Still gain muscle with very high calorie diet?

[sfetaz]

Do you think that this would occur:

Assuming all weight training and supplement intake is proper, and the person is getting enough sleep, and the person still gets the proper amount of protein (at least 1 gram per pound)

Could someone gain a good amount of muscle if they pigged out each day? Like if I ate 4,000 calories a day weighing 210 lbs now, but making sure that I get the nutreints and protein I need, yet eating caloric dense foods most of use don't desire? I would like to gain 30 lbs of muscle, and when I reach that goal I can certainly lose the fat gained while maintaining muscle mass. Say this whole process could be within 9 months (6 months of pigging out and 3 months of Body for life for fat loss)

What do you think of this working?

[Luke530]

this is called bulking bro... not pigging out... at 210... you should eat about 4000+ calories per day... try to eat as clean as possible... this is the most effective way to gain muscle...

[Tim]

Of course you are gonna gain muscle, but you will gain a good amount of fat too. Personally, I think that it is best to eat only as far above maintenace cals as you need to, to keep the fat gain as low as possible. The less fat you gain while bulking, the shorter time you will have to cut, and the less muscle you will lose cutting. During my bulking cycle last winter I made the mistake of indiscriminately eating tons of food and I gained too much fat. I wish I had just found my maintenance and then raised the cals from there till I started growing.

[LordNeon]

Originally posted by sfetaz
Do you think that this would occur:

I would like to gain 30 lbs of muscle, and when I reach that goal I can certainly lose the fat gained while maintaining muscle mass. Say this whole process could be within 9 months (6 months of pigging out and 3 months of Body for life for fat loss)

What do you think of this working?

30 lbs of muscle in 6 months of bulking? Unless you juice, that's just not happening, bro. Most would be happy w/10 lbs a year or so.

[Fudog1138]

I did the same thing Tim did. I ate lots of bad calories. I'm currently eating between 3,000 and 3,500 calories right now. I'm keeping my ratio's at 50 c, 30 p and 20 f. So far so good. I've gained around 11 pounds in the last 6 weeks. I'm taking creatine so at least five pounds of that is water. But B/F% is staying relatively the same. I Gains are slow, but I haven't quite set a goal for myself over the next few months. I felt the best way to go about training until I set one is to stay on the anabolic side. Even if it's very low.

[sfetaz]

I am 21 and I am extremely active. I lift weights, do cardio, active pro wrestler (talk about a f**king workout!), I play Dance Dance Revolution, and sometimes play sports. At my age and all those factors I already need a lot of calories. But I still want to gain.

Another problem for me is that I get a sick feeling in my stomach after eating a certain food in a large amount. I literally get ready to puke if I try to eat 2 plain grilled chicken breasts. If it's my free day I tend to have a ton of variety, but it's mostly garbage. Still I am one of the biggest pigs in human history.

And at most 10lbs of muscle in a year? I was already an advanced bodybuilder and when I did body for life the first time, YES body for life, I gained 8 lbs of muscle and lost 26 lbs of fat in 3 months.

Now guys don't get me wrong. I am not saying I am going to have donuts and pizza everyday. But to get those huge numbers of calories like I said I need variety, and there are very few ways to make chicken beef and potatoes different. I am not too concerned about the fat because I know how to lose it. I just want to maximize my muscles gain as largly as possible naturally.

[Fudog1138]

At 21 your coming to an end of that magical gain phase where you've got enough natural test in your body to give the entire male population of the Applewood nursing home a simultaneous erection.
That being said. The ability to gain without lots of fat will taper. My advice is to ween off of the junk food slowly. Take a cooking class (if you've got time), learn to make some healthy dishes. It helps until you get married and will help you resist Wendy's late night menu's as well.
Body for life is a great program, but no great mass gainer.
I think it will do you fine for loosing the unwanted fat. But the way your talking your going to gain to much, get frustrated and end up loosing to much muscle.

Just my humble opinion. Best of luck..

[sfetaz]

I thought that natural testostrone levels for a young male started the decline around age 25.