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Old 01-17-2003, 06:27 PM   #211
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Once a week injections are obviously a lot more comfortable for the user, but for stable blood levels you unfortunately need to inject more frequently - which was the original question. I'm not implying that one should do ED injections on everything, though - just that staying within a drugs half-life should go a long way towards improving levels.
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What i'm implying is that there are other factors to maximal growth besides the most stable blood level ...

The stability of less frequent injection only appears less stable because the higher peaks and drops. closer examination will show that the drops are actually as high of higher than most peaks in a more frequent injection pattern, due to the much lower content of each shot, especially so at the beginning of the cycle because there is no accumulation yet. So you would already have to run a longer cycle just to equalize the odds.

So what you are suggesting is to inject more frequently AND longer ? Think I'll stick to my plan.
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Just one little thing...you have no proof whatsoever that a higher peak (and subsequently rock bottom levels) would produce more results than constantly high levels.

I.e. 1x/week = peak 720mg, bottom 320mg
every 3rd day = peak 670mg, bottom 510mg

Time spent at high levels is longer with e3d than with 1x/week injections (4 days spent at lower than 500mg) - I don't see how that is more effective? Please explain this logic.

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Just one little thing...you have no proof whatsoever that a higher peak (and subsequently rock bottom levels) would produce more results than constantly high levels.

I.e. 1x/week = peak 720mg, bottom 320mg
every 3rd day = peak 670mg, bottom 510mg

Time spent at high levels is longer with e3d than with 1x/week injections (4 days spent at lower than 500mg) - I don't see how that is more effective? Please explain this logic.
Every three days, with the same substance would make the peak half as high given the dose cut. The bottom would be the same on the first week. Bottom after 6 days or bottom after 3 days for half the dose.
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I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here...it just doesn't make sense.

I'm not so concerned with the first week as I am with levels throughout the cycle. With 1x/week injections in a 12 week (84 days) cycle, you spend 48 days below 500mg. With e3d injections, you spend EVERY day ABOVE 500mg (given an easy frontload on day 1).

To each his own I guess, but this theory is not something I will embrace just because it is more comfortable.
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I want to make a higher mg/ml batch of test ethanate and EQ

if I made a 40/ml batch and used 16 grams of powder for each chemical that would yeield me a 400mg/ml batch correct.

I know you said that ti will be very thick, how do underground labs make it so that it's not thick?

http://www.basskilleronline.com/test_e_notacow.html

this link has some photo's aswell.


great post very informative.
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I want to make a higher mg/ml batch of test ethanate and EQ

if I made a 40/ml batch and used 16 grams of powder for each chemical that would yeield me a 400mg/ml batch correct.

I know you said that ti will be very thick, how do underground labs make it so that it's not thick?

http://www.basskilleronline.com/test_e_notacow.html

this link has some photo's aswell.


great post very informative.
They just throw a lot more BA or BB in....if it's BA they use the shots hurt like a mofo.....
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where do I find BB
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Does it matter whether one orders

Boldenone
Boldenone BP98
Boldenone Undecylenate 94-107%

Also does it matter if you use (for the recipe at the start of this thread):

Testosterone Cypionate BP98/USP24
Testosterone Cypionate USP24
Testosterone Decanoate BP98
Testosterone Decanoate BP98/USP24
Testosterone Enanthate USP24
Testosterone Enanthate USP24/BP98

etc? What do these numbers at the end mean anyway.

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Why fill the vial with water? Just fill up a 20ml syringe.
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There is none, by heating the oil and adding benzyl alcohol you get a double whammy. gear is completely sterile and unlike IP or TT bathtub gear, you know exactly how much you get, since you made it.
wow ,what about pump n pose oil they selling $100 to $200 someone toll is't my of a oil that cost only 2 bucks and sell it it for 200 bucks ,i try make it but only have oil carbon oil you can also put this oil in your protein and have no sticky reminds
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I have been having a bottle of raw unmixed boldenon(5g) sitting in a drawer for one year and 8 months. Is it still ok to use? I have not even touched the bottle or anything.
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raw stanazolol

I am wondering if anyone knows the best way to take raw Winstrol (stanazolol) powder. I recently ordered some and have been so far, just eating the stuff raw, gulp down some water with it. Is this o.k.? I am currently living in China and found the awesome hookup for raw powder, dirt cheap, 500 YUAN for 50 grams....That is about 60.00 U.S. for 50 Grams....

Hope it is real though.....does raw winstrol powder have any characteristics I should know, such as texture, taste, solubility? I appreciate any replies....
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research this before useing it...

Heres some really good advice.You need to know exactly what you gulping down before you gulp it.Set up yourself a good cycle that you can do correctly and know what your doing.if used incorrectly steroids are dangerious and a waste of time and money.taken correctly are beneficial .good luck...Billy
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Good advice

Thanks for the reply and good advice....I found that the raw winstrol powder is the real stuff...I've been on it for exactly 8 days now and I am feeling it....but I feel really weird, almost high in a way. I've been bodybuilding for over three years, but this is my first steroid experience. I wasn't expecting the stuff to be psychoactive, but I feel sort of high all the time, don't really like the feeling too much. I've gotten stronger already, but my knuckles and joints hurt. Will this go away after I quit taking the stuff? I plan on taking 50mg. a day for six weeks. Also, I have a dilemna. I want to stack the winny with something else. I can get any kind of anabolic sterioid here, but only raw powder and have been unable to find any HCG. I need some advice on what I can take that will not shut my testoserone down too much, something that I don't need post-cycle HCG therapy with. Any advice is much appreicated. Thanks...
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I've been a protagonist of ordering steroids in powder/oil for a while now. Problems with shipping amps and vials internationally make it near impossible to create good odds on it arriving without spending a fortune on the way of shipping. And the risks of using domestic sources make that an option I usually avoid as well. But many seem reluctant to go this way, because they feel they couldn't make their own injectable compounds. Yet this is quite easy.

What you need is either arachis or sesame oil, some benzyl alcohol, syringes and clean containers. Say you want to do a 10 week cycle of 500 mg per week test enanthate, so you order 5 grams of test enth powder. At 250 mg/ml that means 20 ml of gear. Take your syringe and fill your container with pure water, but keep track of the amount. When you have 20 ml in there, mark it. Empty the container. Calculate 3%, in this case 0.6 ml. Heat the oil to 100 degrees C or 212 degrees F. let it cool. Dump the powder in the container, then add oil to just below the 20 ml mark, Then use a syringe to add 0.6 ml of Benzyl alcohol and if its still below the 20 ml mark, add some more oil til you reach that mark. Shake it up real well, and voila : one cycle's worth of testosterone enanthate. Seem like a lot of trouble, but if you can guarantee delivery of the product its a much safer option than internationally shipping vials, or risk prosecution with domestic sources.
For my next cycle one of the components is going to be Test Enanthate for 10 weeks at 500mg/week. So I plan to follow these instructions to make it. however I have one question:

Would you recommend I add BB as well as the BA, because the BA is water soluble and will most likely wash out once mixed with blood. That would make the depot to NOT have enough solvent to support the Hormone, causing it to crash and hurt.

Where BB is not water soluble, and is a solvent. It would make sure it doesnt crash and thin it out.

What do you recommend, and what percentage should I put in? maybe 15%-20% BB and the recommended 3% BA??

Edit: I dont know if this will be responded to in this thread, so perhaps I will make a post in the Steroid Forum in a day or two.
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Great information...

I have one question though...Will this technique work for Winstrol? I have read somewhere that Winstrol Depot is always in water, not oil so I wonder if this will work. Is Winstrol oil soluble? Are there any advantages of injecting Winstrol as opposed to taking it orally?
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Angry Stanozolol recipe

Help... Any knows the the recipe for Stanozolol powder.

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making sustanon 250

can anyone help me i.e got 20grams of the 4 the testosterone and not sure how to make it. i keep getting my sums wrong.if i have 20grams of each how much would i be able to make. thank for yr help
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big cat would this work to make anadol?
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