If Zionism was so successful, why don't Muslims do the same thing?

[Marlowfrost]

Look at how successful Israel is right now in regards for people of Jewish faith having a homeland. Why isn't there a same concept for Muslims?

[Diesel66]

Look at how successful Israel is right now in regards for people of Jewish faith having a homeland. Why isn't there a same concept for Muslims?

Muslims control many nations already ? Muslims number 1 billion + people, Jewish is around 13 mil with 11 million in the US and Israel.

[bulletproofsoul]

Look at how successful Israel is right now in regards for people of Jewish faith having a homeland. Why isn't there a same concept for Muslims?

I wonder what you'd call Saudi Arabia?

[Marlowfrost]

So then Saudi Arabia has a law of return concept? Do they have absorbtion centers that last for new immigrants? Do they have little communes geared towards immigrants scattered around the desert?

[cheese05]

So then Saudi Arabia has a law of return concept? Do they have absorbtion centers that last for new immigrants? Do they have little communes geared towards immigrants scattered around the desert?

no but i do know that saudi arabia teaches all children hate and wahabbist fundamentalist muslim ideals in their public schools. i do know that they allow millions of muslims a year to the holy sites of mecca and medina for their annual pilgrimage. they take good care of their people, and let the filipinos and africans do all the dirty work. the real question is, why are jews so successful? well, they are a mercantilist people, stretching back thousands of years. it is in their blood. the muslim people cry about their problems, living in poverty. they need to man the feck up and start going to school, go to college, and outsmart the jews.

[Renegade Master]

Muslims have like 30 nations around the world stretching from the East indies to the western tip of Africa.

[Canadian Nanook]

Here is a picture of the arab/muslim nations
Frankly, the conflict is not about Jew versus muslim or Jew versus Arab, its Palestinian nationalism versus israeli nationalism. Yes there is plenty of room for the Palestinians to move to. Jordan doesn't want them and neither does Egypt, so they are kinda stuck.

[Dave22reborn]

Maybe if the Arab nations didn't treat the Jews like ****, they wouldn't have fled those countries, and immigrated to Israel.

Maybe if the Arab nations didn't attack Israel in the first place, it wouldn't be the size it is today.

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Maybe if the Arab nations didn't treat the Jews like ****, they wouldn't have fled those countries, and immigrated to Israel.

Maybe if the Arab nations didn't attack Israel in the first place, it wouldn't be the size it is today.

Maybe if Britain and the US didn't implant Israel into land already occupied by Palestnians and then stick their middle finger up at them when they became concerned for their rights there wouldn't be such conflict as there is today?

[Dave22reborn]

Maybe if Britain and the US didn't implant Israel into land already occupied by Palestnians and then stick their middle finger up at them when they became concerned for their rights there wouldn't be such conflict as there is today?

Jesus, the land that was offered to them was like what??? A square mile or two?? So what happens??? They attack them in 48, 56, 67, 73. And Israel becomes stronger, and larger.

Many muslims were allied with Hitler, os it wasn't like Jews and muslims got along before the creation of Israel.

Ever hear about the Mufti's relationship/ meeting with Hitler???

[bulletproofsoul]

Guess what? His Tubbiness is currently visiting in Crawford, Texas and he's gonna get told a big fat N-O and it's about time.

[Dave22reborn]

Guess what? His Tubbiness is currently visiting in Crawford, Texas and he's gonna get told a big fat N-O and it's about time.

Yeah, that's great. DAMN THOSE EVIL ISRAELIS!!!!!!

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Jesus, the land that was offered to them was like what??? A square mile or two?? So what happens??? They attack them in 48, 56, 67, 73. And Israel becomes stronger, and larger.

Many muslims were allied with Hitler, os it wasn't like Jews and muslims got along before the creation of Israel.

Ever hear about the Mufti's relationship/ meeting with Hitler???

Sorry but IMO the invasion of a country justifies armed action from its allies...

Which mufti are you referring too? From what i understand there are a lot of muftis out there.

[Canadian Nanook]

Sorry but IMO the invasion of a country justifies armed action from its allies...

Which mufti are you referring too? From what i understand there are a lot of muftis out there.

when was the country invaded? Do you mean if the offensive attack of one ally automatically forces the other allies to attack? Because if that was the case many countries would be in alot of trouble, Canada, Japan, Mexico, etc. If you mean the invasion of the land known as Palestine, it was never invaded, Britain owned the land. It was theirs. It was a colony under British control, they decided to give half to the Jews and half to the palestinians. and that's what happened. Then someone said, wait, the jews got stuff, I want some of that, and invasion ensues in 1948, a country just forms beats off 4 arab armies and gains land. This is not an invasion, its a defensive war.

[Dave22reborn]

Sorry but IMO the invasion of a country justifies armed action from its allies...

Which mufti are you referring too? From what i understand there are a lot of muftis out there.

This coming from a guy that lives in Austrailia???? Okay why don't you give your land back to the Aboriginies?? Oh, I'm sorry you call them Abbos over there.

Israel in the very beginning was going to be the size of NOTHING!!!!!! Even now, it makes up like 1% of the middle east, in the beginning it probably made up like .20%.

The Muftie of Egypt made a deal with Hitler. Look it up on Yahoo, also something like 10,000 muslims were recruited in the SS.

I love how you say the invasion of a country.

Face it, if Israel shouldn't exist, then neither should most of the middle east, since they were "created" by France and England.

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This coming from a guy that lives in Austrailia???? Okay why don't you give your land back to the Aboriginies?? Oh, I'm sorry you call them Abbos over there.

Israel in the very beginning was going to be the size of NOTHING!!!!!! Even now, it makes up like 1% of the middle east, in the beginning it probably made up like .20%.

The Muftie of Egypt made a deal with Hitler. Look it up on Yahoo, also something like 10,000 muslims were recruited in the SS.

I love how you say the invasion of a country.

Face it, if Israel shouldn't exist, then neither should most of the middle east, since they were "created" by France and England.

thought we were just sharing opinions here, didn't expect to be attacked...anyway can't be bothered responding to your whole message right now except to say that i happen to be Aboriginal (actually i hate that word, i am a yamaji), and the last person that called me an abo got a smack in the mouth, that fact that i am Aboriginal makes me sympathise with the palestinians more...you would find many Aboriginals feel the same way...oh and i never said israel shouldn't exist, fact is i believe that the jews do deserve a homeland...

[bulletproofsoul]

Yeah, that's great. DAMN THOSE EVIL ISRAELIS!!!!!!

Ah, Dave? That's not what I meant nor is it what I think.
I allow people who think in monolithic terms to say THE ARABS are such and such and THE ISRAELIS are such and such...but that isn't my style.

I only mentioned one Israeli...namely His Tubbiness...who will try to get from Bush what he will try to get.

The "getting" from America is finished.

[Dave22reborn]

Ah, Dave? That's not what I meant nor is it what I think.
I allow people who think in monolithic terms to say THE ARABS are such and such and THE ISRAELIS are such and such...but that isn't my style.

I only mentioned one Israeli...namely His Tubbiness...who will try to get from Bush what he will try to get.

The "getting" from America is finished.

What makes you think it's finished??? We're still going to help them out, we'll still sell them weapons, or give them weapons. They'll upgrade them, give or sell them back to us, or they'll also sell weapons to China, whatever.

There's never going to be a peace really over there, long stretches of silence maybe. But hell, even in the US here, many Muslim schools take a black marker, wipe out Israel's name, and replaces it with the word Palestine.

[Dave22reborn]

thought we were just sharing opinions here, didn't expect to be attacked...anyway can't be bothered responding to your whole message right now except to say that i happen to be Aboriginal (actually i hate that word, i am a yamaji), and the last person that called me an abo got a smack in the mouth, that fact that i am Aboriginal makes me sympathise with the palestinians more...you would find many Aboriginals feel the same way...oh and i never said israel shouldn't exist, fact is i believe that the jews do deserve a homeland...

Then the fact that you're an Aboriginal should have you sympathize with the Jews as well. They're practically treated like crap everywhere except in their own country.

Also what borders should make up Israel?? Should it go back to the size it was in 48, 56, 67 or 73????

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Then the fact that you're an Aboriginal should have you sympathize with the Jews as well. They're practically treated like crap everywhere except in their own country.

Also what borders should make up Israel?? Should it go back to the size it was in 48, 56, 67 or 73????

Hey thanks for telling me what i should feel as an Aboriginal person, I appreciate it. Look over my posts and you will see that I have not said anything bad about Israel or jewish people in general, I do sympathise with Jewish people for the prejudice they suffer from in the world however i don't think this takes away from a person's right to defend their land.

What size should Israel be? It should be the size and shape that pleases that most amount of people on both sides...

[Dave22reborn]

Hey thanks for telling me what i should feel as an Aboriginal person, I appreciate it. Look over my posts and you will see that I have not said anything bad about Israel or jewish people in general, I do sympathise with Jewish people for the prejudice they suffer from in the world however i don't think this takes away from a person's right to defend their land.

What size should Israel be? It should be the size and shape that pleases that most amount of people on both sides...

Dude that's never going to happen, neither side is going to be satisfied.

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Dude that's never going to happen, neither side is going to be satisfied.

Unfortunately I think you're right, the dissapointing thing is that i think it could actually work out really well if both sides were willing to compromise.

[Canadian Nanook]

The thing is, it was equally split, in 1948 Britain gave half to the Jews and half to the arabs, then the arabs attacked because apparently, half wasn't good enough.

[Marlowfrost]

Wait a second, I don't mean Muslims doing the same method the Zionists did to acquire Israel/Palestine. I mean why isn't there an Islamic state geared towards Islam only, not tribalism or nationalistic ideals. Isn't it unviersally assumed that the British created the Wahhabists? How many mosques in North America are financed by the Wahhabists(The House of Saud)?

Personally, I think the Ottoman Empire really had something going.

[Ali_Z]

The reason why the Arabs attacked the Jews was that the Jews took over factories and didn't allow Arabs to have jobs. This is a fact and it wasn't until 1988 that this became illeagel.

At the end of WWI the Arabs were promised to recieve independece for fighting the Ottoman Turks but the Allies betrayed the Arabs and gave Palestine and Iraq to Britain. This is a reason why Arabs dispise the west so much.

The Balfour decleration is the "split" which stated that nothing shall be dne which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine.

As for the topic of this thread,

the Arabs had planned to make a nation for all muslims to be united in but the West had lied and cheated them so this wasn't possible to do.

[PowerSwede]

Look at how successful Israel is right now in regards for people of Jewish faith having a homeland. Why isn't there a same concept for Muslims?

There is, the support for a Muslim State is overwhelming but we need something like what happened in the death camps of Germany to grant it.

Perhaps more, after all, we're the media generation, nothing makes us flinch.

Write up the plan and i'll promise that i'll present it for you.

[NuggzTheNinja]

The reason why the Arabs attacked the Jews was that the Jews took over factories and didn't allow Arabs to have jobs. This is a fact and it wasn't until 1988 that this became illeagel.

At the end of WWI the Arabs were promised to recieve independece for fighting the Ottoman Turks but the Allies betrayed the Arabs and gave Palestine and Iraq to Britain. This is a reason why Arabs dispise the west so much.

The Balfour decleration is the "split" which stated that nothing shall be dne which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine.

As for the topic of this thread,

the Arabs had planned to make a nation for all muslims to be united in but the West had lied and cheated them so this wasn't possible to do.

So the Arabs couldn't start their own factories?

LOL, yeah OK.

The Palestinians want the land because the Israelis turned it from a piece of sh-t in the middle of the desert, into a viable country with a strong infrastructure.

That's why the Palestinians want it.

Think of the land as a car. It used to be a piece of sh-t car. Then, the Israeli's bought it, fixed it up. Now, the previous owner (who's car was essentially impounded by [britain]) wants the car back, now that it's all nice and spiffy.

And you think the Arab nations give a damn about Palestinians? In the Arab world, Palestinians are the maids and trash collectors. Why should the Israelis care if their own brother Muslims don't?

[PowerSwede]

So the Arabs couldn't start their own factories?

LOL, yeah OK.

The Palestinians want the land because the Israelis turned it from a piece of sh-t in the middle of the desert, into a viable country with a strong infrastructure.

That's why the Palestinians want it.

Think of the land as a car. It used to be a piece of sh-t car. Then, the Israeli's bought it, fixed it up. Now, the previous owner (who's car was essentially impounded by [britain]) wants the car back, now that it's all nice and spiffy.

And you think the Arab nations give a damn about Palestinians? In the Arab world, Palestinians are the maids and trash collectors. Why should the Israelis care if their own brother Muslims don't?

The arab nations don't care about the Palestinians, but the LAND THEY LIVED ON IS NOW ISRAELI LAND, guess, just one time you ****ing moron why the Israelis should care!

You are so ****ing pathetic, just another arab hater, why live in peace when you can hate?

[NuggzTheNinja]

The arab nations don't care about the Palestinians, but the LAND THEY LIVED ON IS NOW ISRAELI LAND, guess, just one time you ****ing moron why the Israelis should care!

You are so ****ing pathetic, just another arab hater, why live in peace when you can hate?

LOL ok buddy.

I'm an arab hater.

[eyeofthetiger]

Maybe if the Arab nations didn't treat the Jews like ****, they wouldn't have fled those countries, and immigrated to Israel.

Maybe if the Arab nations didn't attack Israel in the first place, it wouldn't be the size it is today.

Ever heard of morrocan Jews? They owe heir existance to muslims, they fled muslim spain after the crusaders invaded it, the muslims took them in and gave them a home and helped them.