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    Cool m1t: The quick and dirty guide to using it

    I have compiled a few commonly asked questions new users ask before getting into m1t. Please note that this thread is by no means makes you completely knowledgeable.


    I am 18, I have had 4 years plus lifting experience, I feel I’ve reached a plateau and want to use m1t :
    I’ve heard this question over and over and would to prevent all those below 21 who want to use m1t, or any other ph under the age of 21. This is basically inhibiting your body’s natural production of testosterone. Between the ages of 18 thorough 21, males experience the highest test production. If you feel you want to supplement, I would strongly suggest you look for Test boosters, like tribulus and 6oxo. Please note that this has nothing to do with your lack of so called maturity or the feeling that youngsters are careless. This is scientific and numerous studies have been performed in this regard.

    This is my first ph cycle ………..
    M1t is not the right ph to start out on ph’s. M1t is the fine line between steroids and prosteroids. If used right it can have positive effects but carelessness and lack of research can lead to irrevesible damage. I would strongly recommend either 1AD or 1-T before running m1t. It always helps to have some kind of experience with prohormones before getting to use something this toxic.

    I have just got a bottle of m1t , how do I use it.
    The safest way to use m1t is to keep the dosage low. All over the boards you can find people using m1t up to high doses of 20mg. I would suggest the following cycle.

    Week 1 – 5mg
    Week 2 – 10mg
    Week 3 - 10mg
    Week 4 – 10mg

    What times of the day do I take m1t?
    Different people have different opinions to this question. From what I've seen, the over all consensus is to take the first dose in the morning with an empty stomach with loads of water. The next with your preworkout meal with good fats like EFA's and peanut butter. m1t reduces blood sugar levels hence the lethargy. A carb and fat rich meal would somehow help a little bit here.This is my opinion, others differ with it. However preworkout m1t gives awesome pumps during the workout/weight training routine.

    Does m1t require a PCT?
    The presence of M1t in the body inhibits the production of the body’s natural testosterone. Once you jump off the cycle you will need to restart your body’s natural test production. A Post Cycle Therapy is therefore required.

    Give me a sample m1t PCT.
    Week 5 Nolvadex 40mg 6oxo –600mg
    Week 6 Nolvadex 40mg 6oxo - 600mg
    Week 7 Nolvadex 20mg 6oxo – 300mg
    Week 8 Nolvadex 20mg 6oxo - 100mg

    Is 6oxo good enough by itself for a m1t PCT, most people say it is enough
    No! By no means is 6oxo standalone strong enough to restart the test production in your body. Also 6oxo is not as effective an anti estrogen as Nolvadex. Nolvadex is therefore ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY for an m1t cycle. Please note its Nolvadex not novedex or nolvedex. Please look for Tamoxifen Citrate.

    What are the sides of m1t, how can I combat these sides?
    The common sides of m1t are

    *Lethargy and Feverishness – Stack m1t with 4AD. Preload 4AD @ 200mg / day (dermal) or 400mg/day (oral) for 1 week.
    Followed by 4AD alongside m1t for 4 weeks @ 400mg/ day dermal or 900mg/day oral .
    *Back pain, soreness, tingling sensations: This maybe attributed to the lowering of Potassium values in the body. Increased potassium intake with loads of water should take care of lower back pain. Bananas and soy milk are the secret to combat this problem.

    *Testicular atrophy a.k.a my balls are shrinking :
    Yes, this is a common side effect of using any prohormone. However this is nothing to worry about. Under normal circumstances, you will get back to your normal size after the PCT.
    Incase of extreme cases the following can be tried.
    Day 1 Clomid @ 300mg
    Week 5 Clomid @ 100mg
    Week 5/6 Clomid @ 50mg

    To the best of my knowledge this has cured most cases of testicular atrophy.

    *Puffy nipples, soreness aka gyno
    To make a long story short excess test is converted to estrogen in the body. This leads to the famous problem called gyno. In most cases, estrogen based gyno can be handled too.
    Week 5-6 Nolva @ 80mg
    Week 7-8 Nolva @ 40mg
    Week9-10 Nolva @ 20mg

    *Loss of libido, loss of erectile hardness etc in the PCT.
    “I used 4AD, I was fine, but i just got into the pct I am losing my drive”. This is another commonly heard complaint. 4AD converts to test. In your pct, you stop 4AD while your receptor sites have not started your body's natural production of test. If you want to get your drive back I would suggest using both Nolva and Clomid together. Clomid however makes you moody and prone to irritation, therefore be cautious and use clomid at lower doses.
    If you want to have sex while using m1t and are “ not able to get it up” then I would suggest you use Tadafil Citrate aka Cialis. I personally feel Cialis is more effective than Viagra.

    *Nose Bleeds:
    This is attributed to elevated BP , blood pressure levels while using m1t. Hawthorne berry must be used to keep this in check.

    What is preloading? How does it help my liver?
    M1t takes the oral route within the body. The body’s natural filter is the liver. M1t is toxic, this means that your liver will take a beating while you use M1t. It is always better to preload that is to run a liver protector before jumping on the cycle.
    Milk thistle @ 1000mg preloaded along with 4AD a week before the m1t starts.
    PCT Milk thistle @ 1000mg for 2 weeks.
    If budget permits you can also look into NAC.

    Does running milk thistle along side m1t inhibit gains.
    No, silymarin does not inhibit any gains and does not have any chemical significance. It is purely for the liver. Its effect however is best in the preload and pct.

    What are other good supplements I can run along side m1t.
    Make sure you take your multivitamins and EFA’s. If creatine works for you , go for it. Pretty much I would recommend using m1t for bulking. Some use ph’s for cutting cycles. M1t may not be ideal to run for a cutting cycle but this is only my opinion.
    >Hawthorne berry is also a great supplement to control BP. Dosage is around 565mg/day.
    >Tribulus is a great testosterone booster that can be included in the PCT
    Week 5&6 - 5g/day
    Week 7&8 - 2.5g/day
    >Zinc: Make sure that your m1t cycle has 35mg of zinc and your PCT has 50mg of zinc.If you can throw in ZMA, wether it works or not, it gives you great sleep so try it if you got the money.
    > Saw Palmetto: The prostrate is one delicate part of your system that you do not want to affect under any circumstances.
    SP @ 320mg/day

    I have used m1t before, I want to use it with other methylated products. Is this safe?
    m1t is toxic by itself alone. m1t/m5AA cutters are very popluar among many users. However I feel, the load is too much on the liver. You might want to consider a 1AD/m5 kind of stack.

    I took m1t, its 2 weeks up, I still don’t see any change. Why?
    Well, its not m1t’s fault, there is some mistake on your part. Most people underestimate the simple dictum of eating heavy and eating right. Please make sure that your calorics are adjusted to your body weight and height. I do not need to comment on your nutrition, but make sure that you take in 1.7-2g of Protein /lb of body weight.Roughly around week 2.5 through 4 you should start gains of 1lb/day.
    Make sure your carbs and EFA’s are at a maximum
    You need to drink @ least 1.5 gallons of water while on m1t.

    My cycle is over, I have to keep my gains, how do I do it.
    If you want to keep your gains, make sure you take nolvadex. You will lose a little bloat/size due to water retention attributed to the 4AD. Its good to take creatine and nitrous based compounds or cell volumisers at this point to keep your gains. I have not used CEE, but am looking to do so in the near future.

    I had a very satisfying cycle, my pct made me recover fine, I want to get back into another cycle.
    Well,this is something I've seen in many people, the temptation to use m1t. Sure it does give good results, but you've gotta understand that you have a life apart from bbing. Imho make sure you give a full two month gap between cycles. After all you've got just one liver to use for a lifetime.

    I do not know where to get the necessary supplements/ chems for my PCT.
    Please do not ask on the forums for sources. I will try to help you through secure mail or pm’s.

    I want to know wether I have fully recovered, what should I do?
    If you have the money or if your medical insurace covers it, do a blood work 20-30 days after you stop your pct. Make sure you check your liver and test levels. If it is all back to normal and you have had significant gains, you have had one hell of a cycle!

    Last but not the least, find time to sleep. The body repairs and test is boosted during sleep. When on m1t make sure YOU SLEEP FOR 8 HOURS.

    I am not a doctor and neither do my opinions construe medical advice. These are just my views after using and researching about this product and answering a number of queries from users who were as confused as me when I first started it.




    The m1t checklist :
    m1t
    4AD (optional)
    Milkthistle
    Hawthorne Berry
    Nolvadex
    Saw Palmetto
    Clomid (optional)
    6oxo (optional)
    ZMA (optional)
    Tribulus
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    DAMN great post !!! can we turn this into a thread ? Then we could clear the M1t clutter.
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    Good read.

    If you are being cautious (as I believe you should be with M1T), you should probably add Saw Palmetto to that checklist, dosed at about 320 mg. daily. I would also shelve Tribulus under 'optional', personally.

    I think this article would be a nice addendum to the 'Best of...' thread.
    One point though: with M1T more so than with other erstwhile legal PH/PS, if you have ANY pre-existing blood pressure, prostate, liver, gyno or related conditions whatsoever, STAY THE HELL AWAY. I think most people on here know about a certain teenage member of the board who got gyno from M1T when he was 17 and plans to spend a few grand on surgery to remove it, and now plans to USE IT AGAIN! Words may be lost on that kid in particular, but at least let it be a lesson to others not to f*ck with M1T until they are of an appropriate age.

    Great article, Krzna.
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    I talked to a pro powerlifter in my gym who uses this stuff(he knows what hes talking about because he benches 700) and he said not to go over 5mg a day. Im getting better results with 5mg than I did with 10 previously. People taking over 10mg are just turning their body into a toxic waste dump and wasting anything more than that. Even 10 is a stretch. At only 5mg the liver toxicicity wont be as much of an issue either.
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    thx for your comments guys. I have added SP and Zinc.Lets hope fewer people hurt themselves after m1t!
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    Originally Posted by Duff62269
    I talked to a pro powerlifter in my gym who uses this stuff(he knows what hes talking about because he benches 700) and he said not to go over 5mg a day. Im getting better results with 5mg than I did with 10 previously. People taking over 10mg are just turning their body into a toxic waste dump and wasting anything more than that. Even 10 is a stretch. At only 5mg the liver toxicicity wont be as much of an issue either.
    5mg a day? that seems a bit low.

    Also, if someone has Legal Gear's M1T they can't break the pill in half, it just comes in 10mg.
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    Good post dude.

    I've had to reevaluate dosages for M1T after reading Bill's article in Body of Science magazine. It seems almost every manufacturer was underdosing their product, no wonder the stuff was selling at $10 a bottle!

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    Krzna you deserve rep this is better than skillz's old thread.

    After reading this if anyone wants some M1T hit me up on PM im also advertising on ebay.
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    Why clomid?

    Re:

    *Testicular atrophy a.k.a my balls are shrinking :
    Yes, this is a common side effect of using any prohormone. However this is nothing to worry about. Under normal circumstances, you will get back to your normal size after the PCT.
    Incase of extreme cases the following can be tried.
    Day 1 Clomid @ 300mg
    Week 5 Clomid @ 100mg
    Week 5/6 Clomid @ 50mg


    I have read the Nolva vs Clomid topics, but I haven't found anything that recomends one over the other in the case of atrophy.

    So why use clomid here?


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    Originally Posted by Scrawny1
    Re:

    *Testicular atrophy a.k.a my balls are shrinking :
    Yes, this is a common side effect of using any prohormone. However this is nothing to worry about. Under normal circumstances, you will get back to your normal size after the PCT.
    Incase of extreme cases the following can be tried.
    Day 1 Clomid @ 300mg
    Week 5 Clomid @ 100mg
    Week 5/6 Clomid @ 50mg


    I have read the Nolva vs Clomid topics, but I haven't found anything that recomends one over the other in the case of atrophy.

    So why use clomid here?


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    worked for me, and for a couple of others whom i personally know. Clomid works differently from nolva at different receptor sites.
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    Thanks for taking the time to do this. A very informative post and covers the faq's. If the guys out there actually look for their answers before asking all of the questions, they can find this and there won't be so many posts on m1t asking the same questions.
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    Originally Posted by Duff62269
    People taking over 10mg are just turning their body into a toxic waste dump and wasting anything more than that. Even 10 is a stretch. At only 5mg the liver toxicicity wont be as much of an issue either.
    For the zillionth time, livertoxicity is overrated, yes you have to take supps to protect it during(and after) your cycle, but your liver can take a lot more then you think.
    And why do people always seem to think the dosage is the most damaging factor in 17aa steroids, it's the length you cycle it in that does the most damage.
    You can cycle 5 mg of d-bol for 4 months straight and have permanent liverdamage.
    But you can cycle d-bol at 50 mg a day for 4-6 weeks and be just fine(meaning your liver will recover).
    ( i read a study about this, lemme see if i can find it again)

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    Great thread, very informative and the topic was well covered. You may want to put up some more dosing schemes such as:

    Two on, Two Off
    Week 1: M1T= 5 mg, 4AD= 600mg
    Week 2: M1T= 5/10 mg, 4AD= 600mg
    Week 3: Nolvadex= 40mg, Pro-Liver (3 caps), Tribulus, 6OXO or Clomid
    Week 4: Nolvadex= 20mg, Pro-Liver (3 caps), Tribulus, 6OXO or Clomid
    Week 5: M1T= 5/10 mg 4AD= 600mg
    Week 6: M1T= 5/10 mg 4AD= 600mg
    Week 7: Nolvadex= 40mg, Pro-Liver (3 caps), Tribulus, 6OXO or Clomid
    Week 8: Nolvadex= 20mg, Pro-Liver (3 caps), Tribulus, 6OXO or Clomid
    Note: 3 Pro-Liver Caps contains 1000mg NAC/600mg Milk Thistle

    Also I have noticed some people say they make the most gains in the first three weeks and that the 4th week may not be neccessary. This is purely up to the individual taking it though.

    Great post Krnza.
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    Great thread bro...They wont make this a sticky because It is banned now. Mine was a sticky for awhile but because it was in the supp section they took it down when m1t was considered illegal.
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    i doubt this will be made a sticky since this substance is illegal. very good post though.
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    Originally Posted by SKYWALKER09
    Great thread, very informative and the topic was well covered. You may want to put up some more dosing schemes such as:

    Two on, Two Off
    Week 1: M1T= 5 mg, 4AD= 600mg
    Week 2: M1T= 5/10 mg, 4AD= 600mg
    Week 3: Nolvadex= 40mg, Pro-Liver (3 caps), Tribulus, 6OXO or Clomid
    Week 4: Nolvadex= 20mg, Pro-Liver (3 caps), Tribulus, 6OXO or Clomid
    Week 5: M1T= 5/10 mg 4AD= 600mg
    Week 6: M1T= 5/10 mg 4AD= 600mg
    Week 7: Nolvadex= 40mg, Pro-Liver (3 caps), Tribulus, 6OXO or Clomid
    Week 8: Nolvadex= 20mg, Pro-Liver (3 caps), Tribulus, 6OXO or Clomid
    Note: 3 Pro-Liver Caps contains 1000mg NAC/600mg Milk Thistle

    Also I have noticed some people say they make the most gains in the first three weeks and that the 4th week may not be neccessary. This is purely up to the individual taking it though.

    Great post Krnza.
    I somehow don't feel that this is as effective as running m1t for 4 weeks straight. This is because, the real gains start showing up on week 3 and run into week 4. A two week would be too short. Getting off the ph and trying to restart natural test production and shutting it down again, is kinda unnecessary, but thatz just me.

    I agree with the first 3 weeks concept.Week 3 has it all, and I for one lost my bottle of m1t then, grrrrr
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    Originally Posted by pumped_up
    so your not really 23...?
    Ofcourse i am,what makes you say am not? :O
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    Originally Posted by Gizmo
    For the zillionth time, livertoxicity is overrated, yes you have to take supps to protect it during(and after) your cycle, but your liver can take a lot more then you think.
    And why do people always seem to think the dosage is the most damaging factor in 17aa steroids, it's the length you cycle it in that does the most damage.
    You can cycle 5 mg of d-bol for 4 months straight and have permanent liverdamage.
    But you can cycle d-bol at 50 mg a day for 4-6 weeks and be just fine(meaning your liver will recover).
    ( i read a study about this, lemme see if i can find it again)

    Giz
    Well people have mixed feelings about this. Prior to m1t, if you have abused your liver with alcohol excesses, you might want to be as careful as you can. Plus why abuse it,imho nothing in your body should be abused. When i was running my m1t thread, there was another guy who was doing pretty much the same but he ended up with severe pain and had more complications, hence the thought.
    Personally, i think oral delivery in terms of gains vs sides is not worth it if its a ph.I'd go with Dbol too later in the future.
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    Originally Posted by Krzna
    Well people have mixed feelings about this. Prior to m1t, if you have abused your liver with alcohol excesses, you might want to be as careful as you can. Plus why abuse it,imho nothing in your body should be abused. When i was running my m1t thread, there was another guy who was doing pretty much the same but he ended up with severe pain and had more complications, hence the thought.
    Personally, i think oral delivery in terms of gains vs sides is not worth it if its a ph.I'd go with Dbol too later in the future.
    Well ofcourse i'm not saying you shouldn't be careful, but if you have a healthy liver there shouldn't be any problems running oral AAS for up to 6 weeks, a lot of people run em for 10 even , 6weeks on d-bol and then switching to winstrol for 4 for example(with all the protective supps ofcourse), although with m1t i'm inclined to say only 4 simply because of the sides a lot of people experience.
    And about the alcoholabuse, this would only be a factor if it was recent or you did permanent damage to your liver.

    My liver has been through quite a bit of crap(chemotherapy for instance hence the TC survivor under my name), however i get it tested about every 6 months and it is performing perfectly.
    Regeration of the liver is amazing, as long as you don't abuse it quite a bit.

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