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    SMOLOV jr. For Deadlifts?

    OKay, so I looked at other routines, but I could not understand COAN and PHILIPPI at all, and I have had success with it so far for squats...

    But I see most people deadlifting in lower rep ranges (except that one crasy guy who did 20 reps with 500 pounds, I forget his name) anyway:

    Mon - 6x6x70%
    Wed - 7x5x75%
    Fri - 8x4x80%
    Sat - 10x3x85%
    Week 2
    Mon - 6x6x70%+10-20 lbs (bigger increase for bigger lift like squats)
    Wed - 7x5x75%+10-20 lbs
    Fri - 8x4x80%+10-20 lbs
    Sat - 10x3x85%+10-20 lbs
    Week 3
    Mon - 6x6x70%+15-25 lbs
    Wed - 7x5x75%+15-25 lbs
    Fri - 8x4x80%+15-25 lbs
    Sat - 10x3x85%+15-25 lbs

    What do you think?

    Or can you recommend another routine?

    Or make sense of Coan and Phillippi?
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    i don't think you can train that intensely and that frequently with deadlifts - it'll probably kill your lower back.
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    Originally Posted by FROGGBUSTER View Post
    i don't think you can train that intensely and that frequently with deadlifts - it'll probably kill your lower back.
    Yeah that's what I was afraid of...
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    what couldn't you understand about coan phillipi?
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    Originally Posted by shffl View Post
    what couldn't you understand about coan phillipi?
    x2

    http://tsampa.org/training/scripts/c...lipi_deadlift/

    A good page, type in your current and desired max and it tells you exactly what exercises/weight/sets/reps to do.
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    Originally Posted by shffl View Post
    what couldn't you understand about coan phillipi?
    Originally Posted by Mike Zero View Post
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    http://tsampa.org/training/scripts/c...lipi_deadlift/

    A good page, type in your current and desired max and it tells you exactly what exercises/weight/sets/reps to do.
    What I don't understand is that it bases the percentages on my desired max. And for example, if my desired max is, say 300 pounds and my actual max is ~150 it tells me to rep like 225, which would be impossible if my max was 150...See what I mean?
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    Your setting your max way too high is the issue.

    Also if your max is 150 in any of the big 3 you have no business doing a cycle such as that. Just keep increasing the weight week to week, focus on the basics and you'll make far faster progress.

    After doing a number of such cycles (smolov, Korte, Sheiko) I have come to the conclusion that they are best left to the advanced lifters... lifters with AT LEAST class 1 status or greater. Prior to that just doing squats, benches and deadlifts using linear progression is far faster progress.
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    Originally Posted by olympic View Post
    Your setting your max way too high is the issue.

    Also if your max is 150 in any of the big 3 you have no business doing a cycle such as that. Just keep increasing the weight week to week, focus on the basics and you'll make far faster progress.

    After doing a number of such cycles (smolov, Korte, Sheiko) I have come to the conclusion that they are best left to the advanced lifters... lifters with AT LEAST class 1 status or greater. Prior to that just doing squats, benches and deadlifts using linear progression is far faster progress.
    NO no my max isn't that low I just picked that number because it's easy to work with. At the same time, I doubt I am anywhere near class one. So...


    Maybe I'll do the deadlift portion of 5x5. Sound good?
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    Originally Posted by Sultan_of_Spin View Post
    NO no my max isn't that low I just picked that number because it's easy to work with. At the same time, I doubt I am anywhere near class one. So...


    Maybe I'll do the deadlift portion of 5x5. Sound good?
    Yeah that sounds much better.
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    Originally Posted by olympic View Post
    Yeah that sounds much better.
    Hell I might was well do the entire 5x5, it sounds good. THanks for your help.
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    Originally Posted by Sultan_of_Spin View Post
    What I don't understand is that it bases the percentages on my desired max. And for example, if my desired max is, say 300 pounds and my actual max is ~150 it tells me to rep like 225, which would be impossible if my max was 150...See what I mean?
    well the entire thing is like .. 10-12 weeks? you want to input your desire max to be something more realistic. most ppl that used it fine that a 40 - 50lb increase works well.
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