Too many vitamins?

[constructionman]

I am cutting but it seems kind of slow.
I just wanted to post a list of vitamins for you guys to check out and tell me if any off them will slow down my wieght loss or is a bad mixture.
here goes

cod liver pills - i take 6 a day
flax seed oil - i take 6 a day 1000mg easc
vitamin c - i take 1 a day 250mg each
cla(conjugated linoleic acid) - i take 3 a day 600mg each
st johns wort - i take 6 a day 250mg each
same 200 - take 2 a day 200mg each
coq10 - take 1 day - 60mg each
multivitamin -take 1 day
l carnitine - take 6 a day 250mg each
green tea extract - 6 a day 200mg each

[Mr10pounder]

u put 38 pills in your mouth a day :O

[constructionman]

yup,but i am getting liquid flax oil and fish oil so it will cut down on some

[Actual Size]

yup,but i am getting liquid flax oil and fish oil so it will cut down on some

Good Idea.

[F W Nietszche]

Right now I am taking:

9 fatburner
4 vit. C
1 mult v
8 NO2

FUN

[PowerSwede]

I am cutting but it seems kind of slow.
I just wanted to post a list of vitamins for you guys to check out and tell me if any off them will slow down my wieght loss or is a bad mixture.
here goes

cod liver pills - i take 6 a day
flax seed oil - i take 6 a day 1000mg easc
vitamin c - i take 1 a day 250mg each
cla(conjugated linoleic acid) - i take 3 a day 600mg each
st johns wort - i take 6 a day 250mg each
same 200 - take 2 a day 200mg each
coq10 - take 1 day - 60mg each
multivitamin -take 1 day
l carnitine - take 6 a day 250mg each
green tea extract - 6 a day 200mg each

Skip the Cod liver pills, skip the flax seed oil (replace it with fish oil), skip the cla, skip the q10, is the st johns wort working? Replace l-carnitine with ALC, add NAC and up the vitamin c intake to 3-6000mg a day.

My "stack" is real simple and basic, i take vitamin c, 6x1000mg, one with every meal, NAC, 3x200 morning, after workout and before bed, multivitamin x1, i recently added ALC and it has had some positive effects so it's a keeper for me during the cutting anywayz.

I could add fish oil or flax oil to that but i eat a lot of fish so i don't really need that.

[BringnIt]

What do you have against Q10?

[PowerSwede]

What do you have against Q10?

Well, apart from it being a waste of time and money, nothing.

[BringnIt]

Ahhh, you're talking about for everything or for its supposed effects on ATP or its antioxidant properties or what...? It's not necessary for healthy people but it is an antioxidant and it is very useful for people with heart diseases...

[PowerSwede]

Ahhh, you're talking about for everything or for its supposed effects on ATP or its antioxidant properties or what...? It's not necessary for healthy people but it is an antioxidant and it is very useful for people with heart diseases...

There are many "may" and "might" with Q10, just as there are with a lot of supplements that are useless and with supplements that are good, the difference between the worthless and the usefule is that the useful actually HAVE a proven effect from supplementation in healthy human beings while the worthless have a proven effect in some special cases where diseases or injuries are involved, or when the test subjects had very restricted diets or changed something else.

Q10 are among those supplements that i consider worthless for a healthy human being, supplementation does absolutely nothing, if you don't get enough through your diet (and you do, it's in meat, dairy, seafood, fruit, vegetables....) your body will make it.

When it comes to muscle building... There are studies that have shown that Q10 increases muscle damage through increased free radical release (1,2), normally that is great since muscle damage leads to growth (both hypertrophy and hyperplasia through splitting fibers) but in this case the free radicals will break down more tissue than what your body will repair.

There would have been a LOT more studies to show the same result from Q10 (both the natural form, ubiquinon and the synthetic form idebenone) supplementation but unfortunantly none of them measured muscle breakdown.

1. Acta Physiol Scand:157:511-512 (1996)Malm C et al
2. Ann Neurol. 1998 Mar; 43(3): 397-400. Arenas J, et al

[BringnIt]

Ahhhh, damn it, I've been taking it for like a month due to me being able to get it VERY cheap. I was mostly just using it because everything I've read says it's an antioxidant. Do you have any studies on why Q10 would INCREASE free radical production?

[hyndu113]

Skip the Cod liver pills, skip the flax seed oil (replace it with fish oil), skip the cla, skip the q10, is the st johns wort working? Replace l-carnitine with ALC, add NAC and up the vitamin c intake to 3-6000mg a day.

My "stack" is real simple and basic, i take vitamin c, 6x1000mg, one with every meal, NAC, 3x200 morning, after workout and before bed, multivitamin x1, i recently added ALC and it has had some positive effects so it's a keeper for me during the cutting anywayz.

I could add fish oil or flax oil to that but i eat a lot of fish so i don't really need that.

Keep taking the CLA bro, It helps reduce body fat. I take 3 x 1000mg per day. Also, you can get a total EFA that will combine the cod liver and flax seed and give you some more fatty acids. St Johns is going to do nothing for weight loss. It helps with mood balance if I'm not mistaken. You might want to cut down on your Vit C also... 6 grams a day??? Theres no way your body can use all that, I wouldn't go over 1500-2000mg max. Also, eating a lot of fish isn't going to replace fish oils unless you eat about 6 different kinds of fish everyday.

[PowerSwede]

Keep taking the CLA bro, It helps reduce body fat. I take 3 x 1000mg per day. Also, you can get a total EFA that will combine the cod liver and flax seed and give you some more fatty acids. St Johns is going to do nothing for weight loss. It helps with mood balance if I'm not mistaken. You might want to cut down on your Vit C also... 6 grams a day??? Theres no way your body can use all that, I wouldn't go over 1500-2000mg max. Also, eating a lot of fish isn't going to replace fish oils unless you eat about 6 different kinds of fish everyday.

CLA is great, for obese people with the metabolic syndrome and rats, for others it's a waste of time and money at low dosages and harmful at high dosages (16g+).

Why would i want to cut down on my vitamin c intake? It's very cheap and it helps me recover, on the whole, i would remove pretty much every supplement before i removed my 6g of vitamin c, it's no quick fix for anything but it helps in the long run.

When it comes to fish fats, what you want is the EFA's, you don't need six kinds of fish to get EFA's, one kind is quite enough and ALL fat fish contain both EFA's, so PLEASE explain to me why i would need to eat six kinds of fish to get enouch of them.

[BringnIt]

I'll also say that studies have shown St. John's Wort to be effective for weight loss when stacked with certain other substances.

[PowerSwede]

I'll also say that studies have shown St. John's Wort to be effective for weight loss when stacked with certain other substances.

References?

[BringnIt]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

The study references there appears to be the most prominant done. I wouldn't consider it conclusive by any means, but since St. John's Wort is so cheap, it could be a viable option for anyone willing to experiment.

[PowerSwede]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

The study references there appears to be the most prominant done. I wouldn't consider it conclusive by any means, but since St. John's Wort is so cheap, it could be a viable option for anyone willing to experiment.

Thanks for the link, this study shows that a beta agonist (citrus aurantium), caffeine and st johns wort helps burn more fat, i really REALLY doubt that st johns worth would have any effect on it's own though (much like aspirin or white willow bark won't have any (significant) effect on weight loss but helps enhance the effects of an EC stack).

I don't know enough on st johns worth to comment any further on that but if it could replace aspirin in either stack it's interesting.

[BringnIt]

I said when stacked with other substances, lol. But, yes, I agree, it's hardly definitive but it's cheap and it might be worthwhile to try in a stack with synephrine, etc. It's the science behind Ripped Fuel, I believe.