the "smartest" weight class (noob possibly stupid question)

**samsuperjew5** · 01-19-2009, 08:26 PM

I was talking to a pler (irl) about my openers etc for my meet and stuff, and he sorta got me thinking when he was saying that in the 165 class, (older divisions mostly [not mine]) there would be alot of people who look normal, and are gonna be strong as ****

Why 165? is that like for the average (5'8'-5'10) place to be to have a good ratio of muscle mass to amount of muscle you are able to recruit? ( i know this sounds sorta stupid, and i cant really phrase it right, but bear with me)

**qwark1** · 01-19-2009, 08:46 PM

i would say 181.

**D1-FS-19** · 01-19-2009, 08:50 PM

I would have to say that the 181s and the 198s are toughest weight classes.

**ShutUpAndSquat** · 01-19-2009, 08:59 PM

The "pound for pound" strongest people are usually in the 181s and 198s

**Reps n Sets** · 01-19-2009, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by D1-FS-19

I would have to say that the 181s and the 198s are toughest weight classes.

165 isn't a cake walk they have the best relative strength. A 165'er owns the highest total to bodyweight ratio.

1. 2171.6 (985.0) *13.13X Oleksandr Kutcher (Ukraine/80) 3/3/06 (375.0+250.0+360.0=985.0 kg. @ 75.0 kg. Heaviest 13X bodyweight male total of all time.) (Columbus, Ohio) (WPO)

http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/records/165-men

**skinnycalves** · 01-19-2009, 09:03 PM

im pretty sure at some big comps, 165s had higher totals than some 181s and 198s, i think it happened at the arnold one year

i also believe something similar happened at usapl collegiate nationals

**Lifeman89** · 01-19-2009, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by skinnycalves

im pretty sure at some big comps, 165s had higher totals than some 181s and 198s, i think it happened at the arnold one year

i also believe something similar happened at usapl collegiate nationals

truth... the 165 total at usapl collegiate nationals last year i believe beat not only 181 and 198 but 220 also... 165 is a very tough weight class... but ssj... there is no reason to worry about weight class at this point in ur competing... not to belittle your competing but right now is more of a feeling it out stage... also at ur height of 5foot 7 u should weigh about... 242 (srs) but that is all very far a ahead of you!

**Lifeman89** · 01-19-2009, 09:51 PM

right now just do the class that is most natural... so 165... no need to cut or bulk!

**skinnycalves** · 01-19-2009, 09:56 PM

i wanted to say the 220s but wasnt sure, so i bit my tongue before i said something totally ridiculous sounding

**matthewluke60** · 01-19-2009, 10:04 PM

I would say QUIT WORRYING ABOUT IT, GET IN THERE AND DO IT ALREADY!!!

**Lifeman89** · 01-19-2009, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by skinnycalves

i wanted to say the 220s but wasnt sure, so i bit my tongue before i said something totally ridiculous sounding

lol

**spooq** · 01-20-2009, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by Lifeman89

also at ur height of 5foot 7 u should weigh about... 242 (srs)

That is too heavy IMO, I would expect someone around my height to be at that kind of weight if they were competing.

**skinnycalves** · 01-20-2009, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by spooq

That is too heavy IMO, I would expect someone around my height to be at that kind of weight if they were competing.

ed coan is 5'7" and he was 220-242 jus sayin, if you had 10 pounds per inch over that, you should be 290 to 312

scott yard is 5'8" 260, this is all if you want to be a top tier powerlifter

**Lifeman89** · 01-20-2009, 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by spooq

That is too heavy IMO, I would expect someone around my height to be at that kind of weight if they were competing.

lol... um no... in order to be a top powerlifter that is the right weight... and at ur height of 6' 2" you should be 310 minimum... unless u were the most solid 307.9 ever.

**Debesq** · 01-20-2009, 07:04 AM

165-198 are usually the toughest weight classes because that is where most of the lifters are. Go to a gym, and you'll see WAY MORE people who way between 150-200 lbs than 100-150, 200-250, 250-300. That's just the top of the bell curve when it comes to weight.

**spooq** · 01-20-2009, 07:34 AM

I guess I need to eat more then

I based my comment on a top-level PL who is approx my height in the 110kg/242lbs class.

**isaku900** · 01-20-2009, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by spooq

I guess I need to eat more then

I based my comment on a top-level PL who is approx my height in the 110kg/242lbs class.

there are of course exceptions to everything...but generally as you get taller you want more weight.

my "natural" weight is somewhere around 225-235, but I'm 6' so I made a decision to fill out in order to lift more.

**spooq** · 01-20-2009, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by isaku900

there are of course exceptions to everything...but generally as you get taller you want more weight.

my "natural" weight is somewhere around 225-235, but I'm 6' so I made a decision to fill out in order to lift more.

Ok screw it, I was going to drop down to 90kg this year and now you have all convinced me I'm malnourished at 100kg. My new official goal is 110kg!

**isaku900** · 01-20-2009, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by spooq

Ok screw it, I was going to drop down to 90kg this year and now you have all convinced me I'm malnourished at 100kg. My new official goal is 110kg!

hahah.

why not 125?

**Lifeman89** · 01-20-2009, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by isaku900

hahah.

why not 125?

125 fo sho...

**ShutUpAndSquat** · 01-20-2009, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by isaku900

there are of course exceptions to everything...but generally as you get taller you want more weight.

my "natural" weight is somewhere around 225-235, but I'm 6' so I made a decision to fill out in order to lift more.

If I remember correctly, you put on your weight relatively fast. I'm in the process of doing the same thing right now...so I have to ask, was it worth it? Did you gain a ****-ton of strength solely from the weight gain? Would you ever shed your extra BF be able to compete at 242?

I want the l33t strength, but I kinda want to be around 13-14% BF too

**spooq** · 01-20-2009, 07:56 AM

I don't think I could put 25kg of quality muscle on in a year if my life depended on it.

**spooq** · 01-20-2009, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by ShutUpAndSquat

If I remember correctly, you put on your weight relatively fast. I'm in the process of doing the same thing right now...so I have to ask, was it worth it? Did you gain a ****-ton of strength solely from the weight gain? Would you ever shed your extra BF be able to compete at 242?

I want the l33t strength, but I kinda want to be around 13-14% BF too

Answers plz

**isaku900** · 01-20-2009, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by ShutUpAndSquat

If I remember correctly, you put on your weight relatively fast. I'm in the process of doing the same thing right now...so I have to ask, was it worth it? Did you gain a ****-ton of strength solely from the weight gain? Would you ever shed your extra BF be able to compete at 242?

I want the l33t strength, but I kinda want to be around 13-14% BF too

yeah...well i had let my weight come up slowly from 235 to about 255-260 over the course of about 6 months, that wasn't so hard.

But in August 08 I decided to move up to 275s, and weighed in at 273lbs for the October 25th ST Push/Pull.

I got huuuuge gains out of it, but yeah I'm pretty fat right now, I kinda want to lean out drop my BF% a few points y'know, but i don't want to sacrifice size or strength to it b/c it'll affect how my gear fits, and I don't see a time this year where I can drop a bit and resize my gear cause I need to train in it for competitions.

I don't think I'm ever gonna drop down again for competition purposes, in fact I'm thinking of moving up to 308s...but probably not.

**DJSTARER** · 01-20-2009, 08:19 AM

the "normal classes." These are the classes which cover the largest portion of the population.

165s-220s

165s and 181s IMO, most competitive in the IPF

**Grunts67** · 01-20-2009, 09:17 AM

In the same line of question than the OP, I am 208 LBS and 5'8'' and have a really heavy bone density (that why i am so heavy for my height). I have have a BF of 15-18% (approximately). Normally people think I am 170-180 LBS max.

Which class in PL should I aim for ?

I seem to be a little screw because of my weights right now, I don't plan to compete in the near futur but any advice will be great.

**DJSTARER** · 01-20-2009, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Grunts67

In the same line of question than the OP, I am 208 LBS and 5'8'' and have a really heavy bone density (that why i am so heavy for my height). I have have a BF of 15-18% (approximately). Normally people think I am 170-180 LBS max.

Which class in PL should I aim for ?

I seem to be a little screw because of my weights right now, I don't plan to compete in the near futur but any advice will be great.

well, you're also a bit fat. Don't complain about bone density until your 10-12% bf. I can understand having 15-18% BF at a heavier total BW, but having 18% BF at 208lbs (with dense bones, so actually you're lighter in muscle) gives you a very low amount of lean mass/bf ratio. You have about 170lbs of lean mass. Get than number up, and get your BF down, then re-post.

**Grunts67** · 01-20-2009, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by DJSTARER

well, you're also a bit fat. Don't complain about bone density until your 10-12% bf. I can understand having 15-18% BF at a heavier total BW, but having 18% BF at 208lbs (with dense bones, so actually you're lighter in muscle) gives you a very low amount of lean mass/bf ratio. You have about 170lbs of lean mass. Get than number up, and get your BF down, then re-post.

Seem like a fair answer. As for my BF, I never really calculate it but I will try to get it down a bit, it should help that for sure. Thanks for the honest answer.

**rugby121** · 01-20-2009, 11:38 AM

brb bulking to 300 to lose the competition.

**DJSTARER** · 01-20-2009, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Grunts67

Seem like a fair answer. As for my BF, I never really calculate it but I will try to get it down a bit, it should help that for sure. Thanks for the honest answer.

not many people here take advice well. It's nothing personal. Just get the diet in check, get a sled, and keeping training hard.

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