What do you think of the new gyms, with less free weights more machines?

[Deadlift777]

Lately theirs been a tread where, people want convience, like machines and treadmills. but i think this is cheap, they make you pay large amounts of money for an air conditioned beauty parlor they call a gym. I like the gyms with tons of weights, free weights, and the old fashioned way to build muscle, like Dorian Yate's gym the dungeon where, there was no air conditoning an other modern day junk, It was pure lifting and, the focus was to weight training, bodybuilding and powerlifting, not to socialize. The old gyms where champions worked to the death for strength,power and becoming champions.

[Punched]

Im starting to hate my gym its full of old people and fat people, theres like no real muscle there and when you go in and start liftin heavy they look at you weird. My gym does have a free weight section but its always full of kids and people who dont know what there doing. I go to Bally's

[Jams]

You been to Dorians current gym? "temple Gym" in birmingham. Not been there myself, just wondered what its like.

[Deadlift777]

Personally i've never been to the Temple Gym but i've been reading about it and it's a true weightlifting experience

[Deadlift777]

Im starting to hate my gym its full of old people and fat people, theres like no real muscle there and when you go in and start liftin heavy they look at you weird. My gym does have a free weight section but its always full of kids and people who dont know what there doing. I go to Bally's

The gym I go to also has tons of old people and fat people, this makes me mad, because it shows thw gym has no outer influence on the people around our age and have no consideration for people who actually want to build musle

[s0m30n3]

I've seen it on video, it's true heaven for hardcore bber. I personnally don't like machine. Only cables and freeweights for me, sometimes I get on the pecdeck machine, if you see it as a machine.

[Mestizo]

There's a big difference between a gym and a fitness center. I've always been a member of underground, ghetto real bodybuilding gyms....weights and machines don't match...nothing pretty or fancy. I've had friends try to get me to get a membership with them at the local fitness center with their raquetball courts, hot tubs, aerobic and spinning classes...but if I can't throw the weights around without getting a dirty look, then I don't want to be there.

I just got Lee Priest's video, Another Blonde Myth, and it shows him training at the World Gym which is pretty clean cut and has lots of machines. I was suprised to see that Lee used mostly machines over free weights.

[Jams]

You from around birmingham deadlift?

[bbjeff86]

Yes, it seems traditional "gyms" are on the decline. But the problem is there are so few bodybuilders, and powerlifters, that in order to make alot of money gyms turn into fitness centers, and become commercial. This is very unfortunate, but hopefully there will always remain a few true gyms out there, I hope anyway.

[Actual Size]

Yes, it seems traditional "gyms" are on the decline. But the problem is there are so few bodybuilders, and powerlifters, that in order to make alot of money gyms turn into fitness centers, and become commercial. This is very unfortunate, but hopefully there will always remain a few true gyms out there, I hope anyway.

I have to agree, it seems like people are scared of real bodybuilders so they have to make the gyms more "friendlier".

[Anabol Boy]

Yes, it seems traditional "gyms" are on the decline. But the problem is there are so few bodybuilders, and powerlifters, that in order to make alot of money gyms turn into fitness centers, and become commercial. This is very unfortunate, but hopefully there will always remain a few true gyms out there, I hope anyway.

I dont care about real gyms or fitness centers as long as I get what I need
btw to live underground without air conditioner is not very good especially while working out

[Dude2112]

i hate my gym too, they play the gayest pop music really loud it gives me a headache sometimes, bitches there always talk to ech other and don't really workout, half the guys are old turds that don;t know how to workout, a quarter of the young guys don;t know how to workout, half of the other quarter of young guys are pussies, and half of the other quarter of young guys are ok (i guess), and may 1% (including me) actually know what the hell their doing. This is based on what i see.



What i really hate are those ****in annoying ass personal trainers training their fat ass clients. They always monopolize **** like free weight benches, squat area, and **** when you really need to use them. And they always get it the way, and this one ***git trainer always drop his gay clipboard on the floor when he arrives at an area with his chuncky client, and it pisses me off and throws off my concentration.




And the people that stare piss me off. Cus you don't know why their staring. (well it's not really like staring, but like everytime you look up you notice they are looking at you) I just feel like saying "What the **** are you staring at Dip****!!!" and it's always those fatbodies, that think they have muscle and wear tight shirts, (i don't know why, maybe to show off their chucks of fat)



I really really ****in hate those personal trainers, and the funny thing is that their outa of ****in shape too. Their all either skrawny, or chuncky, or old, or a combination of the three. I know I wouldn't listen to a personal trainer who is in worst shape than me. I hope I mentioned about how i hate those ****in personal trainers.




I just had to vent this out......

[bigbodybuilder]

dude before i bought my gym from my dad, i used to go to ballys and seriously what a piece of****. you cant even ****ing use chalk, you cant scream, you cant wear sandals, machines break they take months to ix them hell they didnt even have the tbar or therows for back what pile of ****

[KhanPaulsen]

i hate my gym too, they play the gayest pop music really loud it gives me a headache sometimes, bitches there always talk to ech other and don't really workout, half the guys are old turds that don;t know how to workout, a quarter of the young guys don;t know how to workout, half of the other quarter of young guys are pussies, and half of the other quarter of young guys are ok (i guess), and may 1% (including me) actually know what the hell their doing. This is based on what i see.

IF THEY ARE TRAINING, WHO CARES IF THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING OR NOT? NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE A BODYBUILDER. LEAVE THEM ALONE, AND FOCUS ON YOUR DAMN SELF.



What i really hate are those ****in annoying ass personal trainers training their fat ass clients. They always monopolize **** like free weight benches, squat area, and **** when you really need to use them. And they always get it the way, and this one ***git trainer always drop his gay clipboard on the floor when he arrives at an area with his chuncky client, and it pisses me off and throws off my concentration.

I AM A PERSONAL TRAINER, AND THE REASON WE HAVE CLIENTS IS TO HELP THEM TURN THEIR BODY INTO SOMETHING THEY CAN APPRECIATE. THE FACT THEY COME TO US LOOKING FOR HELP MEANS THAT THEY REALLY WANT CHANGES. FOR YOU TO SIT AROUND AND JUDGE PEOPLE IS BULL****. BY THE WAY, WHEN I AM TRAINING MYSELF I CARRY A TRAINING JOURNAL, AND I DROP IT ON THE FLOOR ALL THE DAMN TIME, LEARN TO BE A MAN, AND QUIT COMPLAINING ABOUT MINOR ****. IN THE GYM YOU SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON YOU, NOT OTHER PEOPLE.

And the people that stare piss me off. Cus you don't know why their staring. (well it's not really like staring, but like everytime you look up you notice they are looking at you) I just feel like saying "What the **** are you staring at Dip****!!!" and it's always those fatbodies, that think they have muscle and wear tight shirts, (i don't know why, maybe to show off their chucks of fat)

WHO CARES IF THEY STARE? WHO CARES WHAT THEY WEAR? IT ISN'T LIKE YOU ARE SOMETHING SPECIAL. YOU NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO YOURSELF.

I really really ****in hate those personal trainers, and the funny thing is that their outa of ****in shape too. Their all either skrawny, or chuncky, or old, or a combination of the three. I know I wouldn't listen to a personal trainer who is in worst shape than me. I hope I mentioned about how i hate those ****in personal trainers.

I AM WILLING TO BET THE VAST MAJORITY OF TRAINERS ARE IN A MUCH BETTER SHAPE THAN YOU. BY THE WAY, US PERSONAL TRAINERS HATE PEOPLE THAT BITCH ABOUT ****, AND CAN'T DO THEIR OWN THING. YOU NEED TO GROW UP.


I just had to vent this out......

Nice vent, too bad it is pretty damn offensive. I will make some notes in CAPS for you...

[RACKITUP]

Machines get the job done too

[Trappy]

Around 72% of people who go to gyms are general/fitness trainers, ie your average Joes. About 18% are sports trainers, and only about 10% are specialist ie bodybuilders/powerlifters. Unfortunately for gyms to make money they have to accomodate for the most people, which unfortunately is your average people training.

[Tender]

Maybe it's a liability issue.. It's easier to get hurt by using freeweights than it is with machines. That's my guess. All I know is if a gym doesn't have freeweights, I'll be somewhere else.

[Shotput15]

Free weights are a staple in building both physical muscle and even mental. When you use free weights, it triggers many more nerves and works even your mind, because you are faced to balance the weights and keep better form. Machines are great for isolation exercises, such as leg extensions and leg curls, but they also are just that, isolation, which prevent working any other muscles. This can be a good thing and a bad thing, but I much prefer to use total body and incorporate more muscles than just a few at a time, because it teaches your body to work together, and also perfects your form. I wish that gyms were not so machine happy, but it is a joint issue with injuries, and also they're easier, which are appealing to the elderly. Machines and free weights work together, one can not work without the other in my opinion, but free weights are most definitely more versitile. If gyms are ever taken over by machines, we wouldn't be able to build even muscle, we would have inflaming body parts, like balloons every few inches, because those inbetween supporting muscles won't have to do the work, and would grow very little. Good topic to touch upon, reps

[Mithrandir]

i hate my gym too, they play the gayest pop music really loud it gives me a headache sometimes, bitches there always talk to ech other and don't really workout, half the guys are old turds that don;t know how to workout, a quarter of the young guys don;t know how to workout, half of the other quarter of young guys are pussies, and half of the other quarter of young guys are ok (i guess), and may 1% (including me) actually know what the hell their doing. This is based on what i see.



What i really hate are those ****in annoying ass personal trainers training their fat ass clients. They always monopolize **** like free weight benches, squat area, and **** when you really need to use them. And they always get it the way, and this one ***git trainer always drop his gay clipboard on the floor when he arrives at an area with his chuncky client, and it pisses me off and throws off my concentration.




And the people that stare piss me off. Cus you don't know why their staring. (well it's not really like staring, but like everytime you look up you notice they are looking at you) I just feel like saying "What the **** are you staring at Dip****!!!" and it's always those fatbodies, that think they have muscle and wear tight shirts, (i don't know why, maybe to show off their chucks of fat)



I really really ****in hate those personal trainers, and the funny thing is that their outa of ****in shape too. Their all either skrawny, or chuncky, or old, or a combination of the three. I know I wouldn't listen to a personal trainer who is in worst shape than me. I hope I mentioned about how i hate those ****in personal trainers.




I just had to vent this out......

Hey im 220 and I wear beaters, I feel I look good enough to wear em, and If people like you dont like it they can fck off. this board is a joke, so many people post tons of stupid **** and then there are people on here that think they are so much better than everyone else because they have 6% bodyfat, good for you, some people dont care that much about having a "perfect" body, so dont make fun of em for it.

[ff_gym]

ive always thought that free weight is alot better, you build up your control aswell as muscle and strength

[mynameisgeorgel]

I am actually fortunate enough to go to a "real" gym with free weights and such. They do have several machines and a few treadmills and stationary bikes but it doesn't get in the way. About half of the people there are bodybuilders, strongmen, etc and the other half are into fitness. There aren't to many fat asses or old people that get in the way so it makes it a pretty smooth workout. Its actually pretty ghetto, no air condition, just two big fans, and all of the weights are beat up and look to be 50 years old, god i love it

[skullcrusher45]

I think that the ratio of Bodybuilders/Powerlifter/O-lifters to Fitness/Cardio/Machine people is equal to the ratio of Hardcore Gyms to Fitness Centers. Just my opinion.

[KhanPaulsen]

There needs to be more fitness models in the world. Yum, yum.

[K_muscle]

people post tons of stupid **** and then there are people on here that think they are so much better than everyone else because they have 6% bodyfat

Yes but its more like 6% bodyfat at 120 pounds And you're right this forum does have alot of stupid **** in it.

[Deadlift777]

The one day I was at the gym and I forgot my lifting clothes, so I took off my shirt, people in the gym looked at me like I was some retard until they saw the muscle and they backed off, it really ticks me off that you can't even take off your shirt, or listen to music loud, in the gym I lift, because women and old people are lifting, you know what I don't give a crap if old fat people and dumb girls are there, we are building our bodies and our minds, we should be able to do whatever it takes to do that, even if it means, throwing 500 lb weights and yelling at the top of our lungs!

[psychojoe]

Personally i've never been to the Temple Gym but i've been reading about it and it's a true weightlifting experience

ive been to the entrance, its easy to find - right in birmingham city centre. I didnt go in though, cuz im a loser. Dorian Yates lives a few mins away from me, werd


--Joe

[short_dude]

There's a big difference between a gym and a fitness center. I've always been a member of underground, ghetto real bodybuilding gyms....weights and machines don't match...nothing pretty or fancy. I've had friends try to get me to get a membership with them at the local fitness center with their raquetball courts, hot tubs, aerobic and spinning classes...but if I can't throw the weights around without getting a dirty look, then I don't want to be there.

I just got Lee Priest's video, Another Blonde Myth, and it shows him training at the World Gym which is pretty clean cut and has lots of machines. I was suprised to see that Lee used mostly machines over free weights.

Yes there is dude I second you, read this execellent article by world-class powerlifter Louie Simmons and Learn. If you want to get strong, you need a gym.

http://www.deepsquatter.com/strength/archives/ls8.htm

Bottom Line: Machines (not every one) but workouts based on machines only are either for

1. a lifter that pretends to be hardcore but is really a pussy.

OR

2. the casual 9-5 business guy who just wants to "get a light workout" in once in a while to stay in decent shape. There goals are to bench 300,400,500 or compete in bodybuilding but just be able to train with only half effort and easily (a machine they hop on, push a weight pin in and do a little work)

Besides these places offer "the beauty feel" and the social hour, and nice locker rooms, etc. They places are very commerical and costs lots of $$, Bally's, LA Fitness, Gold's, etc...BUT guess what they are mareketing them towards these business casual guys, b/c guys in their 30's, early 40's with good jobs have money and they know that. So they fancy it up and take their money.

I walked into one of those places once did one workout and walked right back out, I told the guy you only have 2 benches in this place and yet you call it a gym (it had about 100 machines)

If you're a hardcore dude who really works out you don't need that. I'd much rather work out in a torn up basement with squat racks, benches and free weights with a couple hard motivated workout partner where I can wear torn up shirts, blare rock music off the wall and get crazy doing real work then

sit on a comfortable bicep curl machine looking in a mirror while listening to elevator music.

But like anything else, $$$ talk and the big fitness business is in the commerical gym. Guys that really want to lift can and will go somewhere else.

[illriginal]

Im starting to hate my gym its full of old people and fat people, theres like no real muscle there and when you go in and start liftin heavy they look at you weird. My gym does have a free weight section but its always full of kids and people who dont know what there doing. I go to Bally's

Yeah no doubt bro, my gym's full of old people that smell when they sweat. Not only that I hope new gyms dont start taking away from free weights. That's just sad if they do. I'd rather stick to Gold's GYM and not have to worry about crowds of people, and rooms full of machines. There's a free weight room which is dedicated only to free weights for all body parts. Basically anything that's non-mechanical is in that room. That's where you see the real big boys.

[dairyman]

golds gym by me is filed with machines they dont even have a place behind some of the benches for a spotter to stand. their weights are covered in rubber