Christ followers and supplements!

fitness210 · 08-22-2007, 10:03 PM

I was wondering as Christ followers. What are your feelings on supps will you take anything or do you have limits. For me I want take any test booster do to the fact I dont have sex outside of marriage.

Diab0lic · 08-22-2007, 10:06 PM

Why not just exercise self control with the sex, but still take the test boosters for your health, strength, fitness, and general feeling of weel being?

ElderJefferson · 08-23-2007, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by fitness210

I was wondering as Christ followers. What are your feelings on supps will you take anything or do you have limits. For me I want take any test booster do to the fact I dont have sex outside of marriage.

We are instructed to care for our bodies, and supplements have been shown to be beneficial when properly used. Nothing wrong with that.

However, drugs (ie steroids) and the like ought not to be utilized by Christians (by anyone, for that matter).

MarkA15 · 08-23-2007, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ElderJefferson

We are instructed to care for our bodies, and supplements have been shown to be beneficial when properly used. Nothing wrong with that.

However, drugs (ie steroids) and the like ought not to be utilized by Christians (by anyone, for that matter).

Agreed.

edit: I take Protein, Creatine, and Multi-V, if anyone was wondering

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TDetroit · 08-23-2007, 09:27 AM

Well, this one was quickly over. Reps alll around if I have them!

Vadim Beliaev · 08-23-2007, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ElderJefferson

However, drugs (ie steroids) and the like ought not to be utilized by Christians (by anyone, for that matter).

Whats your reasoning behind that? I would personally agree with the drug part, that is recreational drugs, if the user is destroying his body in order to achieve a particular feeling, but whats wrong with using steroids or other performance enhancers responsibly in order to improve the body that god has given you?

JUSA · 08-23-2007, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by fitness210

I was wondering as Christ followers. What are your feelings on supps will you take anything or do you have limits. For me I want take any test booster do to the fact I dont have sex outside of marriage.

I believe in moderation. While I don't take them, I personally don't see steroids as being harmful when taken in limited dosages with proper PCT. So, I wouldn't have a problem taking them for Religious reasons - if used correctly. Same goes for most suppliments but let's be honest with ourselves here, most are just crap. I wouldn't get too worried about some test booster which doesn't do anything anyway...

Germanic · 08-23-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ElderJefferson

We are instructed to care for our bodies, and supplements have been shown to be beneficial when properly used. Nothing wrong with that.

However, drugs (ie steroids) and the like ought not to be utilized by Christians (by anyone, for that matter).

Why aren' you allowed to use steroids, but you are allowed to use things like aspirin, ibuprofen, and prescription drugs? I'm sure you've had laughing gas before, or even vicodin if you've had surgery.

Steroids are not dangerous when used in moderation and responsibly. Is there a verse in the Bible that says you shouldn't use steroids?

JUSA · 08-23-2007, 10:23 AM

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Steroids are not dangerous when used in moderation and responsibly. Is there a verse in the Bible that says you shouldn't use steroids?

Shhhh... cut him some slack. The media has done a pretty good hatchet job on steroids and the average person has been convinced they are bad, evil, deadly, etc... despite there not actually being any study which shows that.

Yup. No study shows any direct link between steroids and anything harmful other than elevated levels of bad cholesterol and lowered levels of the good type (ONLY for adult males; women and young males will get messed over by them).

The DEA didn't even want to criminalize the stuff and fought hard against it.

ElderJefferson · 08-23-2007, 10:32 AM

I understand the heavy slant towards steroids on this forum, but unfortunately they are damaging to the body more often than not. They need to be confined to medicinal uses only (like was mentioned previously in this thread). They are a drug by every definition of the word.

As far as Biblical texts against steroids, that's the wrong question, as the Bible doesn't mention crack, heroine, huffing, driving down the wrong side of a highway, or hanging by one's sack on a rope from a tree, but how many of the above are beneficial to the body?

saloman · 08-23-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by smj5351

Why aren' you allowed to use steroids, but you are allowed to use things like aspirin, ibuprofen, and prescription drugs? I'm sure you've had laughing gas before, or even vicodin if you've had surgery.

Steroids are not dangerous when used in moderation and responsibly. Is there a verse in the Bible that says you shouldn't use steroids?

One is legal and one isn't. It really isn't a question of its effects on our bodies, but rather the principle that it is sinful to break the law.

Germanic · 08-23-2007, 10:34 AM

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One is legal and one isn't. It really isn't a question of its effects on our bodies, but rather the principle that it is sinful to break the law.

Not all laws are just. I'm sure God wouldn't agree with some laws that we have. ABORTION, CAPITAL PUNISHMENT, ETC
It's not sinful to break a law if the action isn't inherently sinful.

Germanic · 08-23-2007, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ElderJefferson

I understand the heavy slant towards steroids on this forum, but unfortunately they are damaging to the body more often than not. They need to be confined to medicinal uses only (like was mentioned previously in this thread). They are a drug by every definition of the word.

As far as Biblical texts against steroids, that's the wrong question, as the Bible doesn't mention crack, heroine, huffing, driving down the wrong side of a highway, or hanging by one's sack on a rope from a tree, but how many of the above are beneficial to the body?

THe second part you make a good point...as for the first part, like I asked you before, what kinds of drugs do you use in your life? Have you ever taken aspirin? You do realize that NSAIDS like aspirin kill over 7500 people every year in the US?

It's not YOUR place, or ANYONE'S place, to say what drugs are bad and what drugs are good, and whether or not someone should be able to take a drug or not.

BTW can you prove that moderate steroid use in adults always damages the body?

saloman · 08-23-2007, 10:38 AM

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Not all laws are just. I'm sure God wouldn't agree with some laws that we have. ABORTION, CAPITAL PUNISHMENT, ETC

That sort of argument holds no water. If the law stated that one must have an abortion, then it would be unjust, and folks would not be morally bound to follow it. The current law states one *can* have an abortion, which is also unjust (for the baby). The law in this case restricts your access to something. That is within the right of the state to do and scripture is clear on this point. It is not up to us to choose which laws we want to follow. If a law is unjust, it will violate a natural right (such as life). Obviously this steroid classification law does not.

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It's not sinful to break a law if the action isn't inherently sinful.

Circular reasoning; this makes no sense.

ElderJefferson · 08-23-2007, 11:00 AM

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It's not YOUR place, or ANYONE'S place, to say what drugs are bad and what drugs are good, and whether or not someone should be able to take a drug or not.

Actually, as a father of two and an ordained elder in the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, it's not only my right, but my DUTY to say what is good or bad for an individual, and I will tell any Christian that asks me that it's a sin to use steroids on a recreational basis. They're a drug, they're illegal, and they can be damaging, especially to young folk.

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BTW can you prove that moderate steroid use in adults always damages the body?

No, I can not. I'm only relying on information given to us by the "experts", including some of the mods on this site.

JUSA · 08-23-2007, 11:35 AM

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They're a drug, they're illegal, and they can be damaging, especially to young folk..

You're essentially right. I think they can be damaging but they can also be pretty helpful. I think a seasoned lifter who knows what they are doing shouldn't have a problem with it... and example might be the pro's of yesteryear who time has shown haven't had their lives or health destroyed by their usage.

I also think an older guy who has his test levels naturally dwindling down could improve their lives with responsible light usage.

Diab0lic · 08-23-2007, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ElderJefferson

Actually, as a father of two and an ordained elder in the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, it's not only my right, but my DUTY to say what is good or bad for an individual, and I will tell any Christian that asks me that it's a sin to use steroids on a recreational basis. They're a drug, they're illegal, and they can be damaging, especially to young folk.

No, I can not. I'm only relying on information given to us by the "experts", including some of the mods on this site.

There is nothing wrong with responsible use of AAS for recreational use amongst adult men.

They are not psychoactive, the common ones are mostly completely non-toxic and they have many legitimate medical uses.

The fact that they are illegal is what causes the harm as it encourages alot more forgeries, black marketing, waste of govt resources, and vast torrents of media bull****

I agree with discouraging people to break the law in general though, so I guess it's a bit of a catch 22, especially for you

buddhastalin · 08-23-2007, 08:45 PM

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Steroids are not dangerous when used in moderation and responsibly.

unfortunately, they are not used in moderation and responsibly a lot of times. i have no problems with steroids, but i do not know how to use them, so it would not be a good idea to go pick them up and experiment which is what some disillusioned people will do. if anything, they should at least be prescribed by qualified doctors but even that's up in the air.