Sammy Sosa

JoshT · 08-08-2007, 05:03 PM

anyone else think sammy sosa is the greatest homerun hitter of all time? I do. three consecutive seasons of 60 + homeruns, 20 home runs in a month he is the greatest..MVP award

ChicagoCubz · 08-08-2007, 05:05 PM

U stupid?

**** corky

Mr.Olympia23 · 08-08-2007, 05:05 PM

Mark McGwire

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JoshT · 08-08-2007, 05:06 PM

im gonna have to neg you for that comment even tho ur a cubs fan to...he picked up the wrong bat you moron...he was a heroe in chicago..

FlexinMike · 08-08-2007, 05:07 PM

How long have you had this problem?

ChicagoCubz · 08-08-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshT

im gonna have to neg you for that comment even tho ur a cubs fan to...he picked up the wrong bat you moron...he was a heroe in chicago..

Oh noes, neg for me?

Big_Jim · 08-08-2007, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshT

im gonna have to neg you for that comment even tho ur a cubs fan to...he picked up the wrong bat you moron...he was a heroe in chicago..

wrong the southside hates sosa and his old gay ass team

JoshT · 08-08-2007, 05:09 PM

doin alright for the rangers low average but better than i thought he would do... 16 HR 72 RBI's....

pittsburgh_muscle25 · 08-08-2007, 05:10 PM

and a corked bat? wtf is wrong with baseball today

cman1787 · 08-08-2007, 05:11 PM

Babe Ruth. dude was a pitcher his first 7 years. he could have got to 800

Mr.Olympia23 · 08-08-2007, 05:15 PM

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Babe Ruth. dude was a pitcher his first 7 years. he could have got to 800

Hell yes

The japanese baseball player from the Tokyo Giants had 867 I believe, he is the alltime champ.

kethnaab · 08-08-2007, 05:27 PM

Sadahiru Oh, but he was playing against what amounts to AAA ball competition, much like Ruth did in the early century

JoshT · 08-08-2007, 05:38 PM

Sosa has so many big game homerun shots

Howard 6 · 08-08-2007, 05:45 PM

People need to realize baseball did not begin in 1995. Willie Mays, Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, and Ted Williams are the best HR hitters of all time. Mays hit 660 while missing 2 years due to war and playing in a pitchers park in candlestick. Williams hit I believe 521 while missing 4.5 years due to war.

kethnaab · 08-08-2007, 06:06 PM

Howard brings up some great points about Mays and Williams. Both of them certainly had a chance at the record that Aaron held (eventually).

However, realistically speaking, Ted Williams had one season where he broke 40 home runs. It is fair to estimate that he would've averaged about 35 during the WWII period, and it is generous to suggest 30 for the 2 years during Korea. That's an additional 165 homers, which would put him just past Say Hey, but not up to Ruth or Aaron.

Willie Mays did not miss those years during his prime, however. It was just at the start of his career. Now certainly he would have done extraordinarily well those seasons, probably averaging 35-40 in each of those 2 seasons, which would put him just under Aaron. It is not reasonable to assume he would've averaged 45 because he only broke 45 4 times in a 22-year career.

Oh yeah, Bonds hit the vast majority of his homers in the same pitcher's ballpark.

As for why, despite his dominance, I don't think Ruth belongs (despite being the most dominant athlete of all-time), please see the other post on this subject (specifically the Barry Bonds anti-haters thread)

Mr.Olympia23 · 08-08-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kethnaab

Howard brings up some great points about Mays and Williams. Both of them certainly had a chance at the record that Aaron held (eventually).

However, realistically speaking, Ted Williams had one season where he broke 40 home runs. It is fair to estimate that he would've averaged about 35 during the WWII period, and it is generous to suggest 30 for the 2 years during Korea. That's an additional 165 homers, which would put him just past Say Hey, but not up to Ruth or Aaron.

Willie Mays did not miss those years during his prime, however. It was just at the start of his career. Now certainly he would have done extraordinarily well those seasons, probably averaging 35-40 in each of those 2 seasons, which would put him just under Aaron. It is not reasonable to assume he would've averaged 45 because he only broke 45 4 times in a 22-year career.

Oh yeah, Bonds hit the vast majority of his homers in the same pitcher's ballpark.

As for why, despite his dominance, I don't think Ruth belongs (despite being the most dominant athlete of all-time), please see the other post on this subject (specifically the Barry Bonds anti-haters thread)

Ted Williams = Greatest Hitter EVER

Just wondering, how come on ESPN no one mentions mighty Mickey Mantle anymore???

kethnaab · 08-08-2007, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Olympia23

Ted Williams = Greatest Hitter EVER

*salute* amen to that.

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Just wondering, how come on ESPN no one mentions mighty Mickey Mantle anymore???

vareity of reasons probably.

1) Lack of longevity
2) People HAD to pitch to him. They couldn't throw around him like Aaron, Mays, Bonds and Ruth, who always batted cleanup
3) Personal problems brought about by his..."habits"

Funny little factoid. Barry Bonds was walked 1000 more times in his career than Hank Aaron.

JuanDenver · 08-08-2007, 06:22 PM

when he was on roids....possibly.

when he was off roids...no.

Howard 6 · 08-08-2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kethnaab

Howard brings up some great points about Mays and Williams. Both of them certainly had a chance at the record that Aaron held (eventually).

However, realistically speaking, Ted Williams had one season where he broke 40 home runs. It is fair to estimate that he would've averaged about 35 during the WWII period, and it is generous to suggest 30 for the 2 years during Korea. That's an additional 165 homers, which would put him just past Say Hey, but not up to Ruth or Aaron.

Willie Mays did not miss those years during his prime, however. It was just at the start of his career. Now certainly he would have done extraordinarily well those seasons, probably averaging 35-40 in each of those 2 seasons, which would put him just under Aaron. It is not reasonable to assume he would've averaged 45 because he only broke 45 4 times in a 22-year career.

Oh yeah, Bonds hit the vast majority of his homers in the same pitcher's ballpark.

As for why, despite his dominance, I don't think Ruth belongs (despite being the most dominant athlete of all-time), please see the other post on this subject (specifically the Barry Bonds anti-haters thread)

I pretty much agree with your post. However, I did forget to mention Josh Gibson in my post as well, but we will never know how many he did hit. He was playnig ofcourse in the Negro leagues, but still he is credited with 800 homers and people say Ruth had it easy because he didn't play against any blacks.

Mr.Olympia23 · 08-08-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Howard 6

I pretty much agree with your post. However, I did forget to mention Josh Gibson in my post as well, but we will never know how many he did hit. He was playnig ofcourse in the Negro leagues, but still he is credited with 800 homers and people say Ruth had it easy because he didn't play against any blacks.

What?!? Blacks are supposidly better at baseball or something? *confused*

kethnaab · 08-08-2007, 06:31 PM

no.

What he is saying is what I have said on several occasions. Ruth hit his homeruns against racially limited and significantly inferior opponents as compared to Mays, Aaron and now Bonds.

and one thing that everyone seems to be forgetting here...steroids alone don't do **** for you if you DON'T LIFT WEIGHTS.

I know, mentioning that fact on a bodybuilding wbsite is just silly, but nonetheless...Barry isn't all that big. He could've easily gotten that big by using a smart training program and sound nutrition.

Remember, we ARE talking about an elite athlete with phenominal genetics, right?

Mr.Olympia23 · 08-08-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kethnaab

no.

What he is saying is what I have said on several occasions. Ruth hit his homeruns against racially limited and significantly inferior opponents as compared to Mays, Aaron and now Bonds.

and one thing that everyone seems to be forgetting here...steroids alone don't do **** for you if you DON'T LIFT WEIGHTS.

I know, mentioning that fact on a bodybuilding wbsite is just silly, but nonetheless...Barry isn't all that big. He could've easily gotten that big by using a smart training program and sound nutrition.

Remember, we ARE talking about an elite athlete with phenominal genetics, right?

I just dont like Barry Bonds, even if he did hit 756 hr's naturally...the way he acts is just awful.

McGwire had better vibe, making him likeable.

kethnaab · 08-08-2007, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Olympia23

I just dont like Barry Bonds, even if he did hit 756 hr's naturally...the way he acts is just awful.

McGwire had better vibe, making him likeable.

okay, so it's not about the steroids, it's about a personal dislike. At least you admit it.

BEhave · 08-08-2007, 06:36 PM

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Mark McGwire

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fail

Mr.Olympia23 · 08-08-2007, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kethnaab

okay, so it's not about the steroids, it's about a personal dislike. At least you admit it.

I really dont care to be honest, hell I would try my best to do everything/anything to try and hit the balls like barry does.

Who wouldnt?

WEAKA5HELL · 08-08-2007, 06:42 PM

At some point we will see Barry in a better light. Muhammed Ali was also hated by many people, but I really don't think anyone dislikes him anymore. Although, that may have to do with sympathy for his Parkinson's disease, but even before his condition got as bad as it is today, I don't think he was as hated as he was during his era.

Back to baseball, Stan Musial is the best hitter of all time. Home runs are over rated. When was the last time the team with the league leader in home runs (split it up into AL and NL instead of MLB if you want) won the world series? I think that besides Pujols, who I'm not even sure if he did it, you are looking back pretty far.

I posted something in the Barry Bonds vs. Brett Favre thread about how Bonds has tested positive for amphetamines (since deleted), but the punishment is a warning so not many people cared. If there were an actual punishment like if he did AAS then you could argue about an asterisk, otherwise he just did something immoral and beat the system.

I'm surprised at such a large baseball following in the misc, I might post here more often.

JoshT · 08-08-2007, 06:52 PM

cant stand bonds hes the biggest fraud in baseball...i mean the guy never hit more than 45 homeruns in his first 8 years and then he busts out of no where and hits 75 lol...big difference...that 1998 homerun race was fun to watch even tho sosa lost atleast the cubs had somethin to play for they made the wild card that year while the cardinals missed the playoffs

kethnaab · 08-08-2007, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshT

cant stand bonds hes the biggest fraud in baseball...i mean the guy never hit more than 45 homeruns in his first 8 years and then he busts out of no where and hits 75 lol...big difference...that 1998 homerun race was fun to watch even tho sosa lost atleast the cubs had somethin to play for they made the wild card that year while the cardinals missed the playoffs

ahahaha...wow, strong stupidity. Let's clear up a few things and point you out as a typical hypocrite.

1) It was 73 home runs, not 75, and he had hit more than 45 home runs twice prior to his record setting season

2) You realize that Big Mac and Sammy Sosa were juicing, right? Weren't they frauds too, or are you selectively applying your bias wherever you choose?

3) Roger Maris held the single season record with 61 home runs. His next best season was 39 home runs. "lol....big difference"

A few little factoids:

Barry Bonds was in his 16th season as a pro when he had his best home run season ever.

Hank Aaron was in his 18th season as a pro when he had his best home run season ever.

Willie Mays was in his 14th season as a pro when he had his best home run season ever.

Babe Ruth was in his 14th season as a pro when he had his best home run season ever.

So, the 4 most prolific home run hitters in MLB history all experienced a major power spike later in their careers. I wonder who else this happened to...

Mickey Mantle - 11th season
Harmon Killebrew - 11th and 16th seasons (tied)
Frank Robinson - 11th season - ironically, that was the only season his entire career when he hit more than 40 HR in a season

So wow...it wasn't just Barry that experienced a power spike in the last half of his career, eh? How intriguing...hey, George Foster hit 52 home runs for the Reds once. The season before he hit 29, the season after he hit 40 and 30...and never hit more than 30 before or after that.

On a side note, if you ever find an anabolic steroid that can hit the ball for me, let me know! I'm interested!

JoshT · 08-08-2007, 09:48 PM

sorry sir i guess i didnt research every homerun hitter and their breakthrough difference

solidus2k3 · 08-08-2007, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kethnaab

ahahaha...wow, strong stupidity. Let's clear up a few things and point you out as a typical hypocrite.

1) It was 73 home runs, not 75, and he had hit more than 45 home runs twice prior to his record setting season

2) You realize that Big Mac and Sammy Sosa were juicing, right? Weren't they frauds too, or are you selectively applying your bias wherever you choose?

3) Roger Maris held the single season record with 61 home runs. His next best season was 39 home runs. "lol....big difference"

A few little factoids:

Barry Bonds was in his 16th season as a pro when he had his best home run season ever.

Hank Aaron was in his 18th season as a pro when he had his best home run season ever.

Willie Mays was in his 14th season as a pro when he had his best home run season ever.

Babe Ruth was in his 14th season as a pro when he had his best home run season ever.

So, the 4 most prolific home run hitters in MLB history all experienced a major power spike later in their careers. I wonder who else this happened to...

Mickey Mantle - 11th season
Harmon Killebrew - 11th and 16th seasons (tied)
Frank Robinson - 11th season - ironically, that was the only season his entire career when he hit more than 40 HR in a season

So wow...it wasn't just Barry that experienced a power spike in the last half of his career, eh? How intriguing...hey, George Foster hit 52 home runs for the Reds once. The season before he hit 29, the season after he hit 40 and 30...and never hit more than 30 before or after that.

On a side note, if you ever find an anabolic steroid that can hit the ball for me, let me know! I'm interested!

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