EC while doing cutting PH cycle?

[stangman6816]

A good friend of mine bought some PH's to do a cutting cycle with before the ban. Not gonna go into the specifics on it, but he was wondering if EC or something similiar should be used during or after or neither the cycle.

and btw, i know some dickhead is gonna try to say its me doing the cycle. Its not, and leave it at that.

[pu12en12g]

No

Although stimulants CAN be used, they shouldn't be used.

FYI:

Why to save PH / PS for bulking:

1. Cutting calories lowers test levels already.

2. The argument can be made for taking androgens under almost any condition (an example would be the questionable prescription of Methyltest for Hypogonadism), but to get the best bang for the buck, common sense dictates that we take them on a calorie surplus after a plateau in strength and/or size.

3. Both Cardio and a Calorie Deficit usually accompany a cutting cycle. Cardio or Calorie Deficit will EACH most certainly hinder gains but you'll still make some gains....HOWEVER: doing BOTH is almost asking to add virtually no muscle mass. Cardio 20 minutes a day on ~2500? cals - with what is your body supposed to use to put on lean muscle?

4. Hormones are not to be taken lightly. they tamper with a very sensitive chemical system and can have far-reaching negative impacts if not used properly. If i could accomplish through diet what i can with PH, i would just use diet. I can put on __lbs in __ weeks using absolutely perfect diet and non-hormonal substances, but thats about it, and i will lose those pounds if i dont keep that diet absolutely perfect (ever tried this? eat like an absolute champ for a month and watch the muscle pack on, only to be lost if you return to previous, maintainable diet?). PH use puts on pounds that, if done right, dont go away even with simple caloric maintenance (still high of course) and contrary to caloric increases: when the cycle is over, you will NOT be fatter than when you started (this is through diet manipluation - something many fail to do properly and end up a little fatter, necessitating cutting cycles) if you look at guys who have juiced in the past - many of them are STILL muscular, even if their diets go to ****.

That's why we should extract the most possible results from a PH cycle. You only get to do ___ # of them and the fat/water lbs you put on will come off very easily (EC / YC stack / Nicotine / Clen).

5. Thermogenics can mess with your blood pressure, and so can PH / PS = not good.

In summary... if you're gonna spend the money and take the time and the risk: maximize the benefit during a bulking phase

[Lok7y]

I respectfully disagree with the above.

Unfortunately I am too busy at the moment to compose a thorough counter-argument. Perhaps tomorrow if I have time.

[pu12en12g]

Here is just one example that first got me thinking about it...

Thinking about dropping San's Tight.

I had insomnia on Monday and only slept 5 hours. No insomnia on Tuesday, fell asleep easy and got 8.5 hours of sleep. Wednesday night, I have insomnia right now.

Also, the breathing problems were worse on Monday+Wednesday than on Tuesday.

I THINK SAN'S TIGHT IS A GREAT PRODUCT! I'm not trying to bash it. I just think that Methyl-1-test and San's Tight have a lot of the same properties.

They both cause sweating, they both increase body temp, they both increase heart rate, and they both can make breathing awkward.

So what I'm getting is double the thermogenic effect that I need.

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