X-factor stacked w/ph's???

[sbbm3]

I was thinking.....since x-factor breaks down muscles more when you work out, stacking it with a ph might produce some damn extreme good gains, Because of a higher rate of muscle breakdown, as well as recovery.

I dont want to do a ph cycle just yet, so this month I am going to use x-factor and **** H.O.T. because that looks like a pretty legit nat. test. booster.
Does anyone have any thaughts on this???

[Tim_G]

X Factor breaks down muscle? Why would you take it then?

[sbbm3]

I dont know if thats exactly what it does, but thats what I got from the description. It makes you more sore after workouts. and when you workout you are breaking down your muscles so they can then grow back stronger.

[Lok7y]

Androgens accelerate "muscle breakdown" too. Combined with accelerating tissue-turnover in hypertrophied, this is a large component of their overall anabolic effect.

I think it would be good.

[Tim_G]

Maybe it facilitates the release of the enzyme/hormone that is responsible for muscle soreness? The theory is your muscles become less sore following a workout over time, so maybe X Factor helps release more of the enzyme responsible for the inflammation? I skimmed over an article or ad about this enzyme/hormone and didn't read into it in detail, now I wish I had.

[Tim_G]

Would someone validate or debunk this, with facts? ^

[Actual Size]

Proabaly going to have to find the guy who made the product. I cant remember his name though I know he is a member here though.

[sbbm3]

Tim G- I think your right on there. I remember reading that somewhere....I could have sworn it was in the product description, but I just checked and it doesnt have that.....or at least I couldnt find that part.
Ill keep looking though....

[pu12en12g]

Androgens accelerate "muscle breakdown" too. Combined with accelerating tissue-turnover in hypertrophied, this is a large component of their overall anabolic effect.

I think it would be good.

Great posting as always...

[Lok7y]

I totally ommitted a second "tissue" from sentence #2, but thanks.

Maybe it facilitates the release of the enzyme/hormone that is responsible for muscle soreness? The theory is your muscles become less sore following a workout over time, so maybe X Factor helps release more of the enzyme responsible for the inflammation? I skimmed over an article or ad about this enzyme/hormone and didn't read into it in detail, now I wish I had.

This is the essential gist in regards to hypertrophy/anabolism (I'm leaving some less relevent things out, because AA gets really complicated in the human body):

arachidonic acid is the primary precursor to the prostaglandins PGE2 and PGF2a. Beyond that however, arachidonic acid can also build and wane in one's phospholipid membrane (the phospholipid layer of a cell). Okay, so your muscle cells store AA, some of which is then released in response the the mechanic stretch/tension stimulus you prompt upon them when you strength train.

locally, this released AA is metabolized into the two prostaglandins I already mentioned. The resulting local inflammation/cytokine/prostaglandin response to strength training is a critical part in your body's adaptive response (re: protein synthesis, to build up hypertrophied muscle). There is also mTor, ion transport (which AA also affects by decreasing total gating charges and altering fast-inactivation kinetics), cell-swelling (AA is also implicated here), and 2nd messenger-signals (ditto).


For me though the really intriguing part about arachidonic acid supplementation is what type of tissue PGF2a catabolizes for substrate. You can probably guess at it from a few of my other posts, but it's damn-cool all the same...