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    stinging nettle?

    Anyone use a product called activate with stinging nettle root exract ?

    How have you experienced the root or the product in terms of increasing lean mass ?




    "Nettle root extracts have been extensively studied in human clinical trials as a treatment for symptoms of benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH). These extracts have been shown to help relieve symptoms compared to placebo both by themselves and when combined with other herbal medicines.[4]

    Because it contains 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran, certain extracts of the nettle are used by bodybuilders in an effort to increase free testosterone by occupying sex-hormone binding globulin: -From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Originally Posted by descartes View Post
    Anyone use a product called activate with stinging nettle root exract ?

    How have you experienced the root or the product in terms of increasing lean mass ?




    "Nettle root extracts have been extensively studied in human clinical trials as a treatment for symptoms of benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH). These extracts have been shown to help relieve symptoms compared to placebo both by themselves and when combined with other herbal medicines.[4]

    Because it contains 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran, certain extracts of the nettle are used by bodybuilders in an effort to increase free testosterone by occupying sex-hormone binding globulin: -From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    First of all, the product has been out for quite some time so the chances that someone's used are VERY VERY GOOD (why do people insist on starting out a thread with that question on products that have been out for awhile)!!!!!! Now, if you would "SEARCH" you would know that and any other info you want on it cuz there are a ****LOAD of logs.
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    Do a search, it's one of the most talked-about supplements around.

    That said, yes it works, it works quite well, I've used it a lot, and it's one of my favorite supplements.
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    Designer Supplements ActivaTe contains divanil. Try searching logs about it. There's alot
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    Originally Posted by descartes View Post
    Anyone use a product called activate with stinging nettle root exract ?

    How have you experienced the root or the product in terms of increasing lean mass ?




    "Nettle root extracts have been extensively studied in human clinical trials as a treatment for symptoms of benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH). These extracts have been shown to help relieve symptoms compared to placebo both by themselves and when combined with other herbal medicines.[4]

    Because it contains 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran, certain extracts of the nettle are used by bodybuilders in an effort to increase free testosterone by occupying sex-hormone binding globulin: -From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    You can search for the original ActivaTe logs, but I do have the logs and write-up for the new ActivaTe Xtreme so you may check them out.


    ActivaTe Xtreme Logs

    To Buy: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/activatex.html

    The Write-up: http://www.designersupps.com/product.../activatex.pdf

    FAQ: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ctivate+xtreme

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    Originally Posted by Naven View Post
    Do a search, it's one of the most talked-about supplements around.

    That said, yes it works, it works quite well, I've used it a lot, and it's one of my favorite supplements.
    ok, thanks for the links

    Im curious why people do not just simply buy plain old stinging nettle root which is less expensive than activate and contains divanil?

    Its probably a similar question as to why buy Luekic when you can just get bulk Luecine for cheaper
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    Originally Posted by descartes View Post
    ok, thanks for the links

    Im curious why people do not just simply buy plain old stinging nettle root which is less expensive than activate and contains divanil?
    There's a reason why I posted the FAQ along with write-up and logs.


    Q. Can't we just get this effect cheap from generic stinging nettle root extract products?

    A. As much as you would like that, no. While generic stinging nettle products contain all lignans found in the root, Divanil is standardized to 95% 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran. It is this lignan that shows the highest affinity for sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and what was responsible for the obvious beneficial effects of the original ActivaTe. Generic products also tend to have the typical 10% standardization, so to get one month's worth of the product at the dosing equivalent to the recommended dosing of Divanil would require multiple bottles and likely not have the same effect in the event of other lignans in the root antagonizing the effect of Divanil.
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Madevilz
    any sales on the original activate coming?
    seems silly that it is more expensive than the ATX lol

    Cheapest I've seen it is 29.99, but haven't really searched for the best prices on the original ActivaTe.


    I must say 40 yard , you are a chap who knows a lot about this product . I live in South Africa , do you know of any generic or even reps who sell it here?

    Also, has there been any peer reviewed journal articles on the efficacy and long term safety of " Divanil " in the potency form you describe

    I would be interested in any effect on body composition in skeletal muscle

    Thanks

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Madevilz
    any sales on the original activate coming?
    seems silly that it is more expensive than the ATX lol

    Cheapest I've seen it is 29.99, but haven't really searched for the best prices on the original ActivaTe.


    I must say 40 yard , you are a chap who knows a lot about this product . I live in South Africa , do you know of any generic form of the product or even reps who sell original ActivaTe here?

    I would be interested in trying original ActivaTe

    Also, has there been any peer reviewed journal articles on the efficacy and long term safety of " Divanil " in the potency form you describe

    I would be interested in any effect on body composition in skeletal muscle

    Thanks

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    Originally Posted by descartes View Post
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Madevilz
    any sales on the original activate coming?
    seems silly that it is more expensive than the ATX lol

    Cheapest I've seen it is 29.99, but haven't really searched for the best prices on the original ActivaTe.


    I must say 40 yard , you are a chap who knows a lot about this product . I live in South Africa , do you know of any generic or even reps who sell it here?

    Also, has there been any peer reviewed journal articles on the efficacy and long term safety of " Divanil " in the potency form you describe

    I would be interested in any effect on body composition in skeletal muscle

    Thanks

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    Sure, just go to any peer reviewed journal's search engine and type stinging nettle root.
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    Originally Posted by 40-Yard Dash_2 View Post
    Sure, just go to any peer reviewed journal's search engine and type stinging nettle root.
    I did a search on scholar and only found some evidence for reduction of benign prostate hypertrophy . I am not aware of any good evidence that stinging nettle root causes any effect on body composition like creatine .

    Please provide some peer reviewed articles

    Thanks



    "Conclusion: The combination of 25mg Pygeum africanum and 300mg stinging nettle ex-
    tracts produced clinical and urodynamic effects similar to placebo in a group of HBP patients.
    Key words: prostate; prostatic hyperplasia; phytotherapy; Pygeum africanum
    Int Braz J Urol. 2002; 28: 418-25"
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    There are none done on body comp. Releasing activate was a theory based on the evidence that 3,4-Divanil has a high binding affinity for SHBG. It paid off.
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    Analysis paralysis.
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    Originally Posted by newequation View Post
    Analysis paralysis.
    Ahhhh hello my friend



    Analysis paralysis indeed
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    Originally Posted by newequation View Post
    Analysis paralysis.
    No. It was a smart theory that was tested in house quite extensively before the product was released. A lot of companies have followed suit by using Divanil in their products.
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    Originally Posted by 40-Yard Dash_2 View Post
    There's a reason why I posted the FAQ along with write-up and logs.


    Q. Can't we just get this effect cheap from generic stinging nettle root extract products?

    A. As much as you would like that, no. While generic stinging nettle products contain all lignans found in the root, Divanil is standardized to 95% 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran. It is this lignan that shows the highest affinity for sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and what was responsible for the obvious beneficial effects of the original ActivaTe. Generic products also tend to have the typical 10% standardization, so to get one month's worth of the product at the dosing equivalent to the recommended dosing of Divanil would require multiple bottles and likely not have the same effect in the event of other lignans in the root antagonizing the effect of Divanil.

    ok, i have gone ahead and ordered some activate extreme

    I noticed that logs are quite long and complicated, is there any threads with guys saying things like ," wow- I gained 5kg in 2 weeks from it"

    You know, simply stated results and not detailed exercise logs etc ...

    by the way, you have a vested interest in the product?
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    Originally Posted by descartes View Post
    ok, i have gone ahead and ordered some activate extreme

    I noticed that logs are quite long and complicated, is there any threads with guys saying things like ," wow- I gained 5kg in 2 weeks from it"

    You know, simply stated results and not detailed exercise logs etc ...

    by the way, you have a vested interest in the product?
    Art is part of DS, yeah.

    We have a bunch of logs ongoing at the minute, and we're going to ask all loggers to fill out a standard form at the end so we can summarize a lot easier for those who don't wish to read the logs from start to end.

    Once they're filled out, we'll make a summary thread for everyone to read.
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