Let's be honest, how effective are deadlifts from a bodybuilding perspective?

[BOLT.]

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Obviously building a base on deadlifts at the beginning can be helpful. But during the intermediate stage and after, what can deadlifts really help you with other than in circumstances where you specifically want to target the hamstrings and glutes? It seems those are targetted ENOUGH with squats and such. So maybe for a bodybuilder split leg day what is important is a squat variation, unilateral quad variation, maybe a machine of any kind, and a calf exercise.

What do yall think?

[knowles.ja]

+ back thickness

[AJ010]

What would you do for your lower back and erector spinae to REALLY build mass then?

[3speed]

+ back thickness

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Look at the great deadlifters...back thickness/density that you cannot get from anything else.

[BOLT.]

What would you do for your lower back and erector spinae to REALLY build mass then?

I understand doing them for lower back and hamstrings, trust me. But I just cant see them as a fundamental bodybuilding exercise like squat or bench press or barbell curl, things that should always be somewhere in a program to develop those muscles to their fullest. While something like deadlifts if done all the time can build maybe too much mass in the glutes and hamstrings, energy that could have been put to adding that mass to the chest and quads.

[sirwazzles]

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Look at the great deadlifters...back thickness/density that you cannot get from anything else.

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Deadlifts have made my back huge. On another note, bent-over rows have made my lats big too.

[sirwazzles]

doing them for lower back and hamstrings

For me deadlifts have never really hit the hamstrings all that much. Don't get me wrong, they do hit them. But nothing like SLDL.

[TheKansan]

I understand doing them for lower back and hamstrings, trust me. But I just cant see them as a fundamental bodybuilding exercise like squat or bench press or barbell curl, things that should always be somewhere in a program to develop those muscles to their fullest. While something like deadlifts if done all the time can build maybe too much mass in the glutes and hamstrings, energy that could have been put to adding that mass to the chest and quads.

I am not a bodybuilder, my interests are more towards powerlifting, but it doesn't take a genius to realize that the deadlift is very useful in bodybuilding, why else would Ronnie, and Cutler both swear by their use?

[APA Lifter]

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[mochi]

[means-2-an-end]

deadlifs are great for core strength legs back shoulders forarms they are the daddy of any routein,hamstrings lower back good mornings imo.

[Newbtime]

jay cutler never deadlifts more then he can bb row and incline bench, he has a lower back with the density of a peach with 0 speration... and imo it is almost 100% because he doesn't deadlift heavy.

[APA Lifter]

and imo

Nobody wants YOUR opinion Oldtime.

GTFO aswell!

[janaki]

I don't think any of the powerlifters will agree with you. Sorry.

Jan

[4estGimp]

This is why you do deads. It's also an example of what a powerlifter looks like when he cuts.

[4estGimp]

... I just cant see them as a fundamental bodybuilding exercise like squat or bench press or barbell curl, things that should always be somewhere in a program to develop those muscles to their fullest. ,....

HOLY HELL

You think more highly of the barbell curl than you do the Deadlift?

[joay]

Deadlifts are brutally hard. Everyone I've ever worked out with has looked for every excuse not to do them. I get that scence here.


When Arnold was asked why he was bigger than the other bodybuilders. He said both Franco (Columbu) and himself started out as powerlifters. It's easy to sculpt your muscles when you have alot of muscle to sculpt.

Read some Ronnie Coleman articles, he implements many powerlifting exercises into his routine including deadlifts. Are you going to argue with a guy like that?

[Newbtime]

Nobody wants YOUR opinion Oldtime.

GTFO aswell!

go fap yourself plz k thnx bie

[shffl]

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Obviously building a base on deadlifts at the beginning can be helpful. But during the intermediate stage and after, what can deadlifts really help you with other than in circumstances where you specifically want to target the hamstrings and glutes? It seems those are targetted ENOUGH with squats and such. So maybe for a bodybuilder split leg day what is important is a squat variation, unilateral quad variation, maybe a machine of any kind, and a calf exercise.

What do yall think?

deadlifts not only target your glutes ahd hamstrings, it hits your back pretty well as well and will help develop a thick back as stated. That's probably where you're misleaded. Deadlift targets the most on lower back/hip than glute/hamstring.

I understand doing them for lower back and hamstrings, trust me. But I just cant see them as a fundamental bodybuilding exercise like squat or bench press or barbell curl, things that should always be somewhere in a program to develop those muscles to their fullest. While something like deadlifts if done all the time can build maybe too much mass in the glutes and hamstrings, energy that could have been put to adding that mass to the chest and quads.

You categorized barbell curl as the same tier as benching and squats?!?!

...

anyway, energy isn't going to build muscle mass. it's what you eat. energy is well, just a form of heat.

why are you so against deadlift anyway? Is it because it's too hard and energy consuming that you can't handle it

jay cutler never deadlifts more then he can bb row and incline bench, he has a lower back with the density of a peach with 0 speration... and imo it is almost 100% because he doesn't deadlift heavy.

jay cutler is also genetically gifted and juiced? I would assume that.

This is why you do deads. It's also an example of what a powerlifter looks like when he cuts.

truly inspirational.

Deadlifts are brutally hard. Everyone I've ever worked out with has looked for every excuse not to do them. I get that scence here.


When Arnold was asked why he was bigger than the other bodybuilders. He said both Franco (Columbu) and himself started out as powerlifters. It's easy to sculpt your muscles when you have alot of muscle to sculpt.

Read some Ronnie Coleman articles, he implements many powerlifting exercises into his routine including deadlifts. Are you going to argue with a guy like that?

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[Newbtime]

jay cutler is also genetically gifted and juiced? I would assume that.

strong reading skills

[n00bi3]

What would you do for your lower back and erector spinae to REALLY build mass then?

heavy rack pulls?

[breathingmurder]

?

Oh, excuse me folks, I thought I was in the powerlifting forum! My bad.

*walks out of thread with puzzled look*

[Tormented]

WTF, deadlifts are not a ham/glute exercise that are going to make your butt too big. They're a back exercise more than anything. And why would it be a bad thing to build up your glutes/hams anyway? Too many idiotic statements here. My head is exploding.

[TheKansan]

Listen BOLT, you are right we should just do leg curls/leg extensions, after all you are the expert at 15 years old.

[breathingmurder]

And why would it be a bad thing to build up your glutes/hams anyway?

Well,,, teh girlies miet not like it!!!!11
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1902131

[means-2-an-end]

Well,,, teh girlies miet not like it!!!!11
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1902131

LOL

[Tormented]

Well,,, teh girlies miet not like it!!!!11
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1902131

Oh my. Well this changes everything. Do you realize what we must do? We must stop doing our butt-bloating deadlifts in favor of more body-neutral exercises like rack pulls! Just pop that bar up until you're past the butt-building point and jack off rack pull rep after rep until you've got a dozen horny hot ass girls itching to get at your little butt self.

[CYLON RAIDER]

I understand doing them for lower back and hamstrings, trust me. But I just cant see them as a fundamental bodybuilding exercise like squat or bench press or barbell curl, things that should always be somewhere in a program to develop those muscles to their fullest. While something like deadlifts if done all the time can build maybe too much mass in the glutes and hamstrings, energy that could have been put to adding that mass to the chest and quads.

Deadlifts ARE the most basic fundamental back exercise with heavy quad involvement as well. Low back, upper back, traps, hips, glutes, biceps, core/abs, forearms to grip the bar and a great substitute in you can't squat.

a fundamental bodybuilding exercise .

This is the POWERLIFTING/STRONGMAN forum not bodybuilding. That's 3 doors up.

[magicman531]

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Obviously building a base on lifts at the beginning can be helpful. But during the intermediate stage and after, what can lifts really help you with other than in circumstances where you specifically want to target the hamstrings and glutes? It seems those are targetted ENOUGH with squats and such. So maybe for a bodybuilder split leg day what is important is a squat variation, unilateral quad variation, maybe a machine of any kind, and a calf exercise.

What do yall think?

Stick to your little curls and chest pumping exercises. And for gods sake... Take off those ridiculous looking sunglasses...

[Mike Zero]

You're 15.