** Official X-Factor Trial Summaries **

[w_llewellyn]

I have started this thread so that I have a place to organize all of the final summaries from the X-Factor trial. The original thread is getting too long to navigate. I will continue to edit the first page, and bump the thread up when I do so, so that readers can take notice of additions as they come in.

Participants: Please continue to post your final results in the thread linked below. I will summarize and organize your results here. Please PM me if I have made any mistakes in calculation.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=409313

[w_llewellyn]

acecombact1

Measurement______Start_______End______Change
Body Weight_______204.5______210______+ 5.5lbs
Body Fat__________n/a________n/a______- .5%
Bench Press_______205 / 8_____225 / 8___+ 20lbs
Squat____________265 / 6_____275 / 10__+ 10lbs & 4 reps
Deadlift__________180 /6-8___ 205 / 6-8_ + 25lbs

Truncated summary: “…Strength gains were very visible on all my lifts… Endurance was most significant gain from this experiment. I was able to go longer in the gym without being tired… I didn’t notice much of sides [effects]… My face skin became oily, other parts in the body the skin was dry and rough. I also noticed my joints were dryer, and noticed pain in my wrist and elbow. But I reduced dose of X-factor during last week, and added some MSM, and I was good after that. Bottom line: X-factor is very decent non-hormonal anabolic, and I think it has a lot of potential…”


animalfan

Measurement_________Start______End________Change
Body Weight__________165_______172________+ 7lbs (+ 9.5 lbs Lean Mass)
Body Fat_____________11%_______9.5%______- 1.5%
Incline Bench__________-__________-_________+ 25 lbs & reps
Squat________________-__________-_________+ 40 lbs & reps

Truncated summary: “Body weight up to 172 this morning, up around 7 pounds. Bodyfat decreased by 1.5% total…I had raised calories up about 4/500 a day, to 33/3400. I had strength increases on all lifts; I was focused on bringing up my incline bench and squat. Squat is up 40 pounds, incline bench is up 25, all for reps… The pumps that I had noticed seemed to stick around till now, and the soreness I had in the beginning of the trial hasn't been an issue for the past 2/3 weeks. I think I had gotten used to it. Acne was an issue for me at the beginning for the cycle, but added vitamin b6 and using oxy pads quite often took care of that. I am very satisfied with this product. I'll surely be buying another run of it later in the year.”


bigasssnowman

Measurement__________Start_____End_____Change
Body Weight___________207______210_____+ 3lbs (+ 9.2 lbs Lean Mass)
Body Fat______________16.6%____13.6%___- 3%
Dead Lift (still leg)______-_________-_______+ 15 lbs
Incline Bench _________-__________-_______+ 20 lbs
Lat Pull Downs_________-_________-_______+ 20 lbs
Bent Over Rows________-_________-_______+ 15 lbs
Shoulder Press_________-_________-_______+ 10 lbs
DB Skull Crushers_______-_________-_______+ 5 lbs

“Pumps have been unreal, better then any no2 I have taken. In October I was able to squat 238lbs 25 times. I just tried to get 225 as many times as I could, and at 12 my pump was so big and intense that I could not do anymore. My legs get a little more sore then normal. Other then that the soreness only lasts about 1 day longer then normal. Strength: is up on everything but legs.. (hurt my knee). Bi's are about the same. Right now I’m just trying to maintain their size and not get them any bigger. Overall I would say this product is working pretty damn good, and I wish I could say that for some of the other **** I’ve wasted $ on.”



EME (Cutting Cycle/Contest Prep)

Measurement___________Start__________End_____Chang e
Body Weight ___________176___________163_____- 13 lbs
Lean Body Mass_________155.59lbs______151.92___- 3.67 lbs (mostly water)
Body Fat_______________11.6%_________6.8%____- 4.8%

Truncated summary: “The goal of my training during this phase was to cut toward competition condition, while maintaining as much lean muscle as possible… I believe I successfully achieved my goal of cutting fat and maintaining muscle during the past 50 days, and I believe that X-Factor was a significant component in my success. The only side effect I noticed was increased soreness during the first few weeks. However, this soreness either went away, or I became more used to it, because I did not notice it after about week 3. I will definitely include X-Factor as part of my cutting programs in the future. I definitely feel it helped me maintain Lean Body Mass while dropping fat. I am also looking forward to including X-Factor as part of my mass building program in the off season...”


Mountaineer

Measurement________Start________End_______Change
Body Weight_________217_________223_______+ 6lbs
Body Fat ___________n/a__________n/a_______nc
Strength____________-____________-_________Significant Increases

Truncated summary: “…I ended the cycle at a total of only 42 days on X-factor due to some nagging shoulder pain. I felt that I had to give my body a break for a week or two to prevent further injury. This is an on going problem that has plagued me since I've started lifting weights. I don't believe it is any way related to the X-factor… Total weight gain at about 6 pounds. For me this is quite good. I do feel that this would have been more had I increased my calories… Overall I would give this product my thumbs up. I think this product helped me increase strength more than anything… I will definitely use it again. I feel to get the most from it you have to eat more calories to get the most from it. I do not know if the increased caloric demand is from protein synthesis or what but I do feel it is definitely there.”


NeilB

Measurement________Start_____End______Change
Body Weight_________193______204______+ 11 lbs
Body Fat____________n/a______n/a_______n/a
Strength____________-________-_________Significant Increases

Truncated summary: “Overall my results have been really satisfactory. Remember how I started with my bodyweight of 193lbs? - Well after eight weeks I now weigh 204lbs. - that's an 11 lb increase. My wife and kids have really noticed my muscle size development. I love it. Every workout I did there was an increase in strength. And all I did was increase my intake of protein- whatever I could find - protein shake, chicken sandwich, tuna, etc. Needless to say, my workout intensity really improved. Even now, I can still feel the flu-like soreness on my muscles after working out. And the muscle pump is really great… I'll probably cycle off for a month and then resume for another eight weeks.”

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[Lonny]

Looks like your trial was a success. How many more people are there to hand in results?

[w_llewellyn]

Originally Posted by Lonny

Looks like your trial was a success. How many more people are there to hand in results?

Thank you Lonny. There is still a good number to come in yet. More summaries are expected today/tomorrow (I hope), and most testers are completing this week if they haven't already. I am obviously very pleased with the way things are going! The results have been great and very consistent! I don't want to get too excited about this, but I am hopeful this will turn out to be something very big!

Thanks to everyone who has/is taking part!

[zachattack43]

Originally Posted by Lonny

Looks like your trial was a success. How many more people are there to hand in results?

I will do a full anaylsis tonight when i get back from economics and bio lab tonight.

[matpal]

Congrats, Bill. Those are some very impressive numbers.

[juanca]

Originally Posted by Lonny

Looks like your trial was a success. How many more people are there to hand in results?

pshh, yea deffinetely.

i mean, all of the testers have given great feedback, and with feedback like that, you can deff. expect big sales to come man.

congratulations to a good company.

JC

[The Monstrosity]

Thanks for putting it all in one thread like that. The other thread was way to long. Those are some awesome numbers. Its really helpful to know what I can realistically expect to shoot for and how to use this properly. It would seem increasing calories would be a good idea. Plus now I know what kind of sides to possibly be prepared for. I just placed my first order of X-factor.

[zachattack43]

Alright Finally my numbers:

BEFORE Measurements.............................AFTER
Chest - 46in........................................46.5 inch (outer chest is more ripped and developed to the negative eye)
Forearms - 12 1/2................................13 in ( new exercises were introduced when i started this supp, bc my friends did them and it became an ego contest)
Arms - 15 1/2.....................................15 3/4 (biceps seem the same, but triceps are much bigger and well defined, yet still undersized)

Calves - 15......................................15 1/4 (pretty much back to the size it should be)
Quads - 24 1/2.................................same (i blame the groin injury, but no biggie)

Waist - 35.75....................................35in
Weight - 191.....................................196lb ( i was on a clean, lean bulk)
Bf% - 14.9% .................................... 13.7% (around the ab region, I looked more ripped, top abs are showing for the first time since early last fall)

LIFTS:
.....................BEFORE....................... ............AFTER:
Bench press: 1 x 7 - 185.................................1 x 5 - 225
Lat pulldowns 1 x 8 - 120................................1 x 6 - 150
Pull ups.........1 x 13........................................1 x 22
Squats..........1 x 6 - 225.................................1 x 4 - 225 ( 1 x 1 - 285) This was all due to my inability to train my legs from my groin injury
Bent over calf raises: 1x 15 - 320.......................1 x 15 - 360
Seated Smith bar Raises: 1 x 8 - 105..................1 x 4 - 125

Other lifts were about the same, those are the ones with the major differences. In not a single lift did anything go down.

Thoughts:
-X-Factor was never a problem for me to consume, the capsules were the size of Vitamin E caps.
-I did occasionaly forget (2-3times) usually at night at the beginning, but once i got in the habit of consuming it was not a problem.
- I never experienced any pumps they ppl were talking about, only pumps were in my arms as usual.
- did help increase in my strength
- Also seemed to help with fatloss more so towards my image in the mirror than in the actual numbers itself
-My girlfriend noticed a tremendous increase in my size and thought i needed to upgrade my polo shirt sizes even though she dug the sleeves looking like there were about to rip
- My pecs are more finely tuned conditioned wise, esspecially the outer and have a more ideal shape
- My forearm size went up mostly due to the new exeercises introduced at the beginning of this log when i started having 2 workout partners aka the ego contest or pissing contest

Drawbacks:
-2nd week i experienced some burps that seemed like X factor, only happened after the morning dose but subsided after a couple days.
- acne did increases slightly on my back, it cooled off but still there was a slight increase
- Cant take pain meds, there was about 4 times i had a real bad headache and just pulled through it without the pain meds
- I limited my consumptiop of Omega 3s, only consumption was olive oil when i bake my chicken or to coat my steaks before cooking.
- This is not really a drawback, but for most of us it might be. I am used to creatine/NO products and these are products i can "feel" working or whatever, this is one product that requires patience and evaluations in the mirror each week to properly assess the progress

Once again i like to thank William for the opportunity to test this supplement. Thanks

[acecombact1]

w_llewellyn there are many non-testers who bought x-factor and they have a log. maybe you can add their results to final analysis:

http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...light=x-factor

http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...light=x-factor

http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...light=x-factor

[Vinnie Bobarino]

Originally Posted by w_llewellyn

I have started this thread so that I have a place to organize all of the final summaries from the X-Factor trial. The original thread is getting too long to navigate. I will continue to edit the first page, and bump the thread up when I do so, so that readers can take notice of additions as they come in.

Participants: Please continue to post your final results in the thread linked below. I will summarize and organize your results here. Please PM me if I have made any mistakes in calculation.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=409313

Do you think that your participants could of achieved similar results with proper nutrition and training alone?

[animalfan]

Originally Posted by Vinnie Bobarino

Do you think that your participants could of achieved similar results with proper nutrition and training alone?

nutrition and training alone work great if you have everything straight. i was doing pretty good without x-factor. the x-factor helped lose some fat while i was in a "lean bulk". i was eating above maintenance and lost some fat. i honestly don't know how accurate my bf percentage is, my wife checks it with plastic calipers. but, she always checks it the same, and i'm confident that if not exactly accurate, it's consistent.

i'd say the x-factor sped results from proper diet and training. after all, it's a supplement, and that is what they are intended to do. i'll be buying 3 more bottles late summer to run again. i liked it enough to spend my money on it, and have recommended it to people i know. good luck if you try it!

chris

[w_llewellyn]

Originally Posted by Vinnie Bobarino

Do you think that your participants could of achieved similar results with proper nutrition and training alone?

Definitely a fair question Vinnie, as well as a good one. Clearly you know that one of the easiest ways to "massage" a trial like this would be to pick testers who haven't done a lot of weight training prior, so that their natural progress becomes confused with the supplement. That is one of the reasons I specifically chose testers with a minimum of 1 year consistant training prior. Most particiapnts were far more experienced than that actually, and well informed in the subject. I didn't want anyone questioning that the results were caused by "beginner's push" or "placebo effect", and believe I picked about as good of a group as anyone could.

You may ask particpants if they feel that X-Factor was indidental to their progress, but I am hopeful you won't get too many "yes" answers.

[juanca]

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[EME]

Hey Vinnie,

I was one of the X-Factor testers. My full log can be seen here:
http://www.michaelandkendra.com/Mich...Factor_Log.htm

I have been training for more than 20 years, and have prepared for competition many times. In fact my current contest prep is my fourth in the last two years.

I definitely feel that X-Factor made a difference in my training and contest prep. The only significant difference between my preparation this time and my previous preps over the past two years was the use of X-Factor.

Right now, at 11 days out from my show, I'm 14 pounds heavier than at this same point last year at the same bodyfat %.

I'm a natural competitor. No prohormones, steroids, etc...

Although diet and nutrition certainly played a significant role in the gains I have made since last year, I feel X-Factor was another critical component my progress. I will definitely include in my future contest preparations.

Please let me know if you have any additional questions.

- EME

www.MichaelElias.com

Originally Posted by Vinnie Bobarino

Do you think that your participants could of achieved similar results with proper nutrition and training alone?

[dwm230000]

Originally Posted by w_llewellyn

Clearly you know that one of the easiest ways to "massage" a trial like this would be to pick testers who haven't done a lot of weight training prior, so that their natural progress becomes confused with the supplement. That is one of the reasons I specifically chose testers with a minimum of 1 year consistant training prior. Most particiapnts were far more experienced than that actually, and well informed in the subject. I didn't want anyone questioning that the results were caused by "beginner's push" or "placebo effect", and believe I picked about as good of a group as anyone could.

I'm glad you mentioned this and that you ran the trial choosing your participants this way. Whenever I see studies by supplement companies, I always assume they tried to sway the results by choosing the testers that they know will respond the best (i.e. beginner's push). This is obviously not the case in your trial. From the results and feedback, it looks as if you have a solid product and I look forward to trying it in the future.

[w_llewellyn]

Did the edit feature change? I can't add to my spacer pages up top. I will post here, on the bottom, until I can reorganize them.

drewkowsky (Cutting Cycle)

Measurement_________Start________End________Change
Body Weight__________231_________235________+ 4 lbs (+ 8.62 lbs Lean Mass)
Body Fat______________-___________-__________- 2% (est. by 2” waist reduction)
Waist________________40”__________38”________- 2”
Bench Press_________265-240_______280________+ 15-40 lbs

Truncated summary: “This stuff has blown me away.”


SixAbs

Measurement____________Start____________End_______ __Change
Body Weight_____________180_____________187_________+ 7 lbs (7.9 lbs Lean mass)
Body Fat_________________-_______________-___________- .5%
Squat___________________-________________-___________+ 30 lbs
Deadlift__________________-_______________-____________+ 20 lbs
Beanch__________________-________________-___________n/c
Pullups___________________-_______________-____________+ 10 lbs
Curls____________________-________________-____________+ 3 reps
Triceps Extensions_________-________________-____________+ 10 lbs

Truncated summary: “No increased acne. Pumps during workouts were amazing, freaking amazing. BTW what’s most amazing is that for most of this cycle I was eating maintenance calories. Good product, and I recommend it. So far all the Molecular Nutrition products I’ve used, I’ve liked. Thanks William for the opportunity and kick ass results!”


Zackattach43

Measurement____________Start__________End_______Ch ange
Body Weight_____________191___________196_______+ 5 lbs (+6.53 lbs Lean Mass)
Body Fat________________14.9%_________13.7%_____- .8% (increased abdominal visibility)
Chest___________________46”___________46.5”_______ + .5” (more developed and ripped)
Waist__________________35.75”__________35”________- .75”
Forearms_______________12.5”___________13”+_______ .5” (new exercises also started)
Arms___________________15.5”___________15.75”_____ _+ .25” (more triceps mass)
Calves__________________15”_____________15.25”____ __+ .25”
Quads__________________24.5”____________24.5”_____ __n/c – groin injury
Bench________________185 / 7 reps________225 / 5______significant increase
Lat Pulldowns___________120 / 8___________150 / 6______significant increase
Pull ups__________________13______________22__________+ 9 reps
Squats_________________225 / 6____________n/c_________injury
Bend over calf raises_____320 / 15__________360 / 15______+ 40 lbs
Seated Smith Raises______105 / 8___________125 / 4_______n/a

Truncated summary: Other lifts were about the same; those are the ones with the major differences. In not a single lift did anything go down. I never experienced any pumps the people were talking about; only pumps were in my arms as usual. It did help increase in my strength, and also seemed to help with fat loss - more so towards my image in the mirror than in the actual numbers itself. My girlfriend noticed a tremendous increase in my size and thought I needed to upgrade my polo shirt sizes even though she dug the sleeves looking like there were about to rip. My pecs are more finely tuned conditioned wise, especially the outer and have a more ideal shape. My forearm size went up mostly due to the new exercises introduced at the beginning of this log when I started having 2 workout partners (aka the ego contest or pissing contest). Drawbacks: 2nd week I experienced some burps that seemed like X factor, only happened after the morning dose but subsided after a couple days. Acne did increases slightly on my back. It cooled off but still there was a slight increase. Can’t take pain meds, there was about 4 times I had a real bad headache and just pulled through it without the pain meds. I limited my consumption of Omega 3s. Only consumption was olive oil when I bake my chicken or to coat my steaks before cooking. This is not really a drawback, but for most of us it might be. I am used to creatine/NO products and these are products I can "feel" working or whatever. This is one product that requires patience and evaluations in the mirror each week to properly assess the progress. “

[TrueWarrior1]

just the thread that i've been looking for. it seems a little expensive though(uk). maybe one to try in the future.

[RIPped1484]

This product looks great, but it seems a little worrying that this can cause inflammation and possibly aggravate your prostate. I guess if you used this stuff it would be wise to load up on omega 3's, sesathin, and tons of anti-oxidants and good foods after you finished a cycle?

[w_llewellyn]

Originally Posted by TrueWarrior1

just the thread that i've been looking for. it seems a little expensive though(uk). maybe one to try in the future.

Just FYI, I am taking advantage of our out of stock situation by reformulating X-Factor. The new version will cost a little more, but will provide 250mg per cap in a 100 count bottle. The end result will be a 2 bottle cycle instead of 3, and a notable reduction in overall cost.

[zachattack43]

Hey William, i was wondering i could of swore i read that you stated that X-factor ingredient was awarded a patent, if so then why is Syntrax still selling theirs?

[w_llewellyn]

Originally Posted by RIPped1484

This product looks great, but it seems a little worrying that this can cause inflammation and possibly aggravate your prostate. I guess if you used this stuff it would be wise to load up on omega 3's, sesathin, and tons of anti-oxidants and good foods after you finished a cycle?

If you are dealing with BPH you should probably avoid it, or at least be cautious with your dosing/duration of use. It isn't dangerous, but more inflammation might increase discomfort. If you are OK now though, you should have little cause for worry.

Although I don't think there is any danger in not supplementing Omega-3's post-cycle, I personally like these supplements for overall long-term health and definitely support the practice. I'd sugguest looking for a good (lab tested) Omega 3 supp, and Avant's Sesathin definitely intersts me a great deal right now as well. Might want to look at that too, as you mentioned.

[w_llewellyn]

Originally Posted by zachattack43

Hey William, i was wondering i could of swore i read that you stated that X-factor ingredient was awarded a patent, if so then why is Syntrax still selling theirs?

Derek and I shared a few supplement ideas last year, with the agreement that we'd honor each others patents if the other were eventually awarded any. Mine just came in, so I wouldn't begrudge him selling what he had already made prior. Moving forward we are in negotiations, and I believe SI03 is interested in selling it. Nothing is final yet though, and we're taking things slowly on all lisencing deals given the magnitude of what we feel we're working with here.

[w_llewellyn]

Hey, for all I know Muscletech will offer me an 8 figure deal for the patent rights, and I can retire and sit here all day.

Arac-Tech.. Factor-Tech... Donic-Tech..




(seriously, jokes)

[Vinnie Bobarino]

Originally Posted by w_llewellyn

Definitely a fair question Vinnie, as well as a good one. Clearly you know that one of the easiest ways to "massage" a trial like this would be to pick testers who haven't done a lot of weight training prior, so that their natural progress becomes confused with the supplement. That is one of the reasons I specifically chose testers with a minimum of 1 year consistant training prior. Most particiapnts were far more experienced than that actually, and well informed in the subject. I didn't want anyone questioning that the results were caused by "beginner's push" or "placebo effect", and believe I picked about as good of a group as anyone could.

You may ask particpants if they feel that X-Factor was indidental to their progress, but I am hopeful you won't get too many "yes" answers.

Thanks. the only thing to really do is to try it out myself. I have been a bit lazy in reading up on the product and the feed back.

[BiggJohn]

Originally Posted by w_llewellyn

Just FYI, I am taking advantage of our out of stock situation by reformulating X-Factor. The new version will cost a little more, but will provide 250mg per cap in a 100 count bottle. The end result will be a 2 bottle cycle instead of 3, and a notable reduction in overall cost.

Good idea, changing to cater to customer needs.

Question, I have a family history of heart disease and have been diagnosed with hypertension. Should I stay away from x-factor? Some of your past comments would make me think so.

[jeffpoos]

Totally jumping on theX-Factor bandwagon. Wondering if i can take this along with cee products? I am on Omega Cre-Ethyl thunder(which i like alot) and was hoping to continue to take it with X. I will drop my fish oil serverings though.

Just wondering. And thanks for the summary thread!!!

Keep up the great work

Jeffpoos