Wanted: Advice on breaking down the V-Shield

[TransformMJ]

Okay, so here's my situation.

Im currently dealing with two prospective women. One of these i have stepped too far into "friend territory" with, so thats pretty much a dead end. The other is an incredibly uptight conservative girl, which for whatever reason just makes me want her more. It must be the thrill of the hunt Problem is, she prides herself on her outstanding morals and her still being a virgin. I've been prodding (sadly no pun intended) trying to break down her resolve, but have only made very little, very slow progress.

How do i go about destroying the V-shield she's hiding behind??? Any suggestions?

[TransformMJ]

Originally Posted by forklift

1. alcohol

2. ignore

Thanks. Tried them both though and neither gave me much joy. Trouble with uptight ones is that they "disapprove" of drinking". I know once you manage to get them on the right path they tend to let loose in a crazy & wild way though so I guess I'll just have to try harder

Oh and ignoring her just pissed her off and made her ignore me.....oh she's good!

[verySMALL]

"i want your sweet pussy lips to squeeze my throbbing cock, just like the giant squids from the family of the Architeuthidae. Your pussy lips will suck onto my cock like the squids tentacles suck on the hull of a sea vessel, squeezing tightly, so tightly, until the pressure amounts and the BOAT EJACULATES ALL OVER YOUR FACE WOOP WOOP"

[TransformMJ]

Originally Posted by forklift

don't play head games with vaginas. stay with the plan. if you can back it up by f*king one of her friends, even better.

Now that sounds like a plan...worst case scenario is she hates me forever, but i'll have stuck it to her friend so I'll have the last laugh anyway!!

[wildphucker]

Step 1.Alcohol.

Step 2.More alcohol.



If that doesn't work, replace alcohol with chloroform and repeat steps 1 and 2.

[Mernalous]

Originally Posted by TransformMJ

Okay, so here's my situation.

Im currently dealing with two prospective women. One of these i have stepped too far into "friend territory" with, so thats pretty much a dead end. The other is an incredibly uptight conservative girl, which for whatever reason just makes me want her more. It must be the thrill of the hunt Problem is, she prides herself on her outstanding morals and her still being a virgin. I've been prodding (sadly no pun intended) trying to break down her resolve, but have only made very little, very slow progress.

How do i go about destroying the V-shield she's hiding behind??? Any suggestions?

Chloroform.

[yomama2]

one-itis.

Go find another chick to mack on. She had her chance and blew it.

[ericTHEninja]

Originally Posted by TransformMJ

Oh and ignoring her just pissed her off and made her ignore me.....oh she's good!

Originally Posted by forklift

if you can back it up by going out with or f*king one of her friends, even better.

The combination of both of those'll do it. Hook it up w/her friend first, start ignoring the uptight chick, then start going after her friend more. She'll come around or tell you to go f yourself. Either way, you've gotta be completely disconnected with the outcome. She knows exactly when you're chasing her.

[BlkDrgn06]

She can't be a stuck up, conservative, "I'm saving myself" b!tch.....................if she's dead.









Just sayin'.

[Bird4Three]

Originally Posted by TransformMJ

How do i go about destroying the V-shield she's hiding behind??? Any suggestions?

Only chance is make her really like you.....then pull away. Easier said then done, but it is your best chance.

[TransformMJ]

Originally Posted by wildphucker

Step 1.Alcohol.

Step 2.More alcohol.



If that doesn't work, replace alcohol with chloroform and repeat steps 1 and 2.

LMFAO!!!! Now if i could just get ahold of some chloroform

Originally Posted by yomama2

one-itis.

Go find another chick to mack on. She had her chance and blew it.

An interesting idea, but like i originally said, the thrill of the hunt wont let me quit!

Originally Posted by ericTHEninja

The combination of both of those'll do it. Hook it up w/her friend first, start ignoring the uptight chick, then start going after her friend more. She'll come around or tell you to go f yourself. Either way, you've gotta be completely disconnected with the outcome. She knows exactly when you're chasing her.

Thanks! Im definately gonna try this, effective immediately!

Originally Posted by BlkDrgn06

She can't be a stuck up, conservative, "I'm saving myself" b!tch.....................if she's dead.

Just sayin'.

Oh my F*CK!!!!! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!REPS!

Originally Posted by Bird4Three

Only chance is make her really like you.....then pull away. Easier said then done, but it is your best chance.

Some good sensible advice, thank you!

[zaeltart]

Originally Posted by TransformMJ

Okay, so here's my situation.

Im currently dealing with two prospective women. One of these i have stepped too far into "friend territory" with, so thats pretty much a dead end. The other is an incredibly uptight conservative girl, which for whatever reason just makes me want her more. It must be the thrill of the hunt Problem is, she prides herself on her outstanding morals and her still being a virgin. I've been prodding (sadly no pun intended) trying to break down her resolve, but have only made very little, very slow progress.

How do i go about destroying the V-shield she's hiding behind??? Any suggestions?

this is a garuntee'd 100% success rate method of breaking the V-shield


tell your girlfriend that if you finger her, she is still a virgin. tell her that her masturbating is fine (she is still a virgin) and that means you fingering her is fine too (she will still be a virgin).

tell her that you want to make her happy by fingering her a little bit


use your finger to give her a g-spot orgasm. if you don't know how to do this yet, you are pathetic and should kill yourself

if you do know how to do it, then you are garuntee'd to get her so horny she will have to **** you after it happens

(if you think you gave her a g-spot orgasm with your finger, and she didn't sex you afterwards, then you never gave her that g-spot orgasm. you are a failure and should kill yourself)

go now young jedi and take care of business

[Jaw-Knee]

Originally Posted by zaeltart

this is a garuntee'd 100% success rate method of breaking the V-shield


tell your girlfriend that if you finger her, she is still a virgin. tell her that her masturbating is fine (she is still a virgin) and that means you fingering her is fine too (she will still be a virgin).

tell her that you want to make her happy by fingering her a little bit


use your finger to give her a g-spot orgasm. if you don't know how to do this yet, you are pathetic and should kill yourself

if you do know how to do it, then you are garuntee'd to get her so horny she will have to **** you after it happens

(if you think you gave her a g-spot orgasm with your finger, and she didn't sex you afterwards, then you never gave her that g-spot orgasm. you are a failure and should kill yourself)

go now young jedi and take care of business

This plan has a big chance of backfiring.

If you get a girl used to getting off by being fingered and/or eaten out, a lot of times she'll only want you to finger her and/or eat her out. In return, she'll blow you, but you won't be getting any chop, with the exception of possible PIITB action. Granted, that's better than nothing, but doing it too much takes away the thrill--it'll ruin PIITB for you.

All that being said, you can play it to your advantage by sending her on a guilt trip.

Her: I only wish there were something I could do for you.

You: Well, there is, but you've already made it clear that you don't want to (combined with a disappointed, maybe even frustrated tone and facial expression).

It's an asshole move, but it works. However, to get to this point, you'll need to be in something along the lines of a relationship, and I don't think that's what you're gunning for.

[bigsexxyy]

girls like that u just gotta earn their trust....especially if shes a virgin shes gunna wanna trust the dude she gave it up to......so my adivice is to tell her some bull**** secrets or someting that makes her feel like she only knows bout u and maybe she'll begin to really trust you cuz u'll make it seem like u trust her.....and than.......bam!!!!!!.......ur golden son.........it worked for me.....just try not to rush it........i know it was hard for me too but it worked but than again ur 22 i was 17 and the girl was 16

[Jaw-Knee]

Originally Posted by bigsexxyy

girls like that u just gotta earn their trust....especially if shes a virgin shes gunna wanna trust the dude she gave it up to......so my adivice is to tell her some bull**** secrets or someting that makes her feel like she only knows bout u and maybe she'll begin to really trust you cuz u'll make it seem like u trust her.....and than.......bam!!!!!!.......ur golden son.........it worked for me.....just try not to rush it........i know it was hard for me too but it worked but than again ur 22 i was 17 and the girl was 16

This man speaks the truth.

[TransformMJ]

Originally Posted by bigsexxyy

girls like that u just gotta earn their trust....especially if shes a virgin shes gunna wanna trust the dude she gave it up to......so my adivice is to tell her some bull**** secrets or someting that makes her feel like she only knows bout u and maybe she'll begin to really trust you cuz u'll make it seem like u trust her.....and than.......bam!!!!!!.......ur golden son.........it worked for me.....just try not to rush it........i know it was hard for me too but it worked but than again ur 22 i was 17 and the girl was 16

Definately good advice. This girl's 22 though, so she's definately gonna be a tougher nut to crack, given her already long track record of holding on to it. That might work in my favor though. Hopefully its working like a pressure cooker and she's just getting hotter and hotter the longer she holds off!!!

[QUOTE=Jaw-Knee;70983003]This plan has a big chance of backfiring.

Originally Posted by Jaw-Knee

This man speaks the truth.

Thanks a lot!! Good to get a 2nd opinion on some of these plans!

[TransformMJ]

Originally Posted by ericTHEninja

The combination of both of those'll do it. Hook it up w/her friend first, start ignoring the uptight chick, then start going after her friend more. She'll come around or tell you to go f yourself. Either way, you've gotta be completely disconnected with the outcome. She knows exactly when you're chasing her.

Man oh man does this **** work!!! Its unbeleivable how jealous some girls can get. Last night i just spoke a lot to her friend, made her laugh etc. and everytime she laughed i swear i saw lightning spark from the V-girl's eyes. LMAO!!! Could you imagine what she would do if i actually did nail her friend??!?!?

[KINGDAN85]

TRANSFORMMJ, first figure out what her OBJECTIONS are for not having sex.

The most common objections are:

"I would love to have sex with you, but..."

1) "I just met you, and we don't know each other well enough."
2) "I normally don't do it on the first date."
3) "Sex is important to me."
4) "If we have sex, that will change things."
5) "I want to be in love with a guy before we have sex."
6) "I just got out of a relationship and I'm not ready."

There are three "Rebuttal Levels" that you can use to overcome these objections. And, in using these three levels, you accomplish three things:

Rebuttal Level 1: You question her maturity.
Rebuttal Level 2: You minimize the significance of sex.
Rebuttal Level 3: You tell her what she wants to hear.

Now, before I go into depth about the rebuttals, there are other helpful tactics that you should be aware of. First of all, when using your rebuttals (once you're in a compromising position with a woman), be aware that the more "mellow" you talk, the more relaxed the woman will be. It's understandable that when the average guy is sexually aroused, it's hard to be "mellow" in your demeanor. But, as a PUA, you must understand the concept of "mind over matter". Also, when a woman seems to have her defense mechanisms up, it's always helful to get he in an affirmative frame of mind.
One way of doing this is to get ehr to answer questions that she can only answer 'yes' to. These are known as "common sense questions". This technique is commonly used by people who work in sales. There's a saying that if you get a person to say'yes' five times, you have them 'sold'. When a salesperson is pitching a product, and is about to close the deal, he will often use the 'five common sense questions' technique on the buyer. This technique can be used in any situation, including a potential sexual encounter. Here are examples of a salesman trying to sell a product, and a PUA trying to "get some ass", by using the "five yes's' technique:

Salesman: "You're a smart person, right?"
Buyer: "Yes."
Salesman: "And you wantto do what's right for your business, right?"
Buyer: "Yes."
Salesman: "You'd like to be more cost effective?"
Buyer: "Yes."
Salesman: "And you'd like to save money, right?"
Buyer: "Yes."
Salesman: "Well, if I can offer you a product that is better for your business, that is more cost-effective, and can save you money, that's something you would be interesed in, right?"
<b>Buyer:</b> "Yes."


(BAM! He got the sale.)

Now here is the same technique used in a potential sexual encounter:

PUA: "You're a mature young lady, right?"
Woman: "Yes."
PUA: "You know what's best for you and your happiness, right?"
Woman: "Yes."
PUA: "You have a genuine interest in me, and you know I have a genuine interest in you, right?"
Woman: "Yes."
PUA: "And we have a good vibe going on so far, right?"
Woman: "Yes."
PUA: "So if a guy stepped up to you that was better for you, that you had a genuine interest in, that had a genuine interest in you, and that had a good vibe going on with you, that's a guy you would wanna be down with, right?"
Woman: "Yes."

(Bam! You got her in the sack)

By asking a woman these types of questions, you give her no choice but to be in agreement with you, because it would make her feel silly if she were to disagree. This is especially so when questioning a woman's maturity. One thing that most women can't stand is being labeled as immature, and they will go to great lenghts to prove their "womanhood".

Also, when you are using rebuttals to overcome her objections, you have to make it seem like it's HER decision to have sex. A woman may become uncomfortable when she feels pressured in any way. And whatever you do, don't act as if you are desperate for the "coochie". Grabbing, panting and pleading a woman for sex only makes you look like an AFC.

The following rebuttals should be recited VERBATIM if you are not a PUA. Oce you've gotten the hang of being a PUA, you can then spice it up with some of your own flavor. If you are in a 'compromising position' with a woman, and you recite these rebuttals word-for-word, your sex ratio is guaranteed to increase significantly.

If she says: "I would love to have sex with you, but..."

"I just met you, and we don't know each other well enough yet."

YOU SAY: (using rebuttal level 3): "Look, (her name here), let's say, hypothetically, we waited three months down the line to become intimate. If I'm an ******* now, I'm going to be an ******* three months from now. If I'm a great guy now, I'm still going to be a great guy three months from now. And I don't believe that you would be with me now if you didn't think I was a great guy. We have a good vibe going on right now, and we should continue that vibe."

IF SHE SAYS: "I have a rule that I normally don't do it on the first date."

YOU SAY (using rebuttal level 1): "I like a woman who is spontaneous. I don't like 'girls' who hold on to prerequisites about doing what they feel. I like a spontaneous woman, because spontaneity is a sign of maturity, and maturity in a woman is sexy to me. And a woman who is mature enough to do what she wants to do, when she wants to do it, is very sexy to me."

IF SHE SAYS: "Sex is important to me."

YOU SAY (using rebuttal level 2): "Y'know, people place too much emphasis on sex. The act of sex is as common and as natural as drinking water. Rabbits have sex. Ants have sex. Fleas have sex. Nearly every living species on the planet has sex, so sex shouldn't be used as a trump card in a relationship."

IF SHE SAYS: "If we have sex, that will change things."

YOU SAY (using rebuttal level 3): "A good relationship should be based on two people's ability to communicate and get along with each other mentally and spiritually. 'Getting intimate' is just the icing on the cake."

IF SHE SAYS: "I have to be in love with a guy before I have sex."

YOU SAY (using rebuttal level 2): "Look, sex is not an accomplishment in a relationship. Maintaining a bond with your mate should be the main accomplishment, and 'getting intimate' is just a method to maintain that bond. We have a good vibe going on right now, and we should continue that bond."

IF SHE SAYS: "I just got out of a relationship and I'm not ready yet."

YOU SAY (using rebuttal level 1): "You seem like a young lady who is mature enough to move on and not linger in the past. Now, I'm not saying this to try to convince you of anything. I just hope that you are mature enough to make decisions based on your own reasoning and not on past hurts."

As I mentioned earlier, these rebuttals are guaranteed to work if you use them properly and in the right context. It's also important to note that when you are using these rebuttals, alsays give the impression that you are not trying to convince the woman to have sex with you. Alsways make its seem like you're speaking in a hypothetical sense. This is why it is so important to end each rebuttal with the statements such as "We have a good vibe, and we should just let it flow" or "we should let our vibe flow naturally." Unless you are a PUA never make direct statements relating to the two of you having sex, such as "C'mon, let's do this" or "You know you wanna do it." This makes a woman feel like you are pressuring her. So this is why it is important to keep your comments in a hypothetical context, because this makes the female feel like it's her decision to engage in "relations". And, whatever you do, never, ever beg a female for coochie. (This, by the way, can get your PUA license revoked and/or suspended) PUAs don't have to beg. Never give a woman the impression that she's doing you a favor by "giving you some." She will get as much pleasure out of the sexual act as you will. So, convey the message that this will be an experience you both will share.

Now, there are many instances where a woman really doesn't want to "do it," and you should take heed to these messages. These are the cases where "no" does mean "no", and you should take the woman's word for it, and "back off that ass".

Here is a list of the top five objections women use when they REALLY don't want to have sex (and the ones that you should take heed to):

1) "It's that time of the month"
2) "I have gas"
3) "The clinic results aren't back yet"
4) "I don't feel 'fresh' down there"
5) "I need the money up front"

[TransformMJ]

KINGDAN85, you sir, are a legend. Thanks!!!

[subterfuge]

strong post Kingdan85.

Personally, if she doesn't drink, Im thinking you dont have a shot OP. Your best hope was to get her plastered, tell her you were adopted or something and that she is the only friend who knows and then make a serious move on her.

[TransformMJ]

Originally Posted by subterfuge

Personally, if she doesn't drink, Im thinking you dont have a shot OP. Your best hope was to get her plastered, tell her you were adopted or something and that she is the only friend who knows and then make a serious move on her.

A good point. I can get her to drink on occasion though so will keep pushing. The biggest obstacle i have is that she's a virgin for religious reasons. Now THAT is the most impossible barrier to break down i can think of.

[KINGDAN85]

TransformMJ: What do you mean by religion? She wants to be married before she has sex? In that case, refer to Objection 3 and 5.

But I gotta admit, that's a tough cookie.

[nnjj112255kkllo9]

God damn technical virgins / christian virgins....theyll do everything put "real" intercourse.