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    Day of Judgement in Islam only possible with a flat earth!

    The Quran claims that the sun rises from the west and that it will be one of the final signs that everyone will see in the earth happen right then and then the horn is blown and everyone dies...

    This means the earth has to rotate in the opposite direction, but this would leave the other half the earth in darkness when the horn is blown, so how is this the DAY of judgement and how does everyone SEE the sun rise from the west which is the opposite direction if the earth is round?

    They can't, this is only possible on a flat earth.
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    Where's the muslims now to call me an idiot?
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    How you arrived at that conclusion is beyond me.

    In your opinion, what does seeing the sun has to do with hearing the horn?

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    Originally Posted by farzamk
    The Quran claims that the sun rises from the west and that it will be one of the final signs that everyone will see in the earth happen right then and then the horn is blown and everyone dies...

    This means the earth has to rotate in the opposite direction
    Not "rotate". You mean "revolve". The earth revolves on its axis.
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    Originally Posted by nonAtlas View Post
    Not "rotate". You mean "revolve". The earth revolves on its axis.
    does it matter either way?? My point is, it is the DAY of judgement, not the NIGHT of judgement, meaning that if it is happening at once and everyone sees the sun rise from the west and then it happens say a few hours later during the day, it must happen at once, it never says half the earth is judged then up comes the other half...

    day of judgement only possible on a flat earth.
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    random: i think there is only one planet in our solar system that doesn't rotate the same as ours. i forget what it is though..
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    It doesnt have to be the sun rising, it was just an analogy to explain an event. It could be a massive thermonuclear explosion for instance - "something as bright as the sun rising in the west" - take it this way.
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    day of judgement is an appointed time.

    a day is a 24 hour period anyway wednesday night is still part of that day.

    I really don't care for islam but you can't disprove a verse by using "logic" since metaphors are the favoured speak of religious texts.
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    Originally Posted by Vadim Beliaev View Post
    It doesnt have to be the sun rising, it was just an analogy to explain an event. It could be a massive thermonuclear explosion for instance - "something as bright as the sun rising in the west" - take it this way.
    the quran doesn't say this, therefore what you say is false. We must go EXACTLY by the Quran and ONLY that! sarcasm...

    but seriously you are making this up and have ZERO "divine" proof for your claim... give me a quran verse that says half the earth will see something that isn't the sun but looks exactly like it. Plus the quran says the SUN rises from the west.

    BTW did I mention the force needed to stop the earth is a quadrillion times a force that is given off by a 10 kilo-ton atomic bomb?
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    Originally Posted by farzamk
    does it matter either way?? My point is, it is the DAY of judgement, not the NIGHT of judgement, meaning that if it is happening at once and everyone sees the sun rise from the west and then it happens say a few hours later during the day, it must happen at once, it never says half the earth is judged then up comes the other half...

    day of judgement only possible on a flat earth.
    Not quite. Speaking with reference to the Bible, and thus the REAL God (not this moslem "Allah" guy...or "Ollie" or whatever it is), the point is God is all-powerful, and as such He need not be understood by people like you. It is a spiritual reality and not limited to the piddly parameters of this physical realm.

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    Originally Posted by nonAtlas View Post
    Not quite. Speaking with reference to the Bible, and thus the REAL God (not this moslem "Allah" guy...or "Ollie" or whatever it is), the point is God is all-powerful, and as such He need not be understood by people like you. It is a spiritual reality and not limited to the piddly parameters of this physical realm.

    i think today has been my most succesful day in refuting islam and religion as a whole... not once have i been defeated but simply people just making up non sense posts just to "fill up" the thread.

    The Bible is millions of times worse than the bible when it comes to logic, please do not bring it in here... BTW the name allah comes from the pagan moon god name of lalah.

    The Bible has been proven wrong just too many times for me to even continue to make threads about it, therefore no point... I already gave you like 200 contradictions in it, and gave countless scientific and logical errors like day and night existing BEFORE the sun did, and that is the earth's perspective od day and night. Day and night on other planets is much much longer or much shorter, therefore this is the only perspective. Or how about 6 24 hour periods to make the universe when the earth is proven to be 4.54 billion years old and the Bible never ever mentions galaxies or anything, only stars and earth... what about the hundreds of billions of galaxies? what about the big universe?
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    Giant nuclear bomb hits the west west fires back and hits the east doomsday
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    Originally Posted by Mark_ey View Post
    Giant nuclear bomb hits the west west fires back and hits the east doomsday
    then boom, nuclear waves everywhere
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    Originally Posted by farzamk View Post
    The Quran claims that the sun rises from the west and that it will be one of the final signs that everyone will see in the earth happen right then and then the horn is blown and everyone dies...

    This means the earth has to rotate in the opposite direction, but this would leave the other half the earth in darkness when the horn is blown, so how is this the DAY of judgement and how does everyone SEE the sun rise from the west which is the opposite direction if the earth is round?

    They can't, this is only possible on a flat earth.
    The rising of the sun from the west and the blowing of the horn are two chronologically SEPARATE events. In fact, there will still be life after the sun rises from the west, and people will continue to live. That is the entire significance of the Hadith about God accepting repentance from people as long as the sun hasn't risen from the west. After the sun rises from the west, the period of acceptable repentance will have ended and the day of judgement would be imminent. That's it.

    You made up the part about the sun rising from the west and the trumpet being blown immediately, thus your argument fails.
    "The worshipers of the Most Gracious are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace. In the privacy of the night, they meditate on their Lord and fall prostrate."
    "And they say, "Our Lord, let our spouses and children be a source of joy for us, and keep us in the forefront of the righteous." These are the ones who attain Paradise in return for their steadfastness; they are received therein with joyous greetings and peace."
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    Actually quadrillion times the force of a atomic bomb, and lol to mark ey...

    anyways on this ^^^, this would mean about 10 to the power of 10 to the power of 5. This means 10x10x10 and so on 10 times and then that number multiplied by itself 5 times.

    Quite a few atomic bombs eh? The force would blow up the entire earth and every cell on it with only a few thousand of em, let alone a QUADRILLION.
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    i think today has been my most succesful day in refuting islam and religion as a whole...not once have i been defeated

    The Bible is millions of times worse than the bible
    Uh...yeah. Great success there, Sport. Here's to an undefeated season, which would be millions of times better than an undefeated season.

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    The Bible is millions of times worse than the bible when it comes to logic, please do not bring it in here... BTW the name allah comes from the pagan moon god name of lalah.
    Prove it. Keep in mind that I DO speak Arabic. I also have an Arabic dictionary/lexicon right next to me.
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    The rising of the sun from the west and the blowing of the horn are two chronologically SEPARATE events. In fact, there will still be life after the sun rises from the west, and people will continue to live. That is the entire significance of the Hadith about God accepting repentance from people as long as the sun hasn't risen from the west. After the sun rises from the west, the period of acceptable repentance will have ended and the day of judgement would be imminent. That's it.

    You made up the part about the sun rising from the west and the trumpet being blown immediately, thus your argument fails.
    I did not, I said I'm assuming a few to several hours later, if not how is it the DAY of judgment?? So sun rises at 6:30 a.m., 2 pm, horn blows/everyone's dead. Meanwhile elsewhere people are asleep at 4 am in the morning and never saw the sun rise from the west...
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    Originally Posted by EOY View Post
    Prove it. Keep in mind that I DO speak Arabic. I also have an Arabic dictionary/lexicon right next to me.
    alright ill find the source...but not now, come on tomorrow or maybe later tonight and ill have it.
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    Originally Posted by farzamk
    The Bible has been proven wrong just too many times
    Not even once.

    for me to even continue to make threads about it, therefore no point... I already gave you like 200 contradictions in it, and gave countless scientific and logical errors
    Tell me some of them and I will yet again destroy your claims. Wow...that you are such a glutton for punishment says at least that you are not shy.

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    Originally Posted by nonAtlas View Post
    Uh...yeah. Great success there, Sport. Here's to an undefeated season, which would be millions of times better than an undefeated season.

    EVER HEARD OF SOMETHING CALLED:

    A TYPO!!!!!!!

    don't think so...
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    Originally Posted by nonAtlas View Post
    Not even once.



    Tell me some of them and I will yet again destroy your claims. Wow...that you are such a glutton for punishment says at least that you are not shy.

    why don't you use the lovely search feature on this site and look for: "101 contradictions in the bible" and you'll find 3 threads that give verses and quotes to them and descriptions...
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    Originally Posted by farzamk View Post
    I did not, I said I'm assuming a few to several hours later, if not how is it the DAY of judgment?? So sun rises at 6:30 a.m., 2 pm, horn blows/everyone's dead. Meanwhile elsewhere people are asleep at 4 am in the morning and never saw the sun rise from the west...
    Concentrate. The rising of the sun from the west and the blowing of the horn are two chronologically separate events. We know for sure that people will continue to live after the sun rises from the west. The blowing of the horn is an entirely different event. These two events could happen within MONTHS or YEARS or DECADES from one another. Only in your imagination does the Qur'an say the horn is blown immediately after the sun rises from the west.
    "The worshipers of the Most Gracious are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace. In the privacy of the night, they meditate on their Lord and fall prostrate."
    "And they say, "Our Lord, let our spouses and children be a source of joy for us, and keep us in the forefront of the righteous." These are the ones who attain Paradise in return for their steadfastness; they are received therein with joyous greetings and peace."
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    Originally Posted by farzamk View Post
    alright ill find the source...but not now, come on tomorrow or maybe later tonight and ill have it.
    lol, I already know where you got it from, but whatever.
    "The worshipers of the Most Gracious are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace. In the privacy of the night, they meditate on their Lord and fall prostrate."
    "And they say, "Our Lord, let our spouses and children be a source of joy for us, and keep us in the forefront of the righteous." These are the ones who attain Paradise in return for their steadfastness; they are received therein with joyous greetings and peace."
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    Originally Posted by farzamk
    EVER HEARD OF SOMETHING CALLED:

    A TYPO!!!!!!!

    don't think so...
    Keep it up. Your "logic" is quite entertaining.

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    Originally Posted by farzamk
    why don't you use the lovely search feature on this site and look for: "101 contradictions in the bible" and you'll find 3 threads that give verses and quotes to them and descriptions...
    I could do that but why spread this discussion between two threads? You want to beat up on people here, so here is where I will destroy your "arguments". Please present the alleged "contradictions" and we shall see who is telling it straight.

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    Originally Posted by nonAtlas View Post
    Not even once.



    Tell me some of them and I will yet again destroy your claims. Wow...that you are such a glutton for punishment says at least that you are not shy.

    I am a christian myself, however, i dont take the bible word for word. Here is an example of why....

    Oldest person ever....
    Jeanne Calment 122 years 164 days. Born 21 February 1875/ died 4 August 1997 F

    If you read Genesis chapter 6 God says Humans shall only live to be no more than 120 years old. This of course After Noah lived to 500 years old, Jared lived to 962 years old, and Adam lived to 930.
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    Originally Posted by deathwish420196
    I am a christian myself, however, i dont take the bible word for word. Here is an example of why....

    Oldest person ever....
    Jeanne Calment 122 years 164 days. Born 21 February 1875/ died 4 August 1997 F

    If you read Genesis chapter 6 God says Humans shall only live to be no more than 120 years old. This of course After Noah lived to 500 years old, Jared lived to 962 years old, and Adam lived to 930.
    So what? How does that matter to the fact that Bible characters lived as long as they did? NOT reading literally means you have nothing but your own standard of truth, which means leaving God out of the picture. That is dangerous.

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    By the way, even in your own made up scenario, God can easily have everyone on the face of the planet witnessing the sun rising from the west simultaneously. What's the problem here? The laws of physics and any other limitation you can think of does not effect God. I mean, here you are considering a scenario in which the sun rises from the west (something that is supernatural) and yet you object to something as relatively trivial as God making everyone on earth witnessing it at the same time! You accept something that is supernatural in and of itself, then you object to something else BECAUSE it's supernatural? I mean, if you posit the existence of God, you CANNOT object to the possibility of Him doing something just because you find it supernatural. The laws of nature mean absolutely nothing to God.

    And please, don't reply with the old "square triangle" argument. This isn't a case of something supernatural, it's a case of something that is logically inconcievable. If God created a squra triangle, would you be able to recognize it ? Obviously not.
    "The worshipers of the Most Gracious are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace. In the privacy of the night, they meditate on their Lord and fall prostrate."
    "And they say, "Our Lord, let our spouses and children be a source of joy for us, and keep us in the forefront of the righteous." These are the ones who attain Paradise in return for their steadfastness; they are received therein with joyous greetings and peace."
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    Originally Posted by EOY View Post
    Concentrate. The rising of the sun from the west and the blowing of the horn are two chronologically separate events. We know for sure that people will continue to live after the sun rises from the west. The blowing of the horn is an entirely different event. These two events could happen within MONTHS or YEARS or DECADES from one another. Only in your imagination does the Qur'an say the horn is blown immediately after the sun rises from the west.

    Uh Hu and the sun rising is of the final signs? What you say is highly unlikely but whatever... either way this doesn't answer the fact that people will be judged at night time while others are judged in the day.

    Plus it is called the DAY of judgement, not the NIGHT. There is a term used for the night muhammad went to the seventh heaven. NIGHT of (insert term here). Notice how it isn't the DAY of (insert term), but NIGHT of.

    Therefore day of judgement happens during day time, and we know everyone cannot be judged at the same time during the day unless the earth is flat.
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