Bill Phillips

**arlowf** · 03-26-2005, 10:43 AM

Could i get some thoughts please on why Bill Phillips is hated so much on the boards? I really thought his body for life book was pretty solid, and his (used to be atleast) company EAS has some good products, namely their whey protein and RTD's. So why is it that he is slammed on this board and mindandmuscle.net all the time?

**arlowf** · 03-26-2005, 10:25 PM

While the board has tons of users on it...

**BringnIt** · 03-26-2005, 11:13 PM

I can't speak for anyone else but I'm his illegitimate son and he won't own up to it.

**arlowf** · 03-26-2005, 11:19 PM

Damn, your funny ( no sarcasm). Every thread I've made recently has had a funny comment from you at some point, and I appreciate it.
But, I really would like to have some idea, any idea. I can't figure out what everyone has against this guy...

**BringnIt** · 03-26-2005, 11:25 PM

I think it's likely because EAS products are a little behind-the-times, a little vanilla. And because people love to hate. That's just speculation, I don't hate the man so I couldn't really say.

**Scott LaPierre** · 03-26-2005, 11:59 PM

i read the boards pretty regularly, and i haven't seen people talking poorly about him. why do you think that's the case? most information i've seen about body-for-life/eas has been positive. granted, i'm a little...okay, maybe a lot biased

but i still haven't seen anything like that.

**zxcager** · 03-27-2005, 01:07 AM

I think most of what people preach here are based on his bod for life book.

The thing that most people here don't like would be his shameless advocacy of Myoplex I guess. Haha

**RippedUp** · 03-27-2005, 05:55 AM

Bill Phillips has sold EAS a few years ago. He has nothing to do with it anymore.

**gfletch** · 03-27-2005, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by RippedUp

Bill Phillips has sold EAS a few years ago. He has nothing to do with it anymore.

Bill Phillips is still associated with them. EAS makes his Body For Life supps
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/eas/body.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/eas/bodyrtd.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/eas/bodylean.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/eas/bodywomen.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/eas/bodymuscle.html

**Johnabis** · 03-27-2005, 06:29 AM

EAS used to be a good company many years ago. every product they had was legit (except for maybe hmb) and I think they were the first to introduce creatine. They called in phosfgan or something like that. Now ever since bill phillips steped down as CEO they went down the drain, offering products that dont do anything such as methoxy.

**NonCon** · 03-27-2005, 07:12 AM

Most people on this board haven't been at it long enough to remember.

Bill Phillips used to own Muscle Media 2000 which was a groundbreaking magazine for the time. It changed everything. It was the first muscle mag to talk about drugs and tell the truth about pro bodybuilding. He introduced the world to Dan Duchaine. He spoke to the hardcore bodybuilder. He was the first to market creatine. He was an innovator. Then, at the height of it's popularity, Phillips did a 180 and went completely mainstream. He "sold out." Muscle Media turned in a "Men's Health" type magazine. He started touting bogus supplements. He betrayed his audience.

On top of it all, he had a monumental ego. He flaunted his success and people hated him for it. Nevertheless. he is a millionaire many times over -- perhaps a billionaire -- in an industry where only a handful of people made money prior to the internet explosion. And he did it all before the age of 40.

**libremag** · 03-27-2005, 07:59 AM

I began reading Bill Phillips' writings in 1990. He published a couple of newsletters before starting Muscle Media 2000 in March 1992. Phillips always had his detractors, but the real flush started when his over-promoted HMB product flopped. Then, in July 1997, Phillips switched his magazine format from hardcore to mainstream. He also began hyping the EAS B-F-L contests. It was all downhill after that. Too slick, I guess. The hardcore crowd said he sold out.

Here's a link to an indepth article about Bill Phillips. I can't believe he's 40 now.
http://outside.away.com/outside/feat..._mr_big_1.html

**Phelan** · 03-27-2005, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by NonCon

Most people on this board haven't been at it long enough to remember.

Bill Phillips used to own Muscle Media 2000 which was a groundbreaking magazine for the time. It changed everything. It was the first muscle mag to talk about drugs and tell the truth about pro bodybuilding. He introduced the world to Dan Duchaine. He spoke to the hardcore bodybuilder. He was the first to market creatine. He was an innovator. Then, at the height of it's popularity, Phillips did a 180 and went completely mainstream. He "sold out." Muscle Media turned in a "Men's Health" type magazine. He started touting bogus supplements. He betrayed his audience.

On top of it all, he had a monumental ego. He flaunted his success and people hated him for it. Nevertheless. he is a millionaire many times over -- perhaps a billionaire -- in an industry where only a handful of people made money prior to the internet explosion. And he did it all before the age of 40.

I'd check the Forbes list, but I'm pretty sure he isn't anywhere close to a billion.

**bigcalves** · 03-27-2005, 08:39 AM

No one hates him, but he sold out.
Shows that he was in it for the money and not for the love of the sports.
When the going got tough, Bill took his things somewhere else...
Thats why he's not liked.

**arlowf** · 03-27-2005, 09:36 AM

I understand now, but I have to admit, he's still my favorite bodybuilder, because he's the one that got me started. I just didn't listen to him...

**Scott LaPierre** · 03-27-2005, 04:09 PM

Some of you guys are talking trash about Bill Phillips, and even calling him greedy, but that's not right.

He never even collected any of the proceeds from the Body-for-Life book; all the proceeds went to the Make-a-Wish Foundation.
When the movie Body of Work came out, he gave the movie away free and each movie had a note asking for $15 to be donated to the Make-a-Wish Foundation.
He's raised millions for charity.
You might say that he profited from the book and movie anyway, since they both increased the sales of EAS products, but like some of you already know, he sold most of the company. He does have some stake in EAS still, but the fact is that Bill Phillips is a great humanitarian.
Aside from the money he's raised for charity, he's helped millions of people change their lives through fitness.
Most of you like Arnold for the contribution he made to the world of bodybuilding, but keep in mind that Bill Phillips has done the same. He brought fitness into the mainstream more than anyone. He showed people that it's not just a freakshow, but a healthy way of living.

It's sad how people are always so much quicker to break people down than build them up.

**j_neatherlin** · 03-27-2005, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Scott LaPierre

It's sad how people are always so much quicker to break people down than build them up.

you mean kind of like how Bill used to always bash steroid users and professional bodybuilders in his magazine...calling them losers all the time.

Although I don't have any particular love for gearheads...back in '97 or whenever it was that I actually used to read his magazine...I always disliked how negative he was in his little editorials or whatever. I thought it was just lame for him to always bash users. Maybe he didn't agree with it...maybe he didn't support it, but to always talk **** about them was uncalled for, disrespectful, and just lame. Especially considering he was, at one point, a user himself. He's no one special...he has no right to judge others.

**Ghosting** · 03-27-2005, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by arlowf

Could i get some thoughts please on why Bill Phillips is hated so much on the boards? I really thought his body for life book was pretty solid, and his (used to be atleast) company EAS has some good products, namely their whey protein and RTD's. So why is it that he is slammed on this board and mindandmuscle.net all the time?

Why? Are you thinking about becoming romantically involved with Bill?

**Man, I_m Big** · 03-27-2005, 04:47 PM

There are certainly alot of haters out there, most of the people that rag on him are just sour that they weren't there to snag 10 million bucks with their own company and bible.

**Determinator** · 03-28-2005, 05:14 AM

I hope you all don't mind. But I'm mad as hell.
This may not be the best way to start a new relationship but here goes.

Bill Phillips and Body-for-Life didn't save my life it just gave me a life to live.
It invoked in me a desire to carry on and move forward. It opened doors for me that I could have never dreamed could have been opened. At a point in my life when my hopes and dreams were fading it gave me hope, and the tools I needed to move forward.

When I was told that I was losing my sight and there was nothing that could be done to stop it. My world crashed. My ability to provide for my family would fade with my sight and there was nothing I could do to stop it.

Bill and BFL changed all that.

When I woke up this morning I could not see as well as I could yesterday and tomorrow I won't see as well as today. But That doesn't matter because I've learned that there is so much more to life than seeing. I owe this to Bill Phillips and BFL.

I am not alone in this. Millions of others have had their lives changed positivelly as a result of BFL.

Consider this the next time you want to bash BP or BFL. Envy can take many shapes and forms but it is always GREEN.

Guess I calmed down a little, you're lucky, there's nothing worse than a blind man in heat. Use your brain or you'll need your feet.LOL

Walk Crawl Run, But Getit Done

**Patrick Arnold** · 03-28-2005, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by BringnIt

I think it's likely because EAS products are a little behind-the-times, a little vanilla. And because people love to hate. That's just speculation, I don't hate the man so I couldn't really say.

Bill Phillps has had nothing to do with EAS for about 5 years

and nobody ever talks about phillips anymore, since he has been out of the industry for so long

so this guys post makes no sense

**Big_Spaz** · 03-28-2005, 08:38 AM

I used to read his Supplement Guide like it was the bible back in the mid-late 90's. I love EAS. But like Pat said, he's been out of it so long now there is no need to bash the guy. I think he owns stake in the Colorado Rockies, but I may be wrong about that.

-Spaz

**Peter LeDrew** · 04-02-2005, 03:33 PM

I'm sure Bill Phillips has helped thousands achieve better health and a better body... he's optimistic, successfell & famous, dates hot ladies and is in awesome shape. Of course people dislike him because of this. Just like when we as bodybuilders bust our butts to get in great shape and we then have our haters. It's called jealousy.
I used to follow Bill and muscle media in the day and there was a lot of good material to learn from and he did a pretty good job and many others have tried to follow in his footsteps with body for life etc... Sometimes he seemed a little too cocky or arrogant, but that was usually when I got jealous myself, seeing him making insane cash & having hot babes. It's normal.
At least he seemed to help out others in the process.
I have heard stories that behind the scenes he treated his employees like crap, but who knows if that is really the truth.

**Boozy** · 04-10-2005, 06:37 PM

When I see all the lame newbie posts on this board I wish they would just pick up Bill's book. It is the perfect beginner book. I read it cover to cover (it's actually pretty short) and I could only find a couple little things I didn't agree with. He puts a LOT of good information in a very neat little package that beginners can understand and actually do. I don't know anything about his politics or history, I have just read his book and I am very impressed.

**bpi** · 04-10-2005, 06:56 PM

[QUOTE=NonCon]Most people on this board haven't been at it long enough to remember.

Bill Phillips used to own Muscle Media 2000 which was a groundbreaking magazine for the time. It changed everything. It was the first muscle mag to talk about drugs and tell the truth about pro bodybuilding. He introduced the world to Dan Duchaine. He spoke to the hardcore bodybuilder. He was the first to market creatine. He was an innovator. Then, at the height of it's popularity, Phillips did a 180 and went completely mainstream. He "sold out." Muscle Media turned in a "Men's Health" type magazine. He started touting bogus supplements. He betrayed his audience.

He basically created the model that T-mag followed. See how well they are thought of by their original reader base.

**Patrick Arnold** · 04-11-2005, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Peter LeDrew

I'm sure Bill Phillips has helped thousands achieve better health and a better body... he's optimistic, successfell & famous, dates hot ladies and is in awesome shape.

does bill really prefer girls? honestly, its not a knock at him but i am pretty sure thats not exactly true. He lived in Hawaii for a while with Kal Yee (his former artistic design guy) and i have seen him make out with another man personally at an industry party

don't get me wrong, i am not hating or judging

**Patrick Arnold** · 04-11-2005, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Peter LeDrew

I'm sure Bill Phillips has helped thousands achieve better health and a better body... he's optimistic, successfell & famous, dates hot ladies and is in awesome shape. .

sounds just like ME!!!

except for the part about being an optimist.................

**8man2k** · 04-11-2005, 08:54 AM

"It feels like Deca!"

That was Bill's BS statement about HMB that pretty much signaled the begining of the end for him in the minds of the hardcore set.

**8man2k** · 04-11-2005, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

does bill really prefer girls? honestly, its not a knock at him but i am pretty sure thats not exactly true. He lived in Hawaii for a while with Kal Yee (his former artistic design guy) and i have seen him make out with another man personally at an industry party

don't get me wrong, i am not hating or judging

Pat,

That's pretty intersting. What even more interesting is that the girl he used to parade around with in his magazines was Amy Cusack...she was just on the Survivor TV Show and outed herself as a lesbian.

Maybe they turned each other?

**Peter LeDrew** · 04-13-2005, 08:43 AM

Lol,

Good to see everyones sense of humour here.

I always thought of Bill as a womanizer... always seeing him parading around with playboy bunnies and the like in the mags.
Maybe he's bi or maybe he's just vey comfortable with his sexuality? Lol.

Nothing wrong with gayness in my opinion, but I'm beginning to like the idea that he is... all that built up jealousy is wearing off pretty quick!!

His book Body for Life and Eating for life are both solid books backed by science though.

He did take quite a beating for the HMB deca thing... as seen here, it's still hauting him to this day. Maybe he got a bad batch of deca in the past? haha.

And Patrick,

I always knew you were all those things and more, but be honest, you're not really in awesome shape are you... lol.
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/images/pat-arnold.jpg

Pete

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