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    why is milk bad before a workout?

    is there any reason why a small amount of milk, like 4-8 oz., as part of your pre workout meal or shake is supposedly bad? i could see not doing it before cardio but does it matter before lifting?
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    It may slow th digestion process. But if you feel alright when lifting it shouldn't be a problem.
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    Originally Posted by Gibblets
    is there any reason why a small amount of milk, like 4-8 oz., as part of your pre workout meal or shake is supposedly bad? i could see not doing it before cardio but does it matter before lifting?
    it's not bad if you drink it 1 hr before a workout. its just not good to drink it right before a workout because of the slow-digesting sugar.
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    milk is great before and after a workout, its anti-catabolic and insulinogenic
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    Originally Posted by taffer
    milk is great before and after a workout, its anti-catabolic and insulinogenic
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    Originally Posted by taffer
    milk is great before and after a workout, its anti-catabolic and insulinogenic
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    just wait untill alan sees this, he will give you another 100 reasons why milk is good any time of the day!
    he loves milk
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    As long as its skim, I'm having it pre-workout everyday.
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    um, well it does digest slowly, but it has 2 protein types, whey and casein, casein will slow down the rate at which you can absorb your protein shake. But im not sure if this is true for skim milk, but i think it is.
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    Originally Posted by taffer
    milk is great before and after a workout, its anti-catabolic and insulinogenic
    after a workout, no.
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    hehe i've pasted this about 3 times already!

    Originally Posted by alan aragon
    casein/whey research, etc:

    before i get to your question, think about the contradictory nature of what's being espoused.. no milk postW because it slows absorption down, yet they warn against encouraging absorption that's too quick for your physiology to handle without fat storage? c'mon man.. consider the existing research on casein. lands' team (1999) compared a whey supplement (immunocal) with a casein placebo & found whey to be superior to casein for increasing strength & decreasing oxidation & body fat. a year later, demling's team pumped out a more elegant/applicable study comparing casein versus whey, & found casein to be vastly superior to whey for gains in muscle mass, strength, nitrogen retention, & body fat loss. so thus far in research, casein & whey are going 1 for 1. i've already discussed the benefit of milk's insulinogenic nature, as well as casein's IGF-1 binding capacity (a good thing for muscular gain). this is why i believe that having BOTH is best. guys who can tolerate milk & ingest it proximally to their training are usually pretty beastly looking. notice i said usually, heh...

    AND, doesnt milk slow down the protein being digested along with it?

    yes, but this is not at all a bad thing in the case of milk. you see, milk has substantial insulin-generating ability AND other growth factors. casein allows IGF-1 to maintain its binding capacity & structure whereas IGF-1 would normally undergo significant denaturation by the time it hits the blood. this quality tends to counterbalance & even supercede its slow absorption & processing. whey does not exert these same positive effects on IGF-1 the way casein does, nor does it have the same positive effect on nitrogen retention. there is nothing particularly special about making sure casein doesn't get in the way of whey absorption. in fact, to play devil's advocate, one might better ask why include any whey if it's gonna get in the way of casein . the answer to this is that whey contains, among other things, a significant hit of much needed BCAAs, a uniquely anabolic amino profile, and it also can synergize with milk/casein to hike insulin levels beyond either protein source by itself. chemical teamwork.
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    funny how much science changes over time eh?
    i would agree with taffer on this one
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    I want to start having milk in my PWO shake, but the only problem is that I bring my shaker to the gym with me, with my whey and dextrose in it, and then just fill it with water after my workout from the fountain. I can't figure out how to get the milk, and the whey/dextrose to the gym at the same time lol. My next question is this: I currently have 1.5 scoops of whey, 2 tbsp dextrose and a banana PWO, If i were to incorporate milk into my PWO which would I sub it in for?
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    ok well i wasnt looking to get into a complicated post workout debate just wanted to know if it was ok to have a little milk with my pre workout meal. my question was answered, thanks taffer.
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    Originally Posted by Leafs/Pack
    I want to start having milk in my PWO shake, but the only problem is that I bring my shaker to the gym with me, with my whey and dextrose in it, and then just fill it with water after my workout from the fountain. I can't figure out how to get the milk, and the whey/dextrose to the gym at the same time lol. My next question is this: I currently have 1.5 scoops of whey, 2 tbsp dextrose and a banana PWO, If i were to incorporate milk into my PWO which would I sub it in for?
    I also bring my shake to the gym in a shaker bottle and I use milk and water for my liquid. This is what I do: I fill up a seperate bottle with 8oz of skim milk and 12oz of water. I keep this bottle in a small insulated lunch bag with an ice pack to keep it cold. Then when I am done working out I pour the bottle of milk/water into my shaker bottle, shake it, and drink up.
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    Originally Posted by taffer
    milk is great before and after a workout, its anti-catabolic and insulinogenic
    Is it okay to drink skim milk within 15 minutes of working out?
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    I've heard the reason not to have milk pre-workout is because your body is spending energy to diegest this protien during your workout. Basically you want all the energy you have to focus on lifting or cardio. However, I've never tried milk preworkout, so I don't really know how much of an effect it has on your session. Give it a try, see how you feel.
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    Whats the deal with everybody pushing skim milk? Whole milk is more nutritionally dense and it contains enzymes that promote fat loss which counters the added fat content. Skim milk is crap in my opinion, most of the good stuff is filtered out with the exception of some protein and carbs. People stress macronutrition and then turn around and promote skim milk, its the white bread of dairy. Here's one article I found on the subject.


    Drinking Whole Milk Is A Key To Losing Weight

    The Sadkhin Complex(R) Offers A Revolutionary "Weight Loss" Method And "Hunger Control" Discovery To Overweight Consumers Nationwide

    BROOKLYN, NY -- (INTERNET WIRE) -- The Sadkhin Complex(R) (TSC), the nation's most successful privately-owned weight-loss management complex, recognizes the difficult task that many Americans have in maintaining a successful long-term diet program. "We have found that drinking whole milk can be a key factor in losing large amounts of weight rapidly and healthfully," says Dr. Grigory Sadkhin, President and Founder of The Sadkhin Complex(R).

    "Throughout history, milk has been used for its medicinal value," Dr. Sadkhin emphasizes. "The abundance of calcium, vitamins and minerals provided by whole milk (not skim or low-fat milk) augments the weight loss process and will expedite the loss of inches (around the waist) as well. The natural milk fat is easily absorbed and digested by the body and is very beneficial to the overall weight loss process.

    Recent studies support Dr. Sadkhin's claims according to The University of Vermont-Burlington, where participants who increased the amount of calcium in their diet lost more weight than those who did not. Calcium derived from milk was also found to strengthen bones, reduce bone loss during the aging process and assist in blood clotting and nerve health.
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    Originally Posted by DUILEE
    Whats the deal with everybody pushing skim milk? Whole milk is more nutritionally dense and it contains enzymes that promote fat loss which counters the added fat content. Skim milk is crap in my opinion, most of the good stuff is filtered out with the exception of some protein and carbs. People stress macronutrition and then turn around and promote skim milk, its the white bread of dairy. Here's one article I found on the subject.


    Drinking Whole Milk Is A Key To Losing Weight

    The Sadkhin Complex(R) Offers A Revolutionary "Weight Loss" Method And "Hunger Control" Discovery To Overweight Consumers Nationwide

    BROOKLYN, NY -- (INTERNET WIRE) -- The Sadkhin Complex(R) (TSC), the nation's most successful privately-owned weight-loss management complex, recognizes the difficult task that many Americans have in maintaining a successful long-term diet program. "We have found that drinking whole milk can be a key factor in losing large amounts of weight rapidly and healthfully," says Dr. Grigory Sadkhin, President and Founder of The Sadkhin Complex(R).

    "Throughout history, milk has been used for its medicinal value," Dr. Sadkhin emphasizes. "The abundance of calcium, vitamins and minerals provided by whole milk (not skim or low-fat milk) augments the weight loss process and will expedite the loss of inches (around the waist) as well. The natural milk fat is easily absorbed and digested by the body and is very beneficial to the overall weight loss process.

    Recent studies support Dr. Sadkhin's claims according to The University of Vermont-Burlington, where participants who increased the amount of calcium in their diet lost more weight than those who did not. Calcium derived from milk was also found to strengthen bones, reduce bone loss during the aging process and assist in blood clotting and nerve health.
    Did they ever compare skim milk to whole milk? Check the values of whole and skim. Skim actually has more calcium per serving the whole. From the snippet above it seems they are looking at calcium not just milk in general.

    http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-001-02s001x.html - whole milk

    http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-001-02s0025.html - skim milk

    I will say that I have seen much better results drinking at least 3 cups of skim milk each day while loosing fat.
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    for the hell of experimentation, drank 1L (32oz) of milk immediately preW. to my delight, i lifted like a rabid gorilla on crack. surprisingly, no awesome milk farts while pushing the iron. my milk metabolism must be getting better with age
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    Whole milk has wayyyyy to much fat in it, by the time i figured this out i had a very puffy stomach. However i have heard that there is more nutritional value in whole milk, but i don't care i can't drink it to much fat.
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    How long can you leave milk unrefrigerated and have it be ok to drink? In other words if i want to bring a shake with milk in it to school (and not carry it with an ice pack), at what time does it become a bad idea to drink it?
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    Originally Posted by Burner
    How long can you leave milk unrefrigerated and have it be ok to drink? In other words if i want to bring a shake with milk in it to school (and not carry it with an ice pack), at what time does it become a bad idea to drink it?
    It is hard to say because it depends on the temperature. Obviously if it is out in the sun then it will go bad faster then if you have it out somewhere cold.

    I think it should be fine when you take it to school. I have left milk outside the fridge over night and it was fine the next day.

    You could also wrap an ice pack around it and put a rubber band on or something to keep it attached, if you are worried about it going bad.

    Give it a smell before you drink it and if it smells fine then usually it will be okay to drink.
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    Originally Posted by Burner
    How long can you leave milk unrefrigerated and have it be ok to drink? In other words if i want to bring a shake with milk in it to school (and not carry it with an ice pack), at what time does it become a bad idea to drink it?
    I would be more worried about the taste. Luke warm milk taste nasty IMO.
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    Hey Alan!

    I forgot to take my shake with me to the gym one day last week, so I grabbed a litre of "Lacteze" skim milk (i.e. milk w/ added lactase enzymes) from a nearby store and chugged it instead. No, I'm not lactose intolerant - I figured that glycogen would be replenished faster than with regular milk as the lactose is already broken down into glucose and galactose.

    Sound reasonable?

    Any idea how the GI/II or this stuff compares to regular skim milk?

    Thx.

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    Whats the deal with everybody pushing skim milk? Whole milk is more nutritionally dense and it contains enzymes that promote fat loss which counters the added fat content.
    Maybe that's why babies are always so ripped :P
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    I live off 1% milk now/ I drink 1 gallon of milk within 24-36 hours
    trips to the store for milk every other day.
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    Originally Posted by porkpie
    I figured that glycogen would be replenished faster than with regular milk as the lactose is already broken down into glucose and galactose.

    Sound reasonable?

    Any idea how the GI/II or this stuff compares to regular skim milk?

    Thx.
    my guess is that there would be a slightly faster rate of absorption (& hence glycogen resynthesis) since less lactase activity would be necessary, but the enzymatic action of lactase would only take fractions of a second in tolerant individuals, so the actual difference might be too small to justify the switch. same goes for insulin response. pretty cool application/concept though, sounds worth a try for a few weeks to see if any andvantage is observable. the only potential drawback is that the less intact lactose-containing foods you consume, the less tolerant of lactose you might become over the long term. we can postulate this based on the fact that an appreciable degree of lactose tolerance can actually be "forced" in intolerant individuals over time, with a gradually progressive consumption of lactose-containing foods.
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    ...surprisingly, no awesome milk farts while pushing the iron.

    That's always fun in the squat rack on leg day. LOL
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