reason i had a great shoulder workout...actually one of my best shoulder workouts that i've had in months
anyone else do that? i psyched myself up so much because i knew it wa going to be a tough day, that i actually did really well and increased my weights/reps quite a bit.
i am definately keeping up this diet!"I now only have good days, and great days"
-Lance Armstrong
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04-25-2005, 07:37 PM #106
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Originally Posted by HalleluYAH
In acouple weeks I'm going to start doing Layne's diet approach, with 1 day of redeeds while gradually decreasing calories/carbs week by week. If that doesn't work I will be doing this diet style and will be seeking everyone's help here again, especially this thread. Thank you.I've still got a lot to learn.
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04-26-2005, 07:22 AM #107Originally Posted by levels1069
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04-26-2005, 10:30 AM #108Originally Posted by Khryz
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drjoe6.htmLast edited by HalleluYAH; 04-26-2005 at 10:38 AM.
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04-26-2005, 10:42 AM #109
my no carb diet from yesterday (in order of being eaten):
1- protein shake, 11 almonds
2- two egg white omelettes (.5cup egg whites), with veggies wrapped in
3- 4oz swordfish, veggies, 2 hardboiled egg whites
4- 3oz swordfish, veggie, 2 hardboiled egg whites
5- preworkout shake, 1 scoop protein
post workout shake, 1.5 scoop protein
6- grilled chicken over a whole bunch of veggies
...also take 6 fish oil caps, two with my three biggest meals of the day.
my low carb day today:
1- protein shake upon waking
2- two egg white omelettes (.5 cup egg whites), 8oz skim milk
3- 3oz grilled salmon, sunflower seeds, sweet peppers
4- 3oz grilled salmon, onions, peppers
5- (preworkout) 1 scoop protein, .5 cup oats
6- (postworkout) 1.5 scoop protein, scoop of gatorade, .25 cup oats
7- grilled chicken over a whole bunch of veggies
...i wanted to try the milk in the morning for my small carb, but from now on i am just going to put in .5cup oats with raisins in it
tommorow is high carb, i cannot wait...its also chest day, should be fun!Last edited by levels1069; 04-26-2005 at 10:45 AM.
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04-26-2005, 10:47 AM #110Originally Posted by levels1069Psalms 51:10-13
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04-26-2005, 10:50 AM #111
haha you responded right before i edited my post.
yeah definately good suggestion, i am still trying things out (thats what the milk was for). i am trying to base my carbs around two times
1- right when i wake up
2- right around my workout
definately from now on i am going to put in .5 oat with raisins in it, that should do the trick
it also annoying cause i've got 3 more pounds to go until i am at the weight that i've set a goal for so i'm all motivated and whatnot, haha"I now only have good days, and great days"
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04-27-2005, 12:59 AM #113
On a no carb day is it wise to eat fruit? I love apples, eat one a day. Are nuts and Pb ok? Heres an example of my no carb day.
.25 Almonds
6 oz Chicken Breast
1 Cup Brocolli
6 oz Chicken Breast
.25 Cup Onions
1/3 Cup Fat free Cheese (Only two carbs and 8 Protein)
1 Cup Brocolli
1 Scoop On Whey
1 Granny Smith Apple
4 Egg Whites
2 Scoops Whey
1 Cup Veggie
4 oz Chicken Breast
1 Cup Veggies
2 tbsp Natty PB1
Hows this look? Comes out to like 1843cal 250protein 58fat 68carbs
Currently Eating:
2400 cal on High Carb
2100 cal on low carb
1800-1900 cal on No carb
Sunday High
Monday Low
Tuesday No
Wednesday Low
Thursday No
Friday High
Saturday No
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04-27-2005, 05:54 AM #114Originally Posted by manthemachine
Nuts and PB are wonderful choices, especially on a NO-CARB day.
Your no-carb diet looks good. Why three (3) no-carb day in your cycle?Psalms 51:10-13
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04-27-2005, 06:30 AM #115
I feel alot better on no carb days. I think Im finding out real quick that Im possibly carb sensitive. Ive been carb cycling for three days and still feel pretty sick. Like possibly overeating. My first high carb day I ate around 280g of carbs and 2700cal. Low Carb day I ate around 130carb and 2200cal, and on my no carb day Im eating 1800cal around 50-60 carbs. Im still experimenting with my BMR. Im losing one pound a week eating at 1800 cal so I think its around the 2300-2400 area. Im really not effected by the no carb days at all. In fact I feel alot better on no carb days then on days when I eat carbs. Carb days I feel sluggish. I have no idea what this means lol, Im just going with it and trying to experiment. I dont want to give this up yet, but if I continue to feel sick and overstuffed, Ill most likely go back to cutting the way I was before. I eat clean all the typical foods, chicken, brown rice, oats, fruit, veggies, nuts, pb etc. Any advice? Think I should stick with it or let it go? Anything youd change? I feel like Ive gained like 5lbs ha. *I know that this is not likely, just the way I feel.*
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04-27-2005, 07:38 AM #116
can you guys please help me with this product and critique my workout plan?
MON - NO CARB day -cardio
TUE - HIGH CARB day - back / biceps
WED - NO carb day - cardio
THU - HIGH - legs/ shoulders
FRI - NO CARB - cardio
SAT - LOW carb - cardio/off
SUN - HIGH carb - chest / triceps
supplements; LIPO6, WHEY, FISH OIL , multivitamins.
Questions:
1. When do MOST people take the fish oil??? morning? noonish?before wrkout?
2. on a NO carb day, allz i eat is CANNED TUNA, CHICKEN BREAST and veggies... lettuce, corn, peas, beans and carrots. Some stay away from carrots and peas, im just reassuring, its safe to eat veggies on NO carb days correct?
3.With the above workout scheme I have carb cycling, has anyone had any luck with LIPO6?
4. I usually do 3 sets per exercise with a range of 8-10 reps, question;
what luck did MOST of you have here here? High reps?more sets?High weight?
thanks !It's not what you do for 30-60 minutes per day that makes the difference.
It's what you do the other 23-23.5 hours of the day that counts
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04-27-2005, 08:09 AM #117Originally Posted by manthemachine
I am NOT saying you are insulin sensitive, although I am suggesting you try implementing the principles of INSULIN SENSITIVITY to a strict degree. This is KEY to fat loss anyways. First and foremost read this link...
http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/13wee...urningdiet.phpPsalms 51:10-13
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04-27-2005, 08:16 AM #118Originally Posted by sharaabi
2.Veggis are a must, especially on ono carb day. I do not eat carrots an peas on no-carb day becuase of the high GI (glycemic index) score, and the sugars. I stick with fibrous green veggies; spinach, brocolli etc. They provide high satiety and fiber supports insulin sensitivity.
3.Never tried LIPO6 personally. Anyone else?
4.If your main goal is to add lean mass :-), then you have to mix it up. prevent yourself from doing the same exercises/sets/reps for more then say 2 weeks in a row. experiement new training to keep the muscle in a state of hypertrophy.Psalms 51:10-13
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04-27-2005, 09:43 AM #119
today is high carb day, and i love it more than life itself...lol
1- one scoop protein
(35mins cardio to help fight the bloat, lol)
2- two egg white omelettes, .75cup oatmeal, two low fat blueberry muffins
half a grapefruit, some raisins
3- 4oz talapia filet, kidney beans, three hardboiled egg whites
.25 cup oats, one LF blueberry muffin
4- 4oz talapia filet, beans, one hardboiled egg white
5- preworkout - 1 cup oats, green apple, 1 scoop protein
6- postworkout - .5 cup oats, 1 scoop gatorade, 1.5 scoop protein
7- grilled chicken over veggies
although i love oats and all, i cant stomache anymore than i have down....so the next best thing i could find on in a college campus cafateria were these low fat blueberry muffins, because even the whole wheat bread is incredibly fake and crappy.
whaddya think?"I now only have good days, and great days"
-Lance Armstrong
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04-27-2005, 09:56 AM #120
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