I workout generally right before bed because it fits my schedule the best..I was wondering which is more for me right after my workout (and also right before bed), getting fast absorbing protein, or having slow-absorbing protein for overnight?.. My two choices are whey protein in water, or a protein shake (milk, cottage cheese, whey protein)
What do you guys think?
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04-10-2005, 06:26 PM #1
What's more important? Quick absorbing protein PWO or casein protein before bed?
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04-10-2005, 07:00 PM #7Originally Posted by teen8ger
Milk before bed is absolutely fine. Hell, I drink 3-4 glasses directly before bed sometimes...
Milk is actually considered low on the GI index, therefore not causing a spike in insulin levels, something such as candy with high sugar would do that. Get your facts right.
Milk is casein which is slow digesting which is fantastic while your sleeping for 7 hours...
most bodybuilders see great results from cottage cheese? LOL where did that come from...I agree it is beneficial for protein source...i just dont know LOL "IT WORKS"
Nothing personal man.
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04-10-2005, 07:09 PM #8
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04-10-2005, 07:16 PM #9Originally Posted by MakinItBIG
I quote Alan Aragorn here: "Despite having a very low GI of 15-36, milk and yogurt have a high insulin index equivalent to that of the high-GI white bread [5]."forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=527284
Practice safe eating - always use condiments.
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04-10-2005, 07:42 PM #10Originally Posted by rockstarsar
http://www.mendosa.com/insulin_index.htmUnaffiliated.
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04-10-2005, 08:20 PM #11Originally Posted by xxghostxx
I found a couple here and there that normal people question or head about dairy may cause a larger increase in insulin levels even though it has a low GI, but there is no evidence, they were statements from other boards/members.
Your telling me milk should not be drinken before bed? Its not beneficial. I think most on this board will agree milk is awesome. regardless. anything under 55 is considered low, whole milk at 27, you cannot compare that with a peice of sugary candy or white rice at over 70+ - 98 on the GI..milk is superior by far.
In conclusion, this is coming from someone who posted MMM milk...
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=441008
and...I just found out alan is just a member here. He has a thread about how much he loves milk pre/post workout..etc
(even if we're talking about before bed, doesnt matter)Last edited by MakinItBIG; 04-10-2005 at 08:28 PM.
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04-10-2005, 08:30 PM #12Originally Posted by MakinItBIG
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04-10-2005, 08:33 PM #13
http://www.thepaleodiet.com/articles/Milk%20Final.pdf
Keep researching on the insulin index.forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=527284
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04-10-2005, 08:58 PM #14Originally Posted by MakinItBIGUnaffiliated.
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04-10-2005, 09:06 PM #16
I am lactose intolerant, but even if I wasn't, crossly challenging someone to drink milk before bed in response to: "No, actually, milk does rank high on the insulin index. And an insulin spike will blunt the release of growth hormone." is uncalled for. You said milk was low GI, which meant it would not cause a large insulin secretion. I just pointed out that in fact, milk is very insulinogenic. Yeah, I should have clarified my point on insulin spikes blunting growth hormone - I did not say that the insulin release stimulated by milk itself would blunt GH. I meant it as a general blanket statement.
forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=527284
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04-11-2005, 08:50 AM #21Originally Posted by MakinItBIG
"Milk before bed is absolutely fine."
get your facts straight, but you wont be able to, because you are more concerned about clinging on to OLD ideas and OLD ways of thinking such as looking at LOL Gi-index to determine INSULIN spikes.
And if you DONT know how cottage cheese "WORKS" then that just shows YOUR LACK of intelligence/knowledge regarding cottage cheese.
You havent even given one single proof about how milk is good BEFORE bed, and you say its 'absolutely fine' ... you seem more interested in jamming YOUR ideas on this forum instead of posting FACTS and helping other people get QUALITY RESULTS that will last a lifetime.
"Milk before bed is absolutely fine. Hell, I drink 3-4 glasses directly before bed sometimes..."
So milk is ABOSLUTELY FINE just because YOU drink 3-4 glasses prior to sleeping SOMETIMES...??
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
Also, it seems like you dont UNDERSTAND much of what is going on, that could also be the reason why you lack knowledge.
You hide behind 'science' saying there are no scientific studies and blah blah blah while knowing nothing about science yourself.
Milk is fine (for me and my stomach). I drink milk everyday. I dont drink it before bed. I eat cottage cheese.
"At this point, you might be asking yourself why I simply don't recommend milk. Well, I'm hesitate to suggest milk as a result of the recent data showing that unfermented, intact milk (skim or whole) may not be all that great for you. The high incidence of milk allergies and lactose intolerance coupled with a huge insulin index makes me hesitant to give my endorsement to the moo juice. However, milk products like cottage cheese behave differently than milk and are another solid choice."
http://johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/bedtime.htm
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04-11-2005, 11:15 AM #22
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04-11-2005, 02:33 PM #23Originally Posted by teen8ger
Milk is fine. yes I drink a lot of it and I havent seen any significant fat increases from this amazing insulin spike you speak of. Im not focusing on old information, perhaps the information is just correct. It is "considered" low on the Gi index, yet dairy MAY increase insulin levels, but there is no proof.
There was a poll done on this board I believe on whether or not we all drink milk and the majority, 90% said all the time, they live off of it...etc
I lack knowledge? LOL, far from it. I suppose we all agree that milk is good. but to say it isnt beneficial before bed doesnt make sense. You want proof on why milk is good...there are many reasons..
. I am still searching for articles relating milk and insulin spikes, but i cant seem to find any? casein protein digests slow and is slowly absorbed which is a good thing.
dont take it personal man. Give me some data on why cottage cheese WORKS and is so great. I agree, it is very beneficial before bed or at anytime of the day, great protein source...etc
obviously bodybuilders have also been using it for a long time because its been around for hundreds of years...
I know nothing of science? im an exercise science major and study science all the time
If it werent for 'science', then you wouldnt have all those great benefits from bodybuilding and nutrition. Im hiding behind 'science', its just the way it is. The proof is in the science behind things. So I guess I can say, I dont believe it until I see research evidence because I guess this just my opinion. BUT, personal experience because Im continuing to lose body fat while drinking all that milk prior to bed. hmm, go figure. evern though every1 is different, I still havent heard or spoken to anyone saying they are getting too fat from milk and have to cut down due to the spikes during sleep and leaving it in the form of storage fat.Last edited by MakinItBIG; 04-11-2005 at 02:38 PM.
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04-11-2005, 02:47 PM #24
IMO you want carbs PWO, even if you work out just before bed and even if that does blunt GH release.
Since you have limited time I'd go with dex+whey immediately after the workout, or say 30 mins before the end. Then go with the casein (in some form, I prefer cottage cheese) with some more slow digesting carbs (e.g. oats or yam) 30 mins after the dex+whey. Since this is the last meal before bed I'd also consider adding some fat to slow absorption.
If I had to choose between the two (e.g. you are totally anti dex), I'd go with the cottage cheese + low GI carbs.Last edited by Jules Verne; 04-11-2005 at 02:50 PM.
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