I dont think the two are mutually exclusive. Sure there is a killer instinct that people have in varying degrees since the time they are born; however training and practicing to unleash that instict is just as important.
For example, I have a friend that is aggressive and quick to take **** to the next level. That is the "killer instict" that has been discussed here. He also took 10 years of martial arts and knows what the **** he is doing. Combine the two and you have someone you dont want to mess with.
I on the other hand am not a "fighter". It takes something special for me to really snap, i'm just not programmed the same way my friend is. But I did 4 years of wrestling and if push came to shove (literally haha) I feel semi confident in how I can handle myself.
Pretty much all im saying is that some people are born fighters and some train their fighting skills. Both are equally valuable in making someone an effective fighter.
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Thread: So you want to be a bad ass?
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03-20-2005, 05:55 PM #31
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03-20-2005, 08:04 PM #32Originally Posted by DeadliftaI have only two regrets: I didn't shoot Henry Clay and I didn't hang John C. Calhoun.
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03-25-2005, 11:27 PM #34
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my e-tuff post
Skelooth's lesson in fighting and being a bad ass.
I am a big dude. In my adult years I have been 195lbs to 295lbs and then back again. I've been expelled out of schools, spent most my teenage years robbing **** off people's porches and getting trashed. Because I am naturally gargantuan, I have always HAD to fight (little guys always have something to prove, my fellow large brothers will vouche for this i'm sure).
What I am about to tell you, should be costing you money. Using this formula you will win EVERY fight. As a bonus, I will throw a technique in for you other big guys (Guys with gravity on their side)
This formula is only 100% effective if your oppenent is one of those preppy ****ers that has hair.
Step one, grab your opponent by his hair, TIGHT AND HARD
While squeezing the living **** out of your opponents hair, force his body next to you, and face his face towards the ground. If you get him in this position, it's over, you're going to beat the crap out of him. Proceed to bash him in the face using your other fist. If he manages to trip you, keep your hand gripping his hair and shove your knee in his throat, then continue to bash.
If he dont have hair.... you prolly shouldn't be trying this.
For the big guys... this is funny, but it works. Tackle your opponent to the ground. Then SIT ON HIS FACE. Just plop your ass right down on his face, he'll be gasping for air trying to push you off while you hammer away at the poor schmucks torso.
And as always, when faced by a group of oppenents, pull out a blade, start slicing, and run. If you have no blade a set of keys works fine. But there is now cowardice in retreating from an unfair battle.
on the bright side, i am a changed person. no more fighting for me... drugs or crime either. But the experience of being a 'bad ass' is there. and like the topic poster said, either you have it or you don't. </being e-tuff>I've gained and lost over 100lbs more times than any man alive should. Do as I say and not as I do.
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03-25-2005, 11:30 PM #35
Thsi thread cant have any real use. Im not gonna even read it. I know where its heading.
Fighting is like BB;ing 90%mental.
If the enemy has you psyched out, you will lose, no matter how good our fighting skillz are.
Believe me, I know. I have alot of experience. Its all a head game. The physical part is the end result of all the mental preparation before the fight, attach whatever..no sig
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03-25-2005, 11:35 PM #36
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03-25-2005, 11:54 PM #40Originally Posted by skelooth
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03-26-2005, 12:25 AM #44
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Originally Posted by FF Punk
Of course the trade off is that pulling hair does no damage other them temporary pain while it's being pulled, which is why police employ the tactic quite frequently.
If you get someone by the hair, they are not going anywhere. Spend some time researching the technique, because it's not my invention.I've gained and lost over 100lbs more times than any man alive should. Do as I say and not as I do.
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03-26-2005, 12:27 AM #45
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Originally Posted by FF Punk
my friend just told me that nothing i'm saying is making sense :\ I'm going to bed.I've gained and lost over 100lbs more times than any man alive should. Do as I say and not as I do.
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Originally Posted by FF PunkI've gained and lost over 100lbs more times than any man alive should. Do as I say and not as I do.
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03-26-2005, 12:40 AM #48
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03-26-2005, 08:01 AM #49Originally Posted by CrazyTallI have only two regrets: I didn't shoot Henry Clay and I didn't hang John C. Calhoun.
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03-26-2005, 08:12 AM #50
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Originally Posted by FF Punk
http://www.lwcbooks.com/articles/hairarticle.html
this looks to be an okay article on the subject, though I only skimmed trough it. This is not the original source I got the technique from, I had learned it from a book years before I ever got in the internet.
Originally Posted by the articleLast edited by skelooth; 03-26-2005 at 08:21 AM.
I've gained and lost over 100lbs more times than any man alive should. Do as I say and not as I do.
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03-26-2005, 08:49 AM #51Originally Posted by skeloothIn 1945, Adolf Hilter died and went to Hell. Satan asked, "why are you in Hell?" He replied, "I am responsible for the massacre of millions" Satan said, "well done, sit to the right of my throne." In 1953, Joseph Stalin died and went to Hell. Satan asked, "why are you in Hell?" He replied "I killed millions to stay in power" Satan said "good, sit to my left" 2010, Ronnie James Dio died and went to Hell, Satan asked, "why are you in Hell?" Dio replied, "Bitch, get the fuk off my throne!"
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03-26-2005, 08:59 AM #52
In all seriousness if anyone is serious about learning streetfighting they should consider getting a book called Championship street fighting by NED Beaumont. He has it pretty much like it is. Although no book can come close to formal training it can assist you in what works and what doesn't
I have only two regrets: I didn't shoot Henry Clay and I didn't hang John C. Calhoun.
"A race of people is like an individual man; until it uses its own talent, takes pride in its own history, expresses its own culture, affirms its own selfhood, it can never fulfill itself." Malcolm X
1000 plus, reps returned
Millionaires are made from talent and intellect; not the major you selected when you're coming out of high school. Warren Buffett
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03-26-2005, 09:12 AM #53
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03-26-2005, 10:53 AM #55
Getting used to getting hit and not just falling down to a knee is what live training gets you. I don't agree you have to be born with it though, I've seen a lot of people who I thought would never be able to fight pick it up pretty quickly after just a few months of getting banged around. At lease enough to handle themselves in a decent way. Far better than before they trained and couldn't even throw a jab with their lead hand.
As far as ground fighting goes, to many people know it now. If you don't know how to pull guard or defend against an armbar or choke, your done. I'm not saying you want to go to the ground, but a lot of these punks out there starting all the fights are starting to go for full mount from the beginning. The popularity of UFC is giving the bullies tools they didn't have before.
Good post though, I wonder how much longer TMA schools will be able to exists. I've noticed most are trying to convert to striking and ground fighting schools. It sux for the owners though to have to put 20 years of an art under there oversized belt and have to basically throw it away to use what really works. And find out how easily they can be defeated when there are no rules.Last edited by Bad_Vibes; 03-26-2005 at 10:56 AM.
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03-26-2005, 11:02 AM #56
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03-26-2005, 11:13 AM #57
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03-26-2005, 12:40 PM #58
[QUOTE=Saint Patrick] Reply=FightClub
"It's so true that street fights are different from organized fights. You might have some big bad ass karate or even wrestling, but if they were in a street fight they would get dropped."
Wrong, even good "street" fighters don't want to hook up w/ a collegiate wrestler. Why becuse they shoot on you and dump you on your head.
"That's also a problem with a lot of people who workout. Working out is great. It gets you stronger, and honestly, less people are going to mess with you. Just becasue you can benchpress 400 pounds, squat 1000, and curl even more doesn't mean you can fight."
True it doesn't mean you can fight; but that's not why most people work out. I also think big guys get their share of hot heads who feel like they can get some props by whipping them.
"Like he said, fighters are made in the womb. Either you have it or you don't. From then on, it's up to your upbringing to make you even that much more of a bad ass."
I truly don't agree w/ that statement. If we are to believe this then we are to believe too that other athletes are made in the womb. That would include bodybuilders.
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03-26-2005, 12:50 PM #59Originally Posted by Bad_Vibes
You know, again, it is assumed that TMA doesn't work. Where do you think MMA/NHB guys get their techniques?
(Some) Karate teaches many of the same things as kickboxing, Judo and Jujitsu are traditional martial arts and they are the forerunners of BJJ.
And it really doesn't get more traditional than Greco-Roman wrestling/Pankration.
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03-26-2005, 12:51 PM #60
[QUOTE=FightClub]
Originally Posted by Saint Patrick
I've seen college wrestlers get the **** beaten out of them in street fights. And I've seen them win.
That's too broad of a statement.
No street fighter I know will back off of a fight because he finds out the guy is a college wrestler.
It's really hard to shoot when they break your jaw with that first sucker punch.
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