I don't know much about roids. Several of my buddies and workout partners cycle on and off. But are all steroid synthetic? Is there a potent natural supplement or natural roid out there that is illegal? Or am I asking a ridiculous question?
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06-30-2002, 01:18 PM #1Registered User
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Is there a natural steroid out there?
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06-30-2002, 01:25 PM #2Registered User
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Natural Steroid?
WTF does that mean?
By natural do you mean legal or do you mean chemical?
Define natural and define synthetic first and perhaps we can help...
Oh and what is your age?Last edited by Drewski; 06-30-2002 at 01:27 PM.
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06-30-2002, 01:29 PM #3Registered User
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By natural I mean naturally occurring, and not synthetically or chemically made up. Is there a steroid that is naturally occurring, possibly a combination of some natural supplements.
I could care less about legal.
Or does steroid mean...synthetic?
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The definition for steroid is chemical, something to do with carbon structures or something (someone else chime in here). I don't thinking that knowing its definition will help though.
Naturally occuring?
By that do you mean naturally occurring within the body - a hormone for example? If you mean that I believe that certain PH's would suit that category. Again, someone else help me out here...
Or by naturally occurring do you mean, from an organic/plant extract? If so, I don't think that there is a feasible option for you, unless you believe the ecdysterone hype...
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06-30-2002, 01:36 PM #5Registered User
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Oh and steroid queries should ideally go to the STEROIDS forum...
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06-30-2002, 01:56 PM #6Registered User
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yes, cholesterol.
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06-30-2002, 02:22 PM #7Registered User
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21 vegetarianOriginally posted by Drewski
The definition for steroid is chemical, something to do with carbon structures or something (someone else chime in here). I don't thinking that knowing its definition will help though.
Naturally occuring?
By that do you mean naturally occurring within the body - a hormone for example? If you mean that I believe that certain PH's would suit that category. Again, someone else help me out here...
Or by naturally occurring do you mean, from an organic/plant extract? If so, I don't think that there is a feasible option for you, unless you believe the ecdysterone hype...
Again what is your age?
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06-30-2002, 04:27 PM #8Registered User
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Listen if you want to grow you need to train and eat the rights foods and lots of them. No natural products have been shown thus far to effectivly increase testosterone in the body. Androstenine products were though to for a while but recent studies they do not. You can maximize what your body is naturally capable of with products like ZMA and Tribbules. If you are looking to grow the way of steroids, you need take steroids, which are all chemical synthetic drugs. Even with those, you need to train hard and eat the right foods and lots of them.
Bottom line, a hard body requires hard work.If you always talk about how you could be in great shape if you just worked out and ate right, why don't you just work out and eat right?
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06-30-2002, 04:31 PM #9The Physique Architect
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testosterone, progesterone, estrogen are all natural steroids. The steroids you buy illegally are synthetically made in a lab. I don't think that is your question though, your asking is there a steroid that you can buy that is legal or that is considered natural. 1-testosterone is legal. But by the nature of your question i would say you should do some more research before you make a stupid decision.
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06-30-2002, 06:38 PM #10Banned
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they used to collect GH out of cadavers (sp?) but i think thats rarely done now since you can get creutzfeld-jacob disease (sp???)
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ABCDE
Jag, the only thing that I can think of is the ABCDE diet, which you can read about here: http://www.musclemedia.com/training/abcde/v58_abc1.asp
It's a diet using nothing but normal food that's supposed to <i>flood your body with a natural, powerful "hormone cocktail"</i> (their words, not mine). I'm actually going to try it myself in the fall. Read up on it, I think you and other natural bodybuilders will find it interesting.
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07-01-2002, 07:41 AM #12Registered User
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Sounds a little overrated if you ask me. You pig out for two weeks, then diet for two weeks? But who knows, maybe it works. I don't understand how you can make it on only 1500-2000 calories a day while continuing to work out. Seems like you are only starving the body. 2000 calories won't hardly allow enough carbs and protein for a working man who hits the gym every day as well. Let us know how it works for you.
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07-01-2002, 08:50 AM #13Registered User
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i was gonna be a butthole and say cell-tech with its 1750% muscle gains, but i better not sarcastic
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07-01-2002, 09:59 AM #14Potentate
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I get the impression you're more looking for a food-type substance containing test or something like it, as opposed to the purified hormone. I don't know that there are any, much less any with enough hormone in them to be effective.
Because once purified, there's no difference at all between a molecule made by "synthetic" means and one that has been purified following extraction from a plant, animal, bacteria, fungus, etc. Some folks may choose to believe that one source or the other may be preferable for moral or ethical reasons, but if the chemical hormone is pure, regardless of the source, it's the same.
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Vegetarian? That's you ****ed then...Originally posted by Jag
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07-01-2002, 11:41 AM #16Registered User
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Don't get me started on that over-hyped BS. I hate that every magazine out there is just loaded with 10 page centerfold articles of Muscletech's product line. It is the same **** over and over. Muscle-Tech must be paying a pretty penny to broadcast their own biased studies into every magazine on the market.Originally posted by linedrive
i was gonna be a butthole and say cell-tech with its 1750% muscle gains, but i better not sarcastic
So Muscle-Tech mixs dextrose with their creatine and their you get 1750% more effective boost in your creatine! Please...
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I am actually looking for a little pill that comes from some plant found in New Zealand or Australia that is illegal because of its potent ability to alter hormonal levels. You know, something that blows Sustanol 250 off the charts.:-)Originally posted by DaddyR
I get the impression you're more looking for a food-type substance containing test or something like it, as opposed to the purified hormone. I don't know that there are any, much less any with enough hormone in them to be effective.
Because once purified, there's no difference at all between a molecule made by "synthetic" means and one that has been purified following extraction from a plant, animal, bacteria, fungus, etc. Some folks may choose to believe that one source or the other may be preferable for moral or ethical reasons, but if the chemical hormone is pure, regardless of the source, it's the same.
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07-01-2002, 01:03 PM #18Potentate
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Haven't heard of any myself, and I would be highly suspicious of it. If it hasn't been mentioned here or on the steroids board, I tend to doubt that it's any good.Originally posted by Jag
I am actually looking for a little pill that comes from some plant found in New Zealand or Australia that is illegal because of its potent ability to alter hormonal levels. You know, something that blows Sustanol 250 off the charts.:-)
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07-02-2002, 04:35 AM #19Registered User
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Check out my homepage
Jag, maybe this will help. On my homepage I've listed all the ways you can naturally raise your testosterone. I actually had it there for awhile, I just forgot about it.Here it is:
http://www.geocities.com/rinkjustice1/
(under random brainfarts)
Testosterone, as you probably already know, is the key hormone to building muscle... I also plan to document everything about the ABCDE diet on my website too, but I'm not going to attempt it for several months still.
Good luck bro.
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