Already on crea-mono and protein.. whats the next step?

**85_305** · 02-05-2005, 10:24 AM

Ok.. I am currently taking AST's Creatine Mono, soon to be on VPX's CEX, and I take ON's 100%. What is the next step to building muscle; steroid or not.
Thanx all,
Matt

**AcuDoc** · 02-05-2005, 10:44 AM

lift heavy on a 3 day split, eat like it's your job and sleep 7-9 hrs./day.

**macapollo** · 02-05-2005, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by 85_305

Ok.. I am currently taking AST's Creatine Mono, soon to be on VPX's CEX, and I take ON's 100%. What is the next step to building muscle; steroid or not.
Thanx all,
Matt

patience is key.Proper diet and exercise routine above all else.Throw some efa"s,and a multi(if not taking).You have a long way before steroids comes to play.

**85_305** · 02-05-2005, 10:52 AM

I am currently taking some "healthy ideas" vitamin. I know you guys will think it is trash, but it has very high percentages of the vitamins in it, and I figured it was better than nothing.

**bdpettit** · 02-05-2005, 11:11 AM

You have a long way to go before you should even think about using steroids. You are already taking two things that will help you get great gains. You might want to try to take a glutamine supplement. I have not used glutamine yet, but I have heard many great things about it. Do a search to find out more.

Nitric Oxide is another way that you could go. It is a little pricy, but if you use it correctly you can get some really good gains out of it. I am currently on my second bottle of BSN's Nitrix and I love it. It was about 40 bucks a bottle on bodybuilding.com, but I have got some great gains out of it. I am much more vascular. I have veins that I can see in my chest and shoulders, and the veins that I had in my arms are a lot more full and pronounced. I have noticed a significant increase in strength and size. Very good product if you can afford it.

I would like to clear up one misconception about nitric oxide products. They do not make you any bigger; not at all. They simply provide more blood flow to carry the protein, creatine, and multivitamin to the muscle. The protein and creatine is what makes the muscle grow. The NO just makes it easier to get there.

You could also try some sort of natural testosterone booster. I am also taking tribulus terrestris. It is only like 8-10 dollars on bodybuilding.com. It is a small investment and has been proven to work. I have not been on it long enough to give you my personal experience with it.

There are a lot of different things out there for you to advance your training. You just have to do some research and find out what is the best for you in terms of price and what it will do for you. Goood Luck.

If I was helpful, reps will be appreciated.

**MuscleCyko** · 02-05-2005, 11:24 AM

you should have a workout rountine which allows you to make gains with NO SUPPLEMENTS. Then add in protein, then add in creatine. The next step would prob. be something like Animal Stack 2. maybe no2, but i don't think you will bennefit off that as much as animal stack 2

**85_305** · 02-05-2005, 11:26 AM

Dude.. tribulus terrestris is for "increasing your sex drive" according to bb.com, lol. But it does say it increases your strength and stamina. How does it work, etc?? How effective is it?

Isn't Animal Stack 2 just a multi?

EDIT: And btw, I have a really good workout routine; I am gaining about -+2lbs a week

**ford4life** · 02-05-2005, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by 85_305

Dude.. tribulus terrestris is for "increasing your sex drive" according to bb.com, lol. But it does say it increases your strength and stamina. How does it work, etc?? How effective is it?

Isn't Animal Stack 2 just a multi?

EDIT: And btw, I have a really good workout routine; I am gaining about -+2lbs a week

stak 2 is a natural test pack

if your gaining 2lbs a week then whats the problem

**85_305** · 02-05-2005, 12:04 PM

What is a "natural stak pack"?

Is 2lbs a week good for gains? I dont think it seems that good, especially since I really dont feel stronger, or look stronger. My g/f tells me otherwise, and a few people I workout with say I am looking really big, but that is only cuz they are REALLY small (skinny).

**bdpettit** · 02-05-2005, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by 85_305

Dude.. tribulus terrestris is for "increasing your sex drive" according to bb.com, lol. But it does say it increases your strength and stamina. How does it work, etc?? How effective is it?

Isn't Animal Stack 2 just a multi?

EDIT: And btw, I have a really good workout routine; I am gaining about -+2lbs a week

You are correct, Tribulus will increase your sex drive, but that is only due to the increased testosterone levels. The extra testosterone will help you develop lean muscle mass too. The extra sex drive is just an extra incentive to taking it. The main reason that bodybuilders take it is for the extra testosterone. Tribulus is usually used with another form of test booster or in a stack with protein, creatine, etc.

**85_305** · 02-05-2005, 12:38 PM

Ok, I guess that makes sence to me

But does anyone know how effective it is (for the majority of people)?
Is tribulus illegal by chance? I though all this Hormone stuff was banned now (unfortunatly).
Is there any adverse side effects of this Tribulus on a 17 year old?
What is a good brand of it?
Matt

**bdpettit** · 02-05-2005, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by 85_305

Ok, I guess that makes sence to me

But does anyone know how effective it is (for the majority of people)?
Is tribulus illegal by chance? I though all this Hormone stuff was banned now (unfortunatly).
Is there any adverse side effects of this Tribulus on a 17 year old?
What is a good brand of it?
Matt

The tribulus is perfectly legal. Here is some info from bodybuilding.com

Tribulus terrestris is a perennial trailing plant that grows predeminantly in India & Africa. Tribulus is mentioned in ancient Indian Ayurvedic medical texts dating back throusands of years as a traditional herbal used by indigenous people. It has become increasingly popular with athletes and males for natural testosterone enhancement, which leads to a variety of benefits including muscle gains and increased sexual function. Still, even more studies into it's uses are ongoing.

The tribulus and other NATURAL test boosters are still available. The PH's were not natural substances.

Being 17, it may not be a good idea to take it yet. It won't hurt you, but it may not do you good either. Your test levels are already very high. You may be wasting your time taking trib, but as I said, it won't hurt to try.

A good one to use that is also cheap is NOW's tribulus. It is only $8, so you may want to go ahead and try it since it is so cheap. That is the kind that I am presently taking.

**Bodybuilder999** · 02-05-2005, 05:24 PM

10 mgs of m1t will do it for you.

**R_N_S** · 02-05-2005, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Bodybuilder999

10 mgs of m1t will do it for you.

good advice dipsh*t

**85_305** · 02-06-2005, 05:41 PM

Thanx for the info bdpettit.. but like you said, being 17 my test levels are already high. But then again, it would prolly be even better to have EVEN HIGHER levels of test.. but I dunno.

What exactly is the M1T i keep hearing about? Dont you loose your gains after you stop taking it?

**R_N_S** · 02-06-2005, 06:27 PM

it's illegal, forget about it

**85_305** · 02-06-2005, 06:37 PM

Ahh.. ok, lol.

**AcuDoc** · 02-06-2005, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by rippednshredded

it's illegal, forget about it

Not only illegal but hell on your kidneys and liver. Stay away from that rat poison.

**R_N_S** · 02-06-2005, 07:27 PM

illegal scares off people more than that does

**85_305** · 02-06-2005, 07:37 PM

Lol, I guess Illegal *would* scare off most people.. *most* people (haha)
But what exactly is it? What does it do, etc??

**R_N_S** · 02-06-2005, 07:45 PM

its methyl 1 test, it's a prohormone, it wreaks havoc on your liver and balls

**85_305** · 02-07-2005, 11:35 AM

Ah, well that stinks, lol. But is it true that the muscles you get from taking it go away after you finish it?

**R_N_S** · 02-07-2005, 12:10 PM

no, with proper PCT you'll retain most of what you gained, if you're honestly interested just research prohormones

**85_305** · 02-07-2005, 05:55 PM

No, I am not interested if it is going to screw with my body in a negative way.

**R_N_S** · 02-07-2005, 06:15 PM

and it will very much so

**85_305** · 02-07-2005, 06:39 PM

Ya, screw that crap. But I just bought some Dymatize Xpand.. so that should prolly be a good boost. Plus, I just ordered some more protein; ON Vanilla instead of the chocolate.

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